Assault pack reference thread

I'm just a Probie chiming in to say that the volume of the ATS RAID at, 20.25"x12.25"x8.5" actually comes out to 2108.5 cubic inches. So they're a little closer in capacity; and yes, when dealing with volume taking just an inch off one side can have a dramatic impact and the TAG RAID appears to be approximately one inch shorter on every side (More or less).

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I have a 2003 Eagle-built LF RAID and a newer TAG version. Their dimensions are identical as far as I can tell. The only real difference is that the LF version is flat on the bottom and the bottom of the TAG version is at a slight angle (which makes it flop over on its front whenever you put it down - annoying). I can't really see how this could account for the stated difference in volume, but what the hell do I know.
Seb5- I'm using a PPM SAP as my boat bag and assault pack, only one failed seam so far (the right waist belt attachment tore off on the way over). Great,tough pack.

I carried an AIII in Afghanistan for ammo, gear and some clothing,love it, but no internal organization.

I'm looking at a TT Trauma pack. The internals would be perfect for my camera and sensitive gear.

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Name: Christina - unknown EE/squirrel/assault pack

Cost: Unknown. Paid $30 for unused but issued (unit buy) copy shown upon disposal.

Capacity/Dimensions: Did not measure. Slightly taller and deeper Somewhat taller and about 50% deeper than a typical 3-day, about the same width in main pocket, but has additional pockets on side. See last photo and loaded items.

Pros: Well-built, well-sewn. All fabric appears to be top quality. Packcloth used where appropriate (see pad behind waist belt for extra feature example). Some metal hardware used where appropriate. Sternum slider is unique design that looks very sturdy. Some waterproof vinyl sections separate outer two pockets from main compartment. MANY pockets. See photos. Four side pockets with velcro and 3/4" SRs. Two front compartments similar to Eagle-pattery three day, but somewhat larger (esp. outermost); inner of these has a holster, two pistol mag pockets and another pocket (shown with 20 round AR mag). Back of main compartment has many variable-sized pockets all held down with velcro. Water bladder pocket. Nice, velcro-free water/radio passthru at top (shown with tape antenna protruding).

Cons: Most hardware (SRs, zippers) entirely unmarked no-name; zippers appear good, but are unknown; SRs seem potentially cheap. Odd choices, presumably some due to low availability of materials, leading to questions about total design; bottom lashdown is from fabric layered and sewn, vs. very wide webbing, for example. Many pockets (those along the back) inaccessible without removing everything from compartment, and hard to use with a 2/3-frontloader; needs to be a panel loader for this.


















Someone did get a shot of me actually wearing it:

This is carrying: bivy, thermarest, ecotat bag, ics fly, two poles, NOD ain pelican case, goretex, some food, cleaning gear, bungees, lights and lightsticks, batteries, a bag with four radios and their accessories, etc., etc., etc., and it still had room.

The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life. – Theodore Roosevelt

 

Joined: 19NOV2004   Location: Mission, Kansas

Name: SDS - Molle Medical Pack (USGI issue)

Cost: Over $300 retail, but routinely available for $30-75 surplus as they are apparently being replaced (with the same in UCP?)

Capacity/Dimensions: Did not measure. Same height as a 3-day, slightly wider and squarer. I can fit all gear for 3 days of casual living, including: ICS fly and poles, bivy, light sleeping bag, NODs, batteries, food, ammo, goretex, etc.

Pros: Panel loading. Much easier to take advantage of space. Many storage areas: two flaps (flop to side to allow access to inner pack removable by twin SRs each have two mesh pockets; water/radio pouch; map/info pouch with clear cover on lid; small pouches along top and bottom edges close with velcro, take up no room. Some PALS on sides. Pockets provided to fit side pals are good size. QD shoulder straps for ditching. External tiedown on top for oversized items. Compression straps across body of pack.

Cons: Presuming use as an assault pack, not a medpack . . . IV sling snaps in, and is odd and not useful. Remove and store. Velcro closures on storage areas are poor, feels like items will fall out when not all folded and sealed. No waist belt or possibility of one. No water or radio passthru. Zippers are very coarse and can hang up. Storm flap is SDS-style, so backwards; tends to be not covering zippers. No sternum strap as standard (can fit ALICE one though). No PALS on face or interior. No tietown or lashpoints on bottom for oversize gear. Does not fit any framesheet.











The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life. – Theodore Roosevelt

 

Joined: 19NOV2004   Location: Mission, Kansas



Kifaru Marauder in woodland Marpat with two side opening long pockets and one top opening back pouch. I had this set up when we spent extended time outside the wire hence the nice little stool. This was big enough to carry one extra uniform, 4 skivie rolls, hygiene kit, and any other essentials.

