.22LR/.22Mag "fun guns"

I put this here because it pertains to both rifles and pistols...so didn't fully fit anywhere. Except maybe the team room.

Looking for ideas for a nice .22LR or .22magnum rifle, with iron sights and can accept a scope. Probably a bolt action for ease of use... Basically something that I can mess with and have fun, or can use to teach new shooters both iron sights and scope. Accurate enough so they dot get frustrated, but obviously within the capability of the round. 100yds max pretty much.

Same thing with a .22 pistol, no scope requirement obviously. Something I can mess with and hopefully suppress (lookin at you, Assassinator 5000 thread) and still have fun with.


Reason I ask is because there are so many options for both, yet it's tough to know if that $89.99 Cabela's special rifle is worth messing with. Wife's dad has a badass .22 mag Savage rifle, thing is old school but shoots awesome. If I'm gonna spend the money, something like that is what I'm thinking.

Thanks for any input you guys have.

 

 

 

 

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I have a Henry Lever Action .22, youth size, that I picked up a couple of years ago, and I love it. I bought it initially to have something to shoot Colibri out of (it won't cycle a semi), and just because a .22 is a good gun to have.

I settled on the youth size because its a handy little package, on par with a childs BB gun. I wanted something I could toss in a small cargo area, in a pelican, or strap to a backpack with ease. That being said... its a little too small for me to be 100% comfortable with.

I threw a $5 Wal-Mart special scope on it, and use it for short range plinking. It also has the excellent benefit of being very non-threatening for new shooters. This last summer I took out my then-GF, her mom, and little brother and sister to the range, none of them having shot a gun before. The Henry was an instant hit, being easy to shoot, easy to load, easy to hit with (25y targets) and just old-school fun.

Only real downside is reloading; no quick way to do that. It's too bad they don't make .22s to be side loading like a Marlin Guide Gun. But even the youth model takes 12-15 rounds of ammo (depending on length; Colibri's are short). They're also not as cheap as other entry level .22s; I think I paid a hair over $300 for mine, and I've seen 10/22's for a hundred bucks less.

Oh well, I've been very happy with it, and definitely don't regret the purchase. A solid .22 is something everyone should have, and I have mine!

 

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Marlin and Mossberg both make bolt action .22's priced at around $125 without a scope. I would look for either used and a Rugger 10/22 is good if you want to go semi-auto and spenda little more. Henry makes great stuff but a bit more expensive.

For a good single shot try here. Expect to wait, it is better to go in person and inspect what they have.

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I'd go with a Ruger--the 10/22 is pretty damned easy to operate and with the right mods they can be surprisingly accurate but if you're dead-set on a boltgun, the 77/22 is quite nice as well. I've owned both at various points and can't really complain about either--the 10/22 is quite the money pit if you choose to let it become one but even bone-stock, they're tolerable.

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10/22 is a fun stick for rattling cans across the ground @ 50m & under. With that said they suck accuracy (and sometimes function) wise unless you drop the amount of money into them that you could have bought an awesome gun to begin with.
They also have a unique manual of arms that is more complex than raw shooters need.

You can get a CZ452 or one of the savage accutrigger models new off the shelf that will out do anything a $600 tinker toy 10/22 can do.

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I was going to recommend the Henry lever guns too. I have three. I have a 10/22 as well. While the 10/22 is a classic in its own right, I would much rather shoot the Henry. It's a better piece of craftsmanship.

It would be awesome with a suppressor as you don't have a bunch of sound energy coming out the action

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I second the CZ452. I have the 452 Varmint in .22LR. My 10/22 is back to the factory stock and barrel as the 452 shoots rings around the hundreds of dollars in scopes, barrels and stocks I put on the Ruger.In my opinion the CZ is a ton of gun for the money.
A friend of mine loves his little $145 Cricket bolt , he has 3 and they just plink and plink. They have small and adult stocks and also in 22LR and 17HMR.

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The Marlin bolt actions have stupidly good accuracy for the price. You can get tube or detachable mag.

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The CZ 22's are nice rifles, I know a few people who own them and love them. One is on my "list".

