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New Army Weapons Lube to replace CLP

tankersteve ·
http://kitup.military.com/2016...es-machine-guns.html Army Touts Improved Lube for Rifles, Machine Guns FEBRUARY 23, 2016 The U.S. Army is touting a new and improved lubricant for small arms ranging from the standard M4 carbine to the M240 machine gun, officials said. Unlike the conventional “wet lubricant” known as CLP (for cleaner, lubricant and preservative), the new product uses a dry surface treatment known as durable solid lubricant, or DSL, according to a press release on Tuesday from...
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Jberry ·
According to the article it sounds like it is a coating. Since it is applied during the making of the BCG it should replace phosphate. I doubt it will replace CLP though. Slip 2000 does that already XD
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MAC19D ·
I will predict that this is stupid and will turn out to be worse, rather than an improvement. I can see this being promoted as the magic cure, and weapons maintenance will fail, 'cause they got that DSL shit on there, see. A clean weapon, per most uneducated military knuckleheads, is a dry weapon, and we know how that works. It chokes, and said knucklehead rants and foams at the mouth because it was "dirty". Never mind that it was drier than Hillary. This is not hard. After all this time,...
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1SG DB ·
The Army couldn't really come up with a better acronym than DSL? "Yeah, those DSLs can take the chrome off a trailer hitch, or a firing pin" "Grab the donkey dick, the elephant jizz and some DSL's before we roll out on patrol" "No, no really...I was talking about the gun lube"
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M. Wilson ·
Mac679 posted: I have literally seen a basic training private turn a bolt silver because he was told to make it as shiny as his firing pin by his drill sergeant.... I don't think this coating will fair any better against an overly motivated and undereducated private. Education would be a simpler and much better solution, not to mention cheaper. Nope. Evidently "common sense" coupled with education is simply too expensive. It costs jobs, lays waste to Fiefdoms, bureaucracies, needless...
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Jberry ·
So here's my question. Do we need a new surface coating for the BCG and is phosphate a good enough coating for a BCG? Would something like ionbond, nib, nickel Teflon, this new DSL coating, etc not only last longer but improve reliability? Or is it all snake oil.
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Arkady ·
My engineer buddies are speculating that the coating is Diamond-Like Carbon. DLC is already used for coating endmills and drill bits, as well as some higher-end razors (according to the link). Has anyone here had experience with using DLC coating tooling in an industrial capacity?
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ElbowsNC ·
At the risk of mentioning him, a few years ago Gabe Suarez was using DLC on...something? I recall the forum post, but I don't remember if it was a Glock finish, a rifle finish, a mag finish. I don't think I've heard of it since.
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R.Moran ·
M. Wilson posted: Mac679 posted: I have literally seen a basic training private turn a bolt silver because he was told to make it as shiny as his firing pin by his drill sergeant.... I don't think this coating will fair any better against an overly motivated and undereducated private. Education would be a simpler and much better solution, not to mention cheaper. Nope. Evidently "common sense" coupled with education is simply too expensive. It costs jobs, lays waste to Fiefdoms,...
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Mac679 ·
R. Moran, this wasn't my basic training. I was cadre and the DS who gave the instructions to do so, should have known better since we were classmates in the armorer's course. Perpetuating the cycle. I don't think anyone here is knocking improving finishes, rather that the Army will treat this as a stand alone to lubrication and as some sort of end all be all. I bring up the private as an illustration of how overly optimistic they're being with this coating eliminating parts wear.
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hunteran ·
M. Wilson posted: Mac679 posted: I have literally seen a basic training private turn a bolt silver because he was told to make it as shiny as his firing pin by his drill sergeant.... I don't think this coating will fair any better against an overly motivated and undereducated private. Education would be a simpler and much better solution, not to mention cheaper. Nope. Evidently "common sense" coupled with education is simply too expensive. It costs jobs, lays waste to Fiefdoms,...
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R.Moran ·
