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RFI Gentex ANVIS NVG Bracket Kit

Countertop ·
I've searched through the forums and have found plenty of posts on ACH-ANVIS mounting, but I can't find any specific information on the Gentex ANVIS NVG Bracket Kit P/N C12036-2. The -2 is apparently used for the MICH/ACH, the higher ballistic rated CVC/TCH, and the SOHAH. They also list -3 & -4 kits for the lower ballistic rated and non-ballistic rated CVC helmets. How stable? Durable? Price? Needed modifications? Thanks. **Attempted edit to add photo, didn't work, go to...
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krax ·
So you're usually wearing a flight helmet with ANVIS goggles, but want to switch to a ballistic helmet in the event you end up on the ground for longer than usual and you're alread issued an ACH? You could use the Adams Industries surface mount or the Wilcox L4 G02. I like the G02. It lets you use a C123 battery in the mount so it would be a faster switch between your flight helmet and ACH.
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krax ·
I have to ask why. There's some extremely good options from Adams Industries and Wilcox for mounting ANVIS goggles so why scour the internet for the Gentex mount?
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geronimo ·
I've seen them around but never met anyone who would use them due to the need to drill a bunch of extra holes int he helmet. There are far better options to include just drilling a single hole int he plastic backing plate and using velcro between it and the helmet.
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krax ·
The boss wants you to wear ground pounder stuff in the aircraft? Could be good or bad I suppose.
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Countertop ·
Yeah, it's sounding like the CO may want the medics to wear this stuff all the time (on/off aircraft) and the crew chiefs may wear it as well, so we're trying to stick to the mounts that retain the low-voltage indicator light so we remain as close as possible to the issued ANVIS mount. The L4 G02 looked good, but the description states you have to swap a piece on the goggle ball interface to change it to a "force to overcome" movement to stow, and it retains the push-button release to put in...
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Re: RFI Gentex ANVIS NVG Bracket Kit

Countertop ·
My unit is looking into SHTF situations where we have to PL or end up crashing in bad guy land and are looking for a ballistic option that will still mount our ANVIS. There is also the possibility of wearing these while flying (getting approval for that part isn't my problem). I need options ranging from optimum to as cheap as possible. This is down on the cheap end. I know you can just drill a hole and velcro, but the mounting angle on a ballistic helmet is less than on a HGU and from what...
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Re: RFI Gentex ANVIS NVG Bracket Kit

awset7 ·
There are a few cheap and dependable options out there. I've used a few different ones and I think I may have a solution for you, I just need to find it and I'll post a pic and a link to where to get them. As far as flying with an ACH instead of an HGU-56, thats a silly idea. Theres good reason for using a HGU in a helicopter versus an ACH. I always take my ACH with me though and it is attached to my go bag. Once the aircraft is on the ground in a PL situation, I will dump my HGU and don my...
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Re: RFI Gentex ANVIS NVG Bracket Kit

krax ·
AWSET7, I'm digging your profile pic. I'm way out of my depth with regard to air crew safety/life suppport. As far as flight medics wearing ACH in flight, I can't help but compare it to PJ's doing MEDEVAC flights in assaulter-ish kit. What are the risks involved with wearing ground-oriented stuff vs AIRSAVE and flight helmets?
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geronimo ·
I've been wearing ANVIS on ballistic helmets for about 25 years now. The simplest solution is what I posted above. The next simplest solution is tearing apart a rhino mount and attaching the backplate to your ANVIS mount. This gives you a quick release capability. You will not run out of adjustment if you have legit ANVIS goggles on a MICH helmet. The only problems I have had even close to this was recently with PVS-23's on an ops core helmet. Those goggles lasted one day before I broke the...
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Re: RFI Gentex ANVIS NVG Bracket Kit

Countertop ·
AWSET7, I hear what you're saying on the ACH-during-flight topic. I came at this from your perspective but other people want to look into wearing it all the time. I still set up my equipment and think about situations with a bias towards ground ops so I'm indifferent to the HGU vs ACH as I can see both sides. I don't see much gain to wearing it routinely as the HGU was designed for impact protection and I'd put a higher probability of smashing my head during a crash sequence vs. getting shot...
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Re: RFI Gentex ANVIS NVG Bracket Kit

Countertop ·
Yeah, we'll see. I think that routine wear during flight probably won't happen. This started out as a couple of the medics (all of us former ground guys, most with deployments as such) gaming out scenarios and trying to find a cheap way to mount ANVIS on issued ACH via personal purchase. It has since grown (with commander support) into using unit funds, so we figured why not come up with at least 3 different options price-wise and see what we can get. The idea for routine wear came from...
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krax ·
So if I'm reading that right, the two key issues are impact protection in the event of a crash and headborne weight.
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Countertop ·
Geronimo, thanks for the input and advice. Your experiences validate many of my opinions. Is there any chance you could post up pictures of how you've set up some of your helmets over the years? I'm definitely going to try the homebrew methods and I've found a couple different kinds of commercial adapter plates for attaching the rhino QD plate to the issued mount, but if I'm understanding you correctly you can just directly attach the QD plate to the ANVIS mount itself and everything will...
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Re: RFI Gentex ANVIS NVG Bracket Kit

