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Re: RFI - Sources for statistics on accuracy/speed dispairity between one and two handed shooting

Dorsai ·
Having done both in classes, two handed with a WML was at least 200% better. If you do a lot of practice with the handheld light, you can cut that down a bit. If you're using a Harris type grip and indexing back of hand to back of hand, there are still misalignment issues, i.e. your sights and light aren't aligned and you have to grease them in. That's where a lot of practice comes in to play. Reacquiring your sights and light alignment after shooting is still slower than the WML. I have...
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Re: RFI - Sources for statistics on accuracy/speed dispairity between one and two handed shooting

SFF ·
Might be more effective to: -use a OIS from your agency or nearby as a template course of fire -have folks from you agency representing a cross section of ability levels shoot for time and score using the template course of fire that you developed in the following conditions: daytime 2 handed and 1 handed, lowlight with different flashlight techniques. I would throw in some threat discrimination tasks and maybe a stoppage or force a slide lock reload in there as well. Video the performance...
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Boots5271 ·
I don't have any stats but it would seem quite obvious that given your parameters (low enough light to need illumination to identify threat and starting with a holstered weapon) that one handed with a seperate flash light would be much quicker and two handed with a weapong mounted light would be more accurate and quicker for follow up shots. So the "whats best?" answer would be highly subjective based off distance, type of call, number of advisaries, actual light level, back up etc.
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RFI - Sources for statistics on accuracy/speed dispairity between one and two handed shooting

SolidCopper ·
Mods, please move this post if I've chosen the wrong sub. Gents, I am looking for actual statistical data relating to the difference in an individual's handgun shooting performance (draw speed/accuracy) when shooting one handed vs. shooting two handed. The specific context is in the use of a weapon mounted flashlight vs a handheld flashlight and pistol. As a firearms instructor, it would never occur to me, either based on my training or on my experience, that a persons using only one hand to...
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Re: RFI - Sources for statistics on accuracy/speed dispairity between one and two handed shooting

jnc36rcpd ·
Not a naysayer as I wrote the paperwork that got WML's approved by my agency some years ago, but the devil is in the details (and this was a concern I had back in the day). Unless we want people clearing buildings after alarm activations or backyards after prowler calls with pistols aimed wherever they look, cops are going to have to search with handheld lights. What is your doctrine when the devil jumps up on one of these "routine calls"?One-handed shooting with handheld? Harries or another...
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Re: RFI - Sources for statistics on accuracy/speed dispairity between one and two handed shooting

Boots5271 ·
Exactly, you also have to factor in the manipulation to turn the light on. Draw, turn light on, get 2 handed grip is slower than draw one handed and fire. If you are at bad breath distance speed is more important than 1 inch accuracy.
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Re: RFI - Sources for statistics on accuracy/speed dispairity between one and two handed shooting

SolidCopper ·
The practical data collection idea being considered. The inclusion of the reload is a great idea. It seems a bit silly to propose that one handed shooting with a handheld light is ever superior to the alternative. Perhaps the lack of a "study" should indicate that there is no question of the superiority of a WML in this context. As a matter of policy, we would require all officers to carry a hand held flashlight for illumination purposes when a drawn weapon is inappropriate/dangerous.
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Re: RFI - Sources for statistics on accuracy/speed dispairity between one and two handed shooting

XTCBX ·
Add in a reload...it sucks with a flashlight in your hand.
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Re: RFI - Sources for statistics on accuracy/speed dispairity between one and two handed shooting

Blackjack78 ·
I will get you the number for the NYPD range. Ask them about SOP 9. Keep in mind that the ordinary troops don't have weapons mounted lights. I have a few shootings in my time, albeit with revolvers, but in each case it was one handed as the other hand was busy doing something else. It would be nice to have two hands on the gun but sometimes conditions have a say. That said, NO, I'm not advocating one hand over two.
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Blackjack78 ·
This is the latest report that I'm aware of http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/d...arge_report_2011.pdf
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Re: RFI - Sources for statistics on accuracy/speed dispairity between one and two handed shooting

Tom Givens ·
This is not a "study", but some measured performance. I wrote this for the IALEFI magazine a few years ago. One Hand or Two? Instinct or Conditioning? by Tom Givens In a recent gun magazine there was an article proposing that drawing a handgun to a one handed shooting position was “instinctive”, and therefore we should be training students to do so as a default technique. Ordinarily, I resist the temptation to respond to this type of article, but this one really irked me. First, I checked my...
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Re: RFI - Sources for statistics on accuracy/speed dispairity between one and two handed shooting

rcbusmc24 ·
I was coming in here to recommend contacting Tom Givens as I figured he would have info related to this topic simply to find out he was already in here. Thanks Tom and yet another example of lightfighter reach.
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Re: RFI - Sources for statistics on accuracy/speed dispairity between one and two handed shooting

LobsterClaw207 ·
Do you guys have flashlights that are easily drawn at speed? A seemingly rarely considered portion of the use of a handheld light with the pistol is how to get it out, or put it away, with any sort of speed. Of course holders like the polymer Surefire one are going to be faster than a leather pouch or strap or whatever.
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Longeye ·
Lobster- I carry a Surefire Lawman R1 in a HSGI Subgun Taco at 7 o'clock beltline. I carry a Surefire EAG Fury in a BFG TenSpeed pistol pouch at 2 o'clock on the cummberbund of my LPAAC- patrol and another same location on my JPC-callout. Ideally, the handhelds would be just aft of my pistol mags on belt line, but... real estate is a reality. That is in addition to the X300U on my pistol and the M600P on my 12.5" carbine. All handheld lights are easily and quickly accessed. Because of the...
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