Tagged With "Plates"

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Can I fit large Plates into a S/M Mayflower APC?

Eagle46 ·
Gents- I've turned in my medium ESAPIs and now have a line on a pair of large LVL IV SAPI sized plates to back fill my now floppy PC. The question is, my PC is a medium Mayflower APC, which not surprisingly is made for small and medium plates. Does anyone know if you can fit large plates into this medium PC? Looking at my PC, my concern is at the plate shoulders - I have enough width and height/length to slide them in, but the APC slopes in at the top, possibly for swimmer's cut. I had a...
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Re: Can I fit large Plates into a S/M Mayflower APC?

Longeye ·
It has been a while since I had an APC, but I am pretty sure your S/M will not fit size large plates, especially if they are thick Level IV plates.
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Re: Can I fit large Plates into a S/M Mayflower APC?

lowlight ·
My larges were a tight fit, I also had to split the corners and add material for a square back plate.
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Re: Can I fit large Plates into a S/M Mayflower APC?

MrMurphy ·
How good of a deal is it?
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Greg M ·
I have a S/M APC which I've used with medium plates (USGI ESAPI) extensively. The mediums are pretty tight so I doubt you could fit large plates.
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Re: Can I fit large Plates into a S/M Mayflower APC?

Eagle46 ·
A decent deal but not enough to pay for a new PC. I actually had a lot of room with my medium ESAPIs, thus my question. I made an 1" thick cardboard template that fits width, and fits height overall, but I don't know where to cut the shoulders on my template so I don't know if it really will fit in there. Anyone have a plate they can trace, or give me the measurements at the top and sides of a large plate so I can locate the plate shoulders? If not, I'll just pass on these plates and order...
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Rifle Plates/Manufacturers/Distributors - What We Should Know Before Purchasing

HighwayMan93 ·
As you all know, Doc and other sources of knowledge on this subject have stressed that there are actually only a few manufactures of plates and there has been plenty discussion regarding various plate options and promotional offers when they are available. Many companies advertising the same or similar options in the level 3 and 3+ category appear to have prices outrageously marked up, and trying to compare plates from one companies to the next can be a nightmare. Specs for the same plates...
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Re: Rifle Plates/Manufacturers/Distributors - What We Should Know Before Purchasing

HighwayMan93 ·
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Re: RFI on a White in Color Concealable Plate Carrier and Lightweight Level III+ Plates.

FastSS ·
I wish the SKD LVBC came in white... Regarding plates: http://www.tyrtactical.com/pro...r-level-3-i-c-plate/ They're a touch over 4lbs, but they also stop things the SPPs won't while still being thin. ETA: I have 10x13s. They're 5.25lbs WITH backers. Forgot to get a weight WITHOUT backers. Oops. 0.70" at the thickest, 0.60" once you're far enough into the middle that the cover stops overlapping.
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Re: RFI on a White in Color Concealable Plate Carrier and Lightweight Level III+ Plates.

montgomerygentryFan ·
I'm looking to get a custom carrier to put into my outer vest carrier for work and will be hitting up Beez as well. Our department issues Second Chance vests that have two front pockets (standard 5"x8" and 7"x9"). I have the (Safariland) Protech IMPACT RT + 7"x9", but when inside the vest since I have one it's front heavy as hell. Ideally I'd like to use my armor hangar since my locker is kind of small but using steel conflicts with that. Talking with a few guys who went the Dyneema route...
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RFI on a White in Color Concealable Plate Carrier and Lightweight Level III+ Plates.

MOLON_LABE ·
I currently work as a Contracted Armed Security Professional for the U.S. Govt. I am issued a concealable Level IIIA vest that is white in color. The carrier has to be white in order to be worn on duty. Due to the cultural climate and general attitude towards uniformed persons carrying a gun and wearing a badge I have decided I would like to up armor myself with Level III +/Special Threat plates. My issued armor carrier cannot accommodate hard plates of any decent size, (it has the heart...
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Re: RFI on a White in Color Concealable Plate Carrier and Lightweight Level III+ Plates.

Sinister ·
Beez can handle the carrier. You'll probably want a polyethylene/Dyneema plate set.
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Re: RFI on a White in Color Concealable Plate Carrier and Lightweight Level III+ Plates.