I have a 10/22, it's a fun gun, I'd trade it for the CZ.

A pal of mine shoots armadillo's on his tree farm with one of the .17's, he thinks the caliber is the cats ass.

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I have a Browning A-bolt .22lr rifle and a Browning buckmark pistol both of which are very accurate. The A-bolt has iron sights and is adaptable for a scope. The A-bolt while not unreasonable isn't exactally cheap. I use my buck mark each range session to reinforce marksmanship.

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Its hard to go wrong with a 10/22, but you're going to have to dump a few hundred bucks into it if you want it to approach the precision of the Cz452. It would probably be cheaper to pick up a Cz452 and if you want a semi-auto .22 rifle, pick up a Marlin 60 or a 10/22. I will say that in my limited experience, the tube fed .22s can be picky with ammo compared to the 10/22 (and when tube fed rifles get a stoppage, it can be a cast iron bitch to get the stoppage cleared without shredding your fingers). I plan on buying a Cz452 when I can afford one because I've yet to hear a bad thing about them.

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CZ/BRNO make very nice .22LR and .22 Mag bolt guns. My CZ/BRNO was cheap and is very accurate, almost as good as my Anschutz. Marlin used to make some really accurate .22 LR and .22 Mag bolt guns but haven't seen any of their new stuff since they have moved the plant. CZ/BRNO make a very nice (expensive) .22 Mag semiauto that is stick magazine fed, I have not had a chance to shoot mine yet so can not comment on reliability or accuracy. A good quality scope can be had for less than $150.00.
Shooting these guns can be fun and improve your marksmanship.
Enjoy whatever you get and have fun.
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I love my little Brno Model 2,which was made in 1958 and still going strong.

I actually got mine years ago off a bloke I worked with. He had it stored in the Regt armoury, and the SQMS didn't like him. So, for a paltry 150 bucks, I picked up a beautiful little rifle wearing a rosewood stock.

Accurate as hell. The only doubt I ever had with it was when my old man turns around to me and says my sights were off - he'd been trying to eradicate wayward ducks from his swimming pool.

After a quick test fire, where POI equalled POA perfectly, I realised Dad's eyes were going in his old age.

This was concerning, because down range from his pool deck is the neighbours roof.
We still haven't heard anything from them, so the old man's shooting must have gone to shit completely...

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Another vote for the CZ452. I have one and it has filled my "Man-Sized .22 with functional iron sights" niche. I hate the 10/22's childishly small stock and low to bore sight height. The CZ has a very good tangent sight and a hooded front that is poison to squirrels. Plus it's just fun to sling up and put round after round into a ragged hole at 50m. One note, the CZ452's are being discontinued and being replaced by the CZ455 which doesn't have the great sights on it, and changes the method of bolt lock-up and barrel attachment (not as well liked by .22 guys). It was on my "list" too until I realized dealers were clearing out their inventory.
Savage is now making a .22 Accutrigger bolt action with a 16" threaded barrel. If I didn't have so much money invested in my 10-22 (see DZ's comments above), I'd definitely check that out. As for pistols, I love my Browning Buck Mark with a threaded aftermarket barrel.

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If you are a tinkerer, the 10/22 is the way to go. You can get good accuracy and reliability out of one without dumping a bunch of cash into it, but you'll dump time instead.

Marlins generally shoot better, but minimal aftermarket support. Growing, but still anemic.

Ditto Savage.

The CZs are the berries out of the box. Again, not much aftermarket stuff, but damn are they nice. I really want one, and I need another 22 like a need a kick in the dick.

Pistol-wise, I waffle between the Buckmark and the older Ruger MkIIs. Prolly go with the Browning since you can get a TacSol upper for it without doing a 4473.

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I have a Henry Lever Action .22, youth size, that I picked up a couple of years ago, and I love it. I bought it initially to have something to shoot Colibri out of (it won't cycle a semi), and just because a .22 is a good gun to have.