YO_Doc ·
I have a Adams mount that I run on an Ops-Core and it is very solid. The Adams mount does require that you push the release button to raise or lower the goggles, so that is slightly different than the standard ANVIS mount on my HGU-56 where the goggles will push up after a bit of resistance. With the Adams ANVIS mount the goggles will still release from the mount when I turn them into something and will still eject with the same force levels during a hard landing. I think that they make a...
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NVG Counter-weight help

Brock01 ·
So I haven't had any luck searching the forums. The last time I saw this discussed was 2011. For those that use helmets and NODs, what (if any) kind of counter weights are you using? Does a ballistic vs. Bump helmet make a big difference here? I see explosive ops gear mentioned a lot, but I have my concerns. If rather stick something of useful weight back there (strobe, batteries) than just lead weights. OSOE makes something close to what I want. However, I'd rather not. Will be going on an...
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Longeye ·
I run single PVS 14 on a Gentex High cut helmet. I have not felt the need for a counter weight. If I ever do, I will follow the Book of Pat, chapter 5.56, verse 14. Pat used to carry a handful of 5.56 rounds in a BFG boo boo pouch on the back of his helmet, IIRC. I don't remember if it was shoe goo'd on or if he cut Molle slots with a hot knife or if he had Velcro sewed to the back of the pouch. Seems like the thinking points were: -Why add weight to the helmet? -If you have dual tubes,...
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shoobe01 ·
First, this was discussed just a few weeks ago: http://www.lightfighter.net/to...35#45361960844059135 To this topic, the TL;DR is: Don't add more weight to your helmet if you want to keep doing this for a long time, or your spine will get back at you every morning before you go to the job selling used cars. I have used PVS-5, PVS-7, and several monoculars. No: not as a professional, but all damned night in the woods for days or a week at a time, driving, etc. I have never run a...
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runningwolf ·
I use a counterweight on both my issue ACH and my MTEK. It is a old BDU shirt cut up and sewn into a pouch with velcro on the back, I keep batteries for my NODs and laser in it. It holds just enough weight to keep things mostly balanced, the chin strap and liner do the rest. I've found on the ACH (why are we still using this antique? We should have upgraded force wide, or at least in the combat MOS's, over a decade ago) that even with the TW pad and Ops-Core H-nape, I needed a little weight...
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Gara ·
CW makes a difference with PVS15s (dual tube) but it's not really necessary with 14s. I went down this road and tried 14+CW but took it off. I linked what I use below. I can mail you a 12oz if you want to test it out - I know that $15 price tag is pretty steep... As always, it's your body/gear and YMMV. http://thehangar.com/aviation-...counter-weights.html
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Brock01 ·
So some love counter weights, some hate. Still good info.
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FastSS ·
Just to get it out of the way - I'm a civilian and I use these devices 'recreationally'. I use them for work, but my work isn't 'work' if that makes sense. I don't run with it, I don't fight with it, and the longest I've had the whole package on my head is no more than 4-6 hours. My neck doesn't mind weight (unless something goes wrong, but that is pretty normal). What it minds is unbalanced weight, especially wobbly unbalanced weight. Using a ballistic helmet as a base gave me a fairly...
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geronimo ·
If you think putting a counterweight on a helmet is a good idea because you'd just be carrying that weight elsewhere, your thinking is flawed. Would you tape extra ammo or batteries to your boot just because it makes it easier to kick someone harder? As a whole, the military has gotten much smarter about lightening boots because we recognize that big clunky boots suck to walk in and cause all kinds pf problems. When's the last time you saw an entire formation of people wearing those old...
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Brock01 ·
Geronimo, So you find it better to just not run any counter weight I take it?
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Moustache_6 ·
I've spent a LOT of time using NOD's over the years. I've used them on skullcrushers, the PASGT K-pot, MICH TC-2000, MICHTC-2002, Ops-Core Fast, and PT Alpha helmet. Almost forgot but, I've even used an airsoft "Ops-Core bump" knockoff that I put a First Spear fast cover on so it would pass visual inspection and look like I was wearing an issued fast helmet . Never needed, wanted, or wished for any form of counter weight with PVS-7's, PVS-14's, PVS-15's, etc.. on any armored or non-armored...
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Consigliere ·
Fast SS. I have no need for a helmet of any sort let alone a ballistic one. Besides, the one I did have made me look like a tard. The Crye Nightcap is the answer. My head is a massive orb with its own gravitational pull. If a Nightcap doesn't fit you, you need to find a circus to join or a parade to be a float in.
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geronimo ·
Yes. If you read some of the many other threads on here about counterweights you'll see more of the arguments I've typed up against them. I'm probably one of the biggest anti-counterweight dudes still around here but there were a bunch of us in the past. Any dead weight slinging around on your body is bad over time. I'm an advocate of removing every ounce of load you can from all areas but the loads on extremities are the first priority. If you can get lighter boots, gloves, helmets, etc do...
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Brock01 ·
I will likely wear it most in training and on a plane then I will for actual work. The easiest way to say it, is I do security for guys that build tents, while helping out myself.