SFF ·
Another vote for the Tyr HA 3/7 Plates. I have the 10x12 size. $340 each plate is the good guy price. IIRC, mine are 3.7 lbs and with the cordura cover, about 0.7" thick. Could you have a tailor modify your existing armor carrier to fit plates?
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Re: RFI on a White in Color Concealable Plate Carrier and Lightweight Level III+ Plates.

MOLON_LABE ·
I could, but then I would get charged for the cost of the vest at turn in time. How did you swing the $340 price point? Everything Im seeing is closer to $400 apeice before taxes and shipping.
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Re: RFI on a White in Color Concealable Plate Carrier and Lightweight Level III+ Plates.

MOLON_LABE ·
Im digging these, looks like the right thickness.
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Re: RFI on a White in Color Concealable Plate Carrier and Lightweight Level III+ Plates.

FastSS ·
They're easy to swallow at $500/ea - $340 is a steal. Considering what the HA3/7s have to offer, and they're worn with a backer anyway in your case, fuck the SPPs. Speed Plate Plus (10x12, 5.1lbs) rifle ratings: 5.56 M193 5.56 M855 7.62x39 MSC http://www.pointblankenterpris...16-product-sheet.pdf TYR HA3/7 (10x12, 3.62lbs) rifle ratings: 5.56 M193 5.56 M855 (and SS109) 5.45x39mm (I believe MSC) 7.62x51 M80 7.62x39 MSC http://www.tyrtactical.com/pro...r-level-3-i-c-plate/
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Re: RFI on a White in Color Concealable Plate Carrier and Lightweight Level III+ Plates.

SFF ·
$340 is the LEO price from Tyr. Could you buy an extra carrier and have that modified?
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Re: RFI on a White in Color Concealable Plate Carrier and Lightweight Level III+ Plates.

FastSS ·
Aren't you wearing 3A anyway? While not official, that should serve as a functionally acceptable backer for the Tyr plates. If you can do BALCS, I'd offer (or threaten) to do some things you wouldn't want anyone else to find out about to obtain one of SKD's LVBCs in white. I had a suit on so lots of layers and noise in front, but I think I could have had at least a front plate without anyone noticing. I try not to talk out of my ass too much, but they're stupidly comfortable and actually...
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Re: RFI on a White in Color Concealable Plate Carrier and Lightweight Level III+ Plates.

MOLON_LABE ·
I would prefer not to have to run backers in the interest of keeping things low profile. Beez can't do a solid white carrier. Going to wait until Tuesday to call Mayflower/Velocity Systems, SKD, First Spear, Chase Tactical, Blue Force Gear, Extreme Gear Labs, Grey Ghost Precision, and Tactical Tailor. If none of these guys pan out I will looking into obtaining a spare soft armor carrier and having a plate bag sewn into/onto it.
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Re: RFI on a White in Color Concealable Plate Carrier and Lightweight Level III+ Plates.

KUTF ·
First Spear offers the NOC carrier in white. Not sure it's what you're looking for.
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Re: RFI on a White in Color Concealable Plate Carrier and Lightweight Level III+ Plates.

cd228 ·
Velocity Systems shadow works might be worth contacting
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Re: RFI on a White in Color Concealable Plate Carrier and Lightweight Level III+ Plates.

jsx1043 ·
Mayflower was going to be my first suggestion, (in theory) they could do a custom LPAC for your IIIA panels with the requisite plate pouches. As long as they can do white... I know the Velocity ULV plates and backers had slick white carriers back in the day and they can still be found, but they are still zesty. Maybe Deliberate Dynamics, Ferro Concepts or Perroz Designs for custom work?
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Too much armor?

Skaster03 ·
Said no one ever. So, I've been saving for a personal set of armored plates for some time. With the added boost from last year's tax return, I've finally tipped over the point and I'm ready to buy. I've poured over the forums here, paying special attention here: http://www.lightfighter.net/to...-officers-start-here and here: http://www.lightfighter.net/to...and-testing-on-vests and especially here: http://www.lightfighter.net/to...ii-patrol-armor-test . Before we dive into gear, I should...
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XTCBX ·
Cough, Strandhögg cough cough Strandhögg... http://www.lightfighter.net/to...-strandho-gg-finally
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Re: Too much armor?