What length is the barrel on your Henry, and have you had any issues with the Colibri? I recently picked up an unfired Rossi Model 62 SAC with 16" barrel (like the older Winchester Model 62 pump gallery gun) and I've been tempted to try some Super Colibri in it. I bought a bunch when Cheaper Than Dirt had it for $6/brick a few years ago, but so far I've just been shooting it in my .22 Colt Peacemaker.
Another happy Henry Repeating Arms customer here. I have a "Frontier Model" .22 with octagon barrel. It has a Weaver rail on top for a scope, but the iron sights are very nice. The action on it is very smooth, and like someone else stated, it's very non-threatening to new shooters. I taught my sister to shoot on it, and my 8 year old son. No problems.

The great thing about mine is that it was an anniversary gift from my wife. I absolutely love it.

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Thanks for the replys

Not really hung up on bolt action, but like some pointed out, I didn't want to deal with the hit-or-miss 10/22 semi auto action, or some other type I'd have to screw with.

Certainly not against bolting on the bells and whistles and cool stuff, but would like to be able to do it at my convenience, not as a necessity.

Thanks again!

 

 

 

 

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For a budget learning gun, I still prefer the Marlin bolts. You control rate of fire and mag capacity, so you can single load if you want.

The Savages are worth the money too. I had a Marlin 25N for years, eventually swapped it off for a Marlin 60 as a general shooter, but I would buy one again.

For a man-sized .22, the CZ's rule in the bolt guns.

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I LOVE my 1022. That said I have $1300 into with my silencer. I can put 9/10 rounds on a one inch spinner target at 100yrds. Since I can't shoot long range around here aside from the power lines, so my tricked out 1022 is what gets my rocks off! I'll have to take some video of it it's crazy quiet with cci standard rounds. When I get home i'll try and take some pictures.

But all that said it's not the bolt gun you asked for. Non the less still badass!

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Originally posted by Jim C.:
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I have a Henry Lever Action .22, youth size, that I picked up a couple of years ago, and I love it. I bought it initially to have something to shoot Colibri out of (it won't cycle a semi), and just because a .22 is a good gun to have.


What length is the barrel on your Henry, and have you had any issues with the Colibri? I recently picked up an unfired Rossi Model 62 SAC with 16" barrel (like the older Winchester Model 62 pump gallery gun) and I've been tempted to try some Super Colibri in it. I bought a bunch when Cheaper Than Dirt had it for $6/brick a few years ago, but so far I've just been shooting it in my .22 Colt Peacemaker.


16.125" per the Henry website. And I've had zero problems with the Colibri. I can shoot it in my back yard; its quieter than my roommates pellet gun.

 

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Originally posted by 21M:
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Originally posted by Jim C.:
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I have a Henry Lever Action .22, youth size, that I picked up a couple of years ago, and I love it. I bought it initially to have something to shoot Colibri out of (it won't cycle a semi), and just because a .22 is a good gun to have.


What length is the barrel on your Henry, and have you had any issues with the Colibri? I recently picked up an unfired Rossi Model 62 SAC with 16" barrel (like the older Winchester Model 62 pump gallery gun) and I've been tempted to try some Super Colibri in it. I bought a bunch when Cheaper Than Dirt had it for $6/brick a few years ago, but so far I've just been shooting it in my .22 Colt Peacemaker.


16.125" per the Henry website. And I've had zero problems with the Colibri. I can shoot it in my back yard; its quieter than my roommates pellet gun.


I'll ditto the Henry. I bought a youth model for my girls, they thought that little gun was the coolest thing ever. Mine shot the Super Colibri rounds with no issues at all.

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I'd recommend taking a look at the Remington 597s. They fit the niche of beeing a cheap plinking rifle while still feeling like a full size rifle.

First rifle I ever owned was a 597 in .22 Magnum. At 25m it puts Winchester Dynapoints through a single ragged hole. Did have some failure to feed issuess with the first generation magazines, but the new ones fixed the problem. Ended up picking up a second one in .22lr, throwing a bipod and el-cheapo scope on it, and I'm very satisfied with both.