There has been a move in the US Army to get away from that shit for a long time. There was a PM Monthly out in the mid 90s...I was stationed in HI at the time, it stated that the 3 day cleaning regimen and white glove inspection was excessive, unneeded and detrimental to the weapon. It should be cleaned once in accordance with the operators manual, which is very minimal/basic, and thats it. When I brought this to my 1SG...his response was..."I don't care, we are gonna do it the same way...
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SPDSNYPR ·
I don't think I'm resistant to advancement as much as I am just plain skeptical about the need for lube to go away as is claimed in the article. It seems like I've heard that claim more than once, and I have yet to see people going away from traditional lubes. No argument that there are just plain ignorant dicks in the military - hell, I was one of them. But I don't see this as a replacement for CLP (or did I miss that in the article?), and I think it is awful fucking healthy to mistrust...
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Jberry ·
From what I can find apparently NASA has an interest in this coating https://www.google.com/url?sa=...qWMEI9IhHipT863Kr4RA Here is an article about durable solid lubricant research from 2007 by NASA.
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Consigliere ·
Not that I know much but the one thing that jumped out at me was using a steel brush to clean parts. I would never do that. Copper, nylon but not steel. Maybe that's just me.
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Mac679 ·
So does this mean history repeats itself and we'll be getting told that the new latest and greatest rifle is self cleaning and doesn't need lube......
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tankersteve ·
Mac, I thought about that too. If they don't get the education piece right on this (to include the cleaning schedule and WHICH WEAPONS this pertains to, as it is applied during production), we will go down that exact road again. And Counselor, yeah, that steel brush is to take off the annoying finish that is still on there... Tankersteve
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Linz ·
"...2003, when engineers realized soldiers were experiencing problems with weapon stoppages in sand and dust environments..." Took them long enough.
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Post Car ·
So is it a grease?
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SPDSNYPR ·
". . . .You can use a steel brush to knock off any residue, and you don’t even have to worry about reapplying anything.” Oh, no. Please - stop it. How many people have claimed this so far? I'm sorry - but I've seen VERY RECENTLY some army guys squirt lube with a squirt bottle just on the outside of the BCG through the ejection port. I didn't say anything, but they didn't seem interested in getting the lube where it needed to be. That's what needs to be fixed. Not apply a dry lube and tell...
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.22lr ·
April 1st already? Huh, time flies...
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Bones357 ·
"Soldiers also have to regularly clean off carbon residue that builds up from firing..." Depends on your lube. Just ask Filthy 14.
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dan187 ·
If they would just develop a Phased Plasma Rifle, in the 40 watt range, then we wouldn't have to worry about carbon fouling in the first place.
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Mac679 ·
I have literally seen a basic training private turn a bolt silver because he was told to make it as shiny as his firing pin by his drill sergeant.... I don't think this coating will fair any better against an overly motivated and undereducated private. Education would be a simpler and much better solution, not to mention cheaper.
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Dux ·
This was always my favorite instruction booklet on operation and preventive maintenance for the M16A1 Rifle. Page 4, step 4 and 7 apply here. They should simply update it.
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Halfneck ·
Mac679 posted: I have literally seen a basic training private turn a bolt silver because he was told to make it as shiny as his firing pin by his drill sergeant.... I don't think this coating will fair any better against an overly motivated and undereducated private. Education would be a simpler and much better solution, not to mention cheaper. Guy in my basic training company thought he'd be high speed and used Brasso & some other cleaning goop to shine up his M16 A2. Took the finish...
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Whootsinator ·
SPDSNYPR posted: I'm sorry - but I've seen VERY RECENTLY some army guys squirt lube with a squirt bottle just on the outside of the BCG through the ejection port. I didn't say anything, but they didn't seem interested in getting the lube where it needed to be. That's what needs to be fixed. Not apply a dry lube and tell people they don't need to reapply anything. This seems like a recipe for disaster. If they were applying it directly to the BCG that's a step forward for some. At most of our...
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Re: ACH with peltors on an arc rail?