Lightfighter ·
Of the choices you posted, the best bet is the Blue Force Gear Plateminus. The large will fit your 10x12 plates, though you will have a little bit of extra 'height' in the plate pocket. A choice you did not list, from a quality and price standpoint is the ATS Aegis plate carrier. And they make it sized specifically to fit 10x12 plates. https://nelsonuniform.com/coll...r?variant=1178660061
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Re: Too much armor?

SPDSNYPR ·
I'll say it. Too much armor. That shit gets heavy when you wear it too long. Too much shit on armor too. Your back will be ruined in no time. I have the Banshee PC, and have used it for years. I like it. Goes over a slick carrier great too if you want soft armor. If not, inside a stand-alone set of plates fits fine (I'm pretty sure mine has the 10x12s, but it's at work). The older I get, the less shit I "need". 1 rifle mag, 1 pistol mag, a radio, a TQ, and a really bad attitude are it. The...
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Jason M ·
The Shellback Banshee fits my AMI TAC3S like it was made for them.
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Re: Too much armor?

Dev L ·
You buy armor to fit you, then a carrier to fit the armor. What size are you? I am also a Detective in Texas, with similar needs etc. I had to look and make sure your post was not an old post I forgot I wrote or by one of my friends at another department, lol. What part of Texas do you live in and what type of vehicle will your armor be stored in? West Texas can get super hot or cold but it is dry and North Texas will be far less humid and hot than the coast. Some carriers are considerably...
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Re: Too much armor?

cd228 ·
Out of my lane (.MIL) There is certainly a thing as too much armor. My unit got issued plate carriers for ASTAN in addition to our issued IOTVs. Almost all the line guys ran the plate carriers, only staff guys like myself stuck with the IOTV and I generally rolled in an MRAP or MATV, got to the mission site and dropped gear any way. When I did roam the country side the hills would kick my ass, the guys in the PCs ran rings around me. Back on track, I am another vote for the ATS AEGIS plate...
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CocoaCop ·
Never too much armor? There's a balance for sure, but I see too many CONUS cops trying to look like they're climbing mountains in Afghanistan only facing rifle threats. We're still being killed by lots of handguns, don't compromise too much soft armor.
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cd228 ·
I completely agree that LE and MIL requirements and methodology aren't exactly the same and in some cases polar opposites. That's why I make sure to add that caveat. However, how many stories is the tallest building in the jurisdiction and how many stairs is it to get up there? Do you have hills and other elevation? Not every one works in flat land and excessive armor can lead to fatigue. fatigue can lead to a number of issues. Now If I read your post correctly, You are trying to tell me is...
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Re: Too much armor?

cd228 ·
Would the First Spear First On carrier work? http://www.first-spear.com/pro...p;cat=272&page=1 It's very minimalist, doesn't support soft armor, but it's made for a 10x12 plate. It'll hold 2 AR mags and has an medical pouch. It doesn't meet the stated requirement for the radio or glock mags either.
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Re: Too much armor?

PureAmericana ·
Personally, I have been using a new carrier for my NIJ III plates, and its super high quality and reliable! The carrier is also extremely adjustable! I find the open sides of it to help with my ability to move! The best part was it came standard with a few things like a hydro pack , and magazine holder. The company is Rhino Body Armor and there site is : www.thebestbodyarmor.com hope it helps!
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Blackdog ·
I don't know about you, but if I see some guy I don't know at an active scene and he's wearing Wolf Grey, guess who I'm pointing my rifle at? Since you work for a PD, wear black or blue. If you worked for an SO, I would say wear Ranger/OD Green or Black. Wolf Grey is too new, tactical and expensive for most cops, so I would think you were not one.
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Re: Injuries associated to steel plate armor?

JF ·
Sorry no data, but unless there's something to reliably capture the fragments/projectile then they are going to strike something in a 360 degree area around the impact. I like this video to show new instructors about the safety considerations when setting up a steel range sessions. https://www.youtubedotcom/watch?v=QfDoQwIAaXg
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Re: Injuries associated to steel plate armor?