The Henry Lever .22's are great rifles as well, very solid little guns.
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I had a Marlin 25N for years

Still have mine, was my first rifle and it still shoots like a champ.

My vote is for the 10-22.

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What's the consensus on .22 pistol with potential for suppression in the future? A good starting point you might say...?

Like I said before, I know this is primary weapons but I didn't think the topic needed two separate threads

 

 

 

 

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Any of the Ruger Mk's are a good start for a pistol. Some of the new ones come threaded already.


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I vote for an S&W M&P 15-22. THe new ones have their issues worked out, good for training up on "America's Rifle", comes with irons, scope ready, numerous upgrades, etc. About $400, so maybe out of your price range, but I love mine, and will likely get a Performance center one soon. And they are Fun.

I've been considering a heavy barrel bolt gun also, perhaps the Savage MKII/TR, or a tuned up Ruger 77/22.

For a pistol, right now I have a Browning Buckmark. adding suppressor is a barrel swap away. Not as many aftermarket options as the Ruger, but enough to get you where your goin.
The new S&W M&P 22 pistol is also on my list.

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We do a lot of squirrel and rabbit hunting with 22LR, 22 mag, and 17HMR. We shoot coyotes and pigs with the 17 as well. Also enjoy teaching young kids to shoot as a good way of paying forward for these freedoms.

CZ is a great little hunting rifle and the accuracy is on par or better than anything else mentioned in the thread. It is a well crafted old school rifle if machined steel and wood are important to you. The only criticism I would have for the CZ is the magazines. They are cheap stamped steel and sometimes fail to feed smoothly, especially in 17HMR. At a higher price point is the Browning T Bolt, one of the smoothest and best shooting rimfires you can buy. The Browning T bolt has an excellent trigger, very reliable magazine, and just shoots and handles well. However, it is expensive compared to most rimfire rifles.

But, for kids, the Henry lever rifles are herd to beat(even better is the Winchester 9422 if you can find a used one). The Henry is inexpensive and fun to shoot. It lacks the finish of the more expensive guns, but is serviceable and as accurate as most of us can shoot in a hunting situation. The kids, grandkids, nieces, and nephews invariably want to shoot the Henry over the CZ, Ruger, and Browning bolt actions we have. I finally bought a second one because I try to take a couple of the kids hunting at once and they both usually want the Henry. The lever action guns also let you shoot 22 short, and I really like to rabbit hunt with shorts.

For pistols, the Ruger semi-autos are tough to beat. If you want 22 mag capability, a single six with both cylinders is the ticket.

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Either of those should do ya fine, and slay many tree rats and paper mooselimbs.

If you haven't decided on a handgun yet, and you aren't dead set on a self-shucker, Ruger just released their SP101 Kit gun in 22LR. 4" adjustable sight 8-shot largish small frame wheelgun. Falls between a J- and K-Frame S&W size-wise. We haven't seen one at the shop yet, but, being the wheelgun queer that I am, I really want one of these.

Can't suppress it, but it'll be a hella fun gun. Big Grin

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I have those & I made a recommendation above for them. I like them but buyer be ware, they're not near the product my CZ's are. Lipstick on pigs by comparison.

The mag designs for the bolt gun suck & shit the bed quick unless you baby them. IE, don't toss them in a mag box with loaded 17s mags or the flimsy things will suffer.

My 1st rifle (I have 2 of those bolts) is shitting the bed because there's something in the "bottom metal" that's changed the angle that the mag sits at. It places the nose of the round too high & unless the bolt is babied it won't feed well. The problem manifested after my son started dragging it through the woods & getting some poor rest positions while tree rat murdering. I've had it 5+ years & sent countless thousands of rounds through it though.

I,ve been taking my son & adopting a lot of new shooters to Appleseed shoots (trigger time is trigger time, especially with kids & new shooters just opening eyes) so I just added 2 of the Savage model 64 semi auto, threaded what ever models to the safe. Mags are MUCH more robust. I am designing an extended mag release for it because it must be actuated to seat the mag as well as release it. @ $280-ish new out the door they kick the snot out of any 10/22 I've had less than $450 into.

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