Aimpoint T1/T2 mounts

So what is the new hotness in Aimpoint T1/T2 "Micro" mounts for carbines? 

I've always just kinda done the Larue thing, and been done with it. They work just fine, but I haven't bought one in six years. I'm wondering if there are new or different options out there. 

What's the scoop? Should I not be looking for something different? I've seen a few INTERNET sources talking about things like engagement surfaces and whatnot... beyond my expertise to know if it matters or what. 

 

 

 

 

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I just picked up some SLR Rifleworks mounts for a T2 and a MRO.  I really like them, super light, simple, and "pinches" the rail versus wedging against it.  I also have several Larues (2 micros, M3, M4, TA33) and a KAC micro, and they are fine, but I see less and less real need for QD mounts on all but my most serious "work" guns.  And even on those, I would probably go with bolt-on if doing it over. 

The SLR was about $65, so that is nice, too.  Another nice unit is the Scalarworks stuff, but it is in Larue's price range.  Geissele has a micro mount coming soon...it is what you would expect.

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Spuhr's use of two thumb screws is what turns me off.  Seems like too much trouble and overkill.  Plus the whole unit is an exercise in maximal design, IMO.  Not doubting their quality, but the execution seems...10 years ago.  Alamo Four Star's mount is pretty nice and sorta similar to the new Geissele unit, IMO.

 

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I have the bobro micro mount for my T2.  Got it when it first came out and Andrew and his crew gives a discount for LE.  Everything about it just screams quality.  It just simply works.   Disclaimer: I have not done any wild ass internet "testing" so don't ask how it performs after being dropped off a building or frozen in a cooler for a week.  I took it off and put it back on a bunch of times after the initial zero and it held.

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Thank you for posting this topic... maybe my bitching can be silenced.

What I want is a simple lower third mount without QD. For example: a LaRue Tall with no QD, or a 1 piece Daniel Defense  that doesn't need a bolt-on riser to become lower third. I don't want or need any skeletonized hotness, and I want minimal moving parts.

Personally, I don't feel like I have any need for QD. It's less about saving money than it is KISS. .. i.e. I'm not trying to be a cheapskate. 

If I'm being stupid and should just stick with what has been working flawlessly for me (LaRue Tall), I have no issue doing so. It just seems odd that I can't find a simple, tall, box-style mount.

 That SLR model is the closest to what I want that I can find.

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BlackBear207 posted:

Thank you for posting this topic... maybe my bitching can be silenced.

What I want is a simple lower third mount without QD. For example: a LaRue Tall with no QD, or a 1 piece Daniel Defense  that doesn't need a bolt-on riser to become lower third. I don't want or need any skeletonized hotness, and I want minimal moving parts.

Personally, I don't feel like I have any need for QD. It's less about saving money than it is KISS. .. i.e. I'm not trying to be a cheapskate. 

If I'm being stupid and should just stick with what has been working flawlessly for me (LaRue Tall), I have no issue doing so. It just seems odd that I can't find a simple, tall, box-style mount.

 That SLR model is the closest to what I want that I can find.

I use a Daniel Defense lower 1/3 Cowitness mount on my AR to look over the top of my OTAL.  It's pretty simple and very sturdy.  I have not had any problems with it.  I can't remember the cost as t was a few years ago, but I want to say it was 75-100$.  I recommend it.

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BlackBear207 posted:

What I want is a simple lower third mount without QD. For example: a LaRue Tall with no QD...

You could order the LaRue with the VFZ instead of the throw lever?  Saves you $25 and takes off the QD.  Sounds like exactly what you are looking for.

 

ETA:  Here is LT's description of it (its pretty much a bolt/nut where the throw lever was.  You tighten the nut and you are done):

About VFZ Mounts:
VFZ is a new theory in the concept of clamping accessories to MIL-STD-1913 rails. Instead of using a horizontal cross-bolt, the VFZ uses a vertical bolt that draws up a clamping foot against the lower angle of the rail, seating the mount similarly to a fully-closed LaRue lever.

Once installed on the firearm, index marks allow the user to remove the mount, then reattach to the same tension, providing unprecedented return to zero for a non-QD-levered mount. The unique vertical alignment of the clamp allows components that are structurally stronger than traditional cross-bolt designs.

I've consistently used the KAC Micro Mount for years (civilian use). Personally I have not experienced any issues.  It's QD, but has been consistently rock solid. The kit allows various height adjustments, etc. You occasionally hear some bitching about the locking mechanism being "cumbersome", but that's not an issue for me.

DD also makes a Micro Mount (Rock and Lock). I've heard a lot of good things about it- but don't have any personal experience with it. It's not QD (ergo some say less apt to "snag"), absolute or lower co-witness, etc.

YMMV 

Installed a DD clamp on mount recently for a guy's H2 (both obtained from Joe Strohman, BTW).  

Appears very serviceable, it's simple and includes a spacer so you can have the co-witness that you want. 

I feel compelled to say, however, that I prefer the LT-660 (I have no experience with the VFZ).  Yes it's QD, but I've had to remove the optic and carry on with irons during a LMS carbine class when due to incessant PAC NW rain in Jan, the lenses got too smeared with mud, etc.  to see through, so I, myself, prefer QD.