Trajan Aurelius ·
This has been a known issue since the intersection of armor and bullets, only the degree has changed. The IJN Battleship Musashi had a spall liner inside each of its 18.1 inch three gun turrets and I am sure this was a wide spread practice in the Imperial Japanese Navy. The liner was made of 9 mm think silk to absorb spall. In the Vietnam War, helicopter crew were issued ceramic "chicken plates" with a ballistic nylon cover to capture spall from the shattered ceramic plates. There are a...
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SFF ·
Relating to this, if you look at videos in which bad guys engage officers, they rapid fire (Dallas being only 1 such incident) and all those rounds, should they hit steel, create a lot of spall. Further, in reality, angles of fire are not 90 degrees, so after those bullets hit steel, they are likely to leave as a more or less intact projectile, with significant wounding/fatality potential.
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Injuries associated to steel plate armor?

SFF ·
Disclaimer, I use and advocate modern ceramic plates. Looking for materials, references, photos, etc. regarding injuries to users of steel plate armor from spall, projectiles that impacted at less than right angles and deflected into the user, etc. Already searched here and elsewhere and not seeing much, but I think that such things often may not make into the public domain due to HIPPA, etc. Much appreciated.
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Sinister ·
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flak_jacket http://history.amedd.army.mil/...blstcs/chapter11.htm https://books.google.com/books...20wounds&f=false http://history.amedd.army.mil/...cs/wwii/woundblstcs/ http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/688122.pdf http://ww2f.com/threads/questi...ng-body-armor.15223/ https://books.google.com/books...20wounds&f=false
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Re: Injuries associated to steel plate armor?

shoobe01 ·
Cool video. But let's be clear, the fragments that come off a plate even without ricochet are moderately unpleasant. They eat away at concrete and metal over time. Softer materials (fabrics, chipboard) handle them better I guess because they are fast but very lightweight, but I wouldn't want my head in the way. I have heard many, many anecdotal stories, and over the years seen a handful of autoposy diagrams and AAR photos of serious ricochets from steel rifle and trauma plates. But I cannot...
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shoobe01 ·
Question (not challenge): I thought spall liners were to stop spall. Spall being the armor itself turning into secondary projectiles from deformation or penetration by a projectile, explosive force, or other mechanical effect. And I thought I had seen in detail (somewere, probably a book I cannot search with google!) that spall protective materials may or may not be useful to protect against ricochet, as they are designed/selected to protect against fragments forming in contact with the...
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Trajan Aurelius ·
Shoobe, I see the spall problem and the ricochet problem as very similar; the ricochet is the primary projectile; spall is a secondary projectile. Spall liners, inside turrets of any size, capture spall. Ricochets and spall from steel body armor plates can both be contained by a ballistic covering. Both are moving fast enough to cause injury. This is how chicken plates work(ed). Bullets would penetrate the carrier and ballistic covering, slowing it a bit, and hit the ceramic plate beneath...
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Linz ·
Or you wear armour to defeat the spall from the plate: https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/REL23774/
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MAC19D ·
FWIW, last summer one of the students in a class I was teaching had some new steel plate armor. He wanted to shoot them and "see what happens".... ok, it was his idea. I know I have accidentally left a can of paint sitting in front of steel targets, and already know what inevitably happens. Highly unscientific testing followed. There was some kind of a coating on the steel, almost looked like the stuff used as bed liner in the back of my truck. Shot it with some Black Hills 77 grain OTM ammo...
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Re: Injuries associated to steel plate armor?

shoobe01 ·
While I have seen some legit rubbery coating with fibers under that look like spall coating inside armored vehicles, most plate coatings I see are like this. Often even come from the factory with corners chipped off. Unless I missed something about the material properties, spall shields seem like they should not be brittle.
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SFF ·
Yes. Going to show vids and maybe also put some cardboard around some (rifle grade) steel targets that we have to show what happens.
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Re: Injuries associated to steel plate armor?

TheTick ·
SFF- Are you trying to convince someone to not get them? If so, how about videos of XM193 hitting steel plates? There's a lot and I've found them most effective in getting people to reconsider Couple spalling with the fact that XM193 cruises straight through and it's a no-go.
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SFF ·
Many of the AR500 company's plates they can cover with a rubber-like substance to catch spall (frag) from the bullet striking the plate. This adds thickness (about 1/4") and weight. But how well does it protect the user from spall/frag?
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MWL ·
There is a company up here that sells AR500 armour made with some sort of special process and then covered with a coating that is supposed to catch all the spall from multiple rounds. They are S&J Hardware. Regards. Mark
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