Cmar ·
No, it won't work. I feel ya on the Bradley life though. The ARC/Peltor set up only works for helmets of a 'high ear cut' such as opscore, team Wendy, Mtek. Unless something has changed, that's what I know to the best of my ability. solutions: 1) I run peltor's under my ACH. It's pretty comfortable for me, I just removed the center pad and run the head band through there. Awesome in the winter, sucks in the summer. 2) peltor I believe has a behind the neck band, instead of the over the head...
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ACH with peltors on an arc rail?

The Steve ·
I'm an army infantrymen so the ach is nonnegotiable. Bradleys are loud and if any of yall can help me mount some muffs to my dome id appreciate ya.
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Boston Mick ·
I also run the peltors under my lid (USMC issued LWH that I, ahem, acquired/found/picked up when I was on AD). I run a large LWH when I'd normally wear a medium. This makes it a bit easier and more comfortable with the peltors underneath. I use the thicker (3/4 in?) pads to make up the difference. I also ran a length of adhesive loop velcro along the top of my peltors head band. This interfaces with the velcro hook coins in the helmet to keep it all locked together well in conjuction with...
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MWL ·
I will preface this by saying that I have never even seen a Bradley except for photo's and video, so take this for what you paid for it. I run Sordins with the behind the neck band with my helmets. They are very comfortable, with a wide soft strap that goes over the head to hold them in place. It fits under the pads, and is thin enough that you don't even feel it. I chose it because I wanted ear pro that I could wear with, or without a helmet, and it is definitely more comfortable than the...
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MWL ·
68WhiskeyNCoke posted: You can buy ARC rails for an ACH, we had guys run em while deployed for that very reason. A quick google search should come up with something. It's not that you can't get ARC rails for an ACH, it's that you can't run ear pro from the rails like you can on a high cut helmet, so the OP needs an alternative solution. Regards. Mark
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Re: ACH with peltors on an arc rail?

68WhiskeyNCoke ·
You can buy ARC rails for an ACH, we had guys run em while deployed for that very reason. A quick google search should come up with something.
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Re: ACH with peltors on an arc rail?

NoRKaLKiLLa ·
Works with a MICH 2002 mid cut just fine. Most people won't even realize you have a different cut helmet once there's a cover on it.
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PlasticMag ·
Yep, Peltors and ARC Rails (or the Revision equivalent) work just fine with a 2002/mid-cut. I have a mid-cut helmet for that exact reason (for when I can't wear my OpsCore for work).
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Re: New Army/Marine initiative for improved plate carrier

jake0331 ·
So, I got to play around with these a while ago. It's a weird modularish system. It seemed like they were trying to make a flak that was scalable from plate carrier size to MTVish size. It was like a MOLLE over sleeve for the slim PC portion. It was weird how that worked. The outer sleeve didn't feel like it had extra protection in it and the people running the event didn't have a firm answer, though the consensus was that it didn't. I didn't personally see the purpose of the outer part...
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New Army/Marine initiative for improved plate carrier

tankersteve ·
https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/articles/new-marines-united-spinoff-drive-includes-image-of-an-unconscious-woman OK, first, ignore the full link wording - Defense News and their .mil Times website has this as the link to the article. My point is that the system being tested looks like it uses First Spear Tubes. Is it one of their PCs? After the Army mess with Multi-cam, I'd be very leery about partnering with DOD/Army if I was a vendor working in that realm. Tankersteve
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tankersteve ·
Jake, thanks for that, I think. After some conversations with LFers, my opinion on DoD acquisitions is pretty low right now. The Tubes thing is just another run of it. Although the idea of eliminating the quick-disconnect stuff is good - a PC is easy to remove because it is simple/minimalist. It is simple/minimalist to save weight. Yet let's add weight for a quick disconnect, thus making it not light or simple/minimalist...SMH. And the attempt to once again, do all things with one 'modular'...
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Re: New Army/Marine initiative for improved plate carrier

PlasticMag ·
Wrong link - they fixed it. https://www.marinecorpstimes.c...riers-and-body-armor
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