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Gara ·
Nightcap is great if you want something small to stuff in your pocket and/or when you don't want to screw with the weight and bulkof a helmet. I stuff mine in my PVS14 bag and take it camping. It is independent of helmets - think of it as a mesh baseball cap with a chinstrap and no bill. I think you're getting too far into the weeds on whether you should use a CW or not. If you need it, use it. If you don't, don't.
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bjw182005 ·
FAST Team?
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geronimo ·
I have only run a monocular setup a handful of times over the course of my military or civilian use. I used to carry a PVS-14 or a MUM-14, to use handheld for E&E purposes, years ago but that's about it. All of my real goggle time is on dual tubes both military, civilian and personal. No counterweights after the mid-90's when I got schooled. I recently had a chat with another forum member here who is also semi-famous on P&S. He runs a counter weight for SWAT stuff but his goggle use...
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bjw182005 ·
A counterweight, like anything else, has it's place and is useful on occasion. I have found them to be particularly helpful on short duration, direct action operations where you won't be wearing it for hours, or days on end. It can help balance out the weight of the NVG and aid in keeping it right where you want it without wrenching your head in a vice with your suspension system. With a PVS-14 set-up, it is likely not entirely necessary, as a good pad and suspension set-up can make a huge...
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Brock01 ·
Ehh. If someone with more experience than me, gives me a legitamite counterpoint I'm usually wiling to listen.
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Brock01 ·
Persistent aren't we? SF as well?
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no_avatar ·
I will be the contrarian - I cannot wear dual tubes without a weight bag. Fight and flight tactical makes cheap, durable and functional bags, and they come in varying weights. I've found the 14oz work best for anvis goggles with no battery pack. They are velcro backed so you can slap them on a helmet when needed and remove them when not running nods. https://www.fightandflight.com...aviation.html?cat=23
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Consigliere ·
The Nightcap is totally independent of a helmet. It is pretty ingenious in its design. The mesh has a Kevlar mounting plate pre-drilled for three or four screw mounts. I have a Wilcox set up holding my PVS14. Mine of course is just for fun. I did have it slightly customized to use an OSOE ballast that holds batteries and a strobe (not that I have anyone looking for me in the dark. Lol) because I felt the NVG was dipping slightly. But a quick adjustment fixed that.
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shoobe01 ·
I don't have a bump helmet, skipped the whole thing (sold my old CVC conversion) and go straight from Nightcap to ballistic shell. I have met maybe three people in my life who have a legit need for a bump helmet; everyone else would be better off with ballistic protection, or just needs a platform for mounting a NOD. I can even fit a boonie on top of the Nightcap, so can keep my head dry and spider-web free, so it's better than a vented bump helmet as far as the most likely things to be...
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Brock01 ·
The Nightcap seems to be independent of an actual helmet. Correct? Seems nice but if I'm in a situation outside of training where I am wearing NODs I'll likely have to wear a helmet. With that being said the Nightcap could be a great option for training time.
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Brock01 ·
So just to be clear, there are no exceptions to this? Such as a bino setup?
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Brock01 ·
Stanger danger! lol
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shoobe01 ·
I maybe have some other secondhand knowledge about battery box setup in the interest of making sure they are as well configured as possible, but dammit if I can find the firsthand version instead. I asked among the couple people I know who I thought wore these for a living, but they mostly had other setups and limited time with rear battery boxes, so my recollection is now just that and as much as it seems logical, may have been tainted by age: Don't over-weight the back. There are a couple...
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RedX ·
If you're a FAST guy, you're not typically on the ground for very long. Considering what the standard for a halftime is... if you're wearing NVGs, it's for short duration and then back to the bunk/hammock/red seat for you. Ditch the CW. I second the many opinions that say they are dumb/pointless. Keep extra trinkets off your helmet. There are enough snag hazards on an aircraft anyways... so stay slick. I'm sure the ground guys would love to find another strobe, pouch, or knife.. This is all...
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kaltesherz ·
I've been rocking the OSOE IR Strobe / Battery set up for a few years and love it. I fucked up my neck on active duty and when I went Nasty Girl I found wearing an ACH w/ NODs extremely painful at times. When I was looking at counterweights I decided I wanted something useful (batteries) and I already had a strobe back there. Since I've been using it my neck pain has been substantially better, and I usually don't even notice anymore. When I prep my NODs I throw on my 14's and the battery...
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TNVC Discount Codes

noshoutingallowed ·
Folks: I'm looking to purchase some goods from TNVC for this Black Friday/Cyber Monday season. Does anybody have a line on discount codes? I'm looking to pickup: TNV / PVS-14 L3 Gen 3 Unfilmed White Phosphor Tactical Augmented Pressure Switch (TAPS) I haven't decided on a white light solution yet, so any suggestions are welcome! If anybody has any feedback on the discount code or even have any experience on these platforms, I'd greatly appreciate it! V/R NSA
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