If mounting is the question, LaRue is the answer.  This isn't cold fusion.  It's an Aimpoint mount.  Don't know how much more can be done to "improve" one.   It's to the point where there are so many good choices you would have to go out of your way to get a bad one.

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Sooooo I've hit a snag. Where does one find the four mounting screws for a T1/T2? They were not included with the T2 sans mount from Strohman Enterprise, and also not included with the SLR Rifleworks mount. 

I don't want to order the wrong ones so a link would be awesome if possible. 

 

Thanks! 

 

 

 

 

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http://www.brownells.com/optic...crews-prod81236.aspx

$7/screw, do they at least give you a reach around? The fuck? Looks like a pretty standard M3x4 with a Torx head.

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FastSS posted:

http://www.brownells.com/optic...crews-prod81236.aspx

$7/screw, do they at least give you a reach around? The fuck? Looks like a pretty standard M3x4 with a Torx head.

I might have some of those hiding in my stock room here at work.  Probably
M3X4 with a t8 or t10 driver size.  If I find them I'll let Lobster know.  They probably wont be black oxide coated, however, just a plain bare stainless finish. And they wont be $7/screw, either. 

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Correct on the M3x4 screws, and they can be found at home hardware box stores in Allen head versions.  They will do fine, I recently picked some up at The Home Depot.  Torx head variants can be found at Fastenal.  Be careful with stainless into the alloy of the sight, IIRC, they can gall up.  DO NOT pay $7 a screw; I've read that Aimpoint will send you what you need if you ask.

BTW, there is a version of LockTite for small fasteners, it's purple, I've taken to using it on optics.

 

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Assuming, of course, that you have Home Depot or similar in Maine.  I hear it's a bit backwoods and mosquito infested up there...and cold...and smells of moose poo.

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Halt the presses, I did what I should've done in the first place and just asked SLR Rifleworks. They emailed me back in about 5 minutes and said they actually started including the screws as of today. They are sending me a set free tomorrow, awesome customer service from them.

 

Thanks for the help though, little details like that often trip me up.

 

 

 

 

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LobsterClaw207 posted:

Halt the presses, I did what I should've done in the first place and just asked SLR Rifleworks. They emailed me back in about 5 minutes and said they actually started including the screws as of today. They are sending me a set free tomorrow, awesome customer service from them.

 

Thanks for the help though, little details like that often trip me up.

It's a good thing you got hooked up because the only M3's I've got now are 12 & 25 long.  I did try, spent the last OT hour of the week browsing 500 bins of stock. 

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No sweat brother. At my pay scale OT is always easy. 

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Aaaaaand hopefully last question. 

 

Installing the T2 on a mount... loctite or no loctite? What color? Torque specs? There's a looootttttt of bad or questionable information out there that I've found, much of it conflicting. 

 

 

 

 

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Larue provides a blue threadlocker with their mounts, but I don't know specifically which one it is.  I have this -http://na.henkel-adhesives.com/industrial/purple-threadlockers-small-thread-low-strength-13233.htm - on hand from installing video cameras in cruisers and use it on optics.

I think standard blue might be overkill on the smaller fasteners.  So far the purple has worked w/out issue.  Obviously any of the reds are no-go's.  From http://www.wdarc.org/Loctite%20Guide.pdf:

222 - Purple - Low strength thread locker, designed for precision metal fasteners under 3/4". Protect threads from rust and corrosion. Removable with hand tools. Temp range - 65 to 300 degrees F. Cure Speed 20 min. Full 24 hrs.

242 - Blue - Medium strength thread locker for fasteners up to 3/4". Cures reliably even on stainless steel. Tolerant of oil and other contamination. Protects threads from rust and corrosion. Parts can be disassembled with hand tools. Temp range -65 to 300 degrees F. Cure speed 15 min. Full 24 hrs.

262 - Red - Permanent strength thread locker for fasteners up to 3/4". Designed for extreme environmental/chemical conditions. Especially useful for holding tight Grade 5 and 8 fasteners. Protects threads from rust and corrosion. Localized heating and hand tools required for disassembly. Temp range -65 to 300 degrees F. Cure speed 30 min. Full 24 hrs.

272 - Red - Hi-temp/hi-strength formula. Suited for temperatures up to 450 degrees F. Fast cure on most surfaces including "as received" fasteners. Recommended for bolts up to 1 1/2" in diameter. Heat and hand tools required for disassembly. Temp range -65 to 450 degrees F. Cure speed 60 min. Full 24 hrs.

277 - Red - High strength for locking fasteners up to 1 1/2". Prevents fasteners from loosening due to shock, heat or vibration . Protects threads from rust and corrosion. Removable with heat and hand tools. Temp range -65 to 300 degrees F. Cure speed 60 min. Full 24 hrs.

290 - Green - Medium strength thread locker for pre-assembled bolts up to 1/2". Penetrates threads by capillary action: simplifies preventive maintenance. Secures set screws and other assemblies after settings are completed. Used to seal welds and porous metal parts. Protects threads from rust and corrosion. Temp range -65 to 300 degrees F. Cure speed 10 min. Full 24 hrs.

 

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