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LJ
Hi all,

First of all, i have to say that this is a great forum!

Ok, here´s my pack i used in the Afghanistan as 1 day/assault pack.

Name: Source Assault 10
Cost: approx 220 USD

Capacity/Dimensions: 10liters in the cargo compartment + 3 liter hydration bladder
L 18,5 inch, W 11 inch bottom 9 inch top, Depth: 9 inches

Pros:

-Good size if you are looking for a pack you can store only ammunition and water, and 3 day pack is too large for your needs.
-Comes with with a 3 litre hydration bladder (made by Source)
-Quality of this pack is exellent, can carry heavy loads
-Comfortable to carry
-Made in Israel

Cons:
-Too small for longer operations
-I´d like to have more PALS attachments
-Expensive

Here´s some pictures.. The external pouches are: combatkit´s utility pouch, Combatkit CQB Magazine Pouch (For a short range radio, actually), Tactical Tailors small Utility Pouch, Admin pouch (dont remember the manufacturer), Pantac´s bottle pouch.











Link to manufacturer´s site:

http://www.source-vagabond.com/

As a patrol pack i used Spec Ops T.H.E.PACK. I´ll post pictures and other info about that, in a couple of weeks.
Name: Tactical Tailor 3 Day Assault Pack
Cost: $132.25, but I was lucky to grab it for $80 on sale.
Capacity: Roughly 2400 cubic inches
Pros: Cheap. I cant say enogh how awesome this pack is. Its been ripped off the side of a bradley that scraped up against some trees and thick brush during a field problem at Fort Carson, its been apart of drunken misadventures that occured in the Colorado rockies, and its held up through this deployment with no wear and tear. I have seen some people post their skepticism of the malice clips, but from my personal expirience they are solid. I was wearing it during a dismounted patrol through a neighborhood, when my team started to chase an Iraqi gentlemen we had a "difference of opinion" with. We chased him through garbage filled streets and the various nooks and cranies that make up your typical urban iraqi neighborhood. One of the saw pouches got caught on a random piece of metal sticking out of the corner of a house. The malice clip, held up so well that it stopped me dead in my tracks and sent me flying face first into a pool of Iraqi shit water filled with garbage and (no lie) hypodermic needles. Luckily, i wasnt stabbed by any of the needles(hopefully, guess ill see next aids test). The bag is still intact and in perfect shape, and i now know what shit water tastes like. Gross. Like every other TT product, its bomb proof. Logan Coffey, keep up the good work.

Cons: There are alot of PALS webbing on the bag, but I wish they would have just broken down and put it on every surface of the bag... like the RAID. I perfer to use the hipbelt whenever possible, so if it was padded that would work for me. Tie down straps on the inside for your radios and hydration system would be nice.

Here is my pack with 2 TT saw pouches on it. Its currently set up for SSE and tactical callouts.







I am ordering a RAID soon so I will be able to compare the 2 and update the review.
Was issued the standard MOLLE assault pack thru RFI. worked great. Carried everything, was free, attached the Butt pack to the bottom as a bug out kit. Side sus pouches from MOLLE to plus up if needed.
good to go....
Name- Diamondback Tactical 3 day assault
Cost:159
Capacity/Dimensions:20.5” H x 13” W x 6.75” D
Pros:lots of molle space, large hydration pouch, half moon bottom opening
Cons:back straps aren't all the comfortable

Just picked up this pack. haven't had time to use it much or review it, but wanted to get up some pics for those thinking about getting one. Enjoy.
Exterior



Interior

Front Pockets


Ambidextrous Hydration tube port


Straps


Duraflex buckles & YKK zippers


Hydration pouch & Half moon opening



Definitely a notable pack that can mix it up with the others out there. Not so great on my tall frame (6'4"), so i'll probably end up selling it. Nice construction though. Hope this helps people out there who might be looking for some pics of this pack.
Name - Mystery Ranch 3-Day Assault Pack BVS
Cost - $345-$405 ($345 as reviewed)
Capacity - 2,000cus / 18"x11.5"x8.5"



Pros
- I like how the hydration pouches are on outer side of the bag rather then up against your back where it's guaranteed to break.
- Lot's of zippers and openings on the top make routing com wires/antennas or hydration tubes easy

Cons
- The most uncomfortable bag I have ever used. The straps will cut your damn arms off if you don't use the sternum strap, but because of the way it sits the sternum strap will probably be at your neck. I can't get the bag to sit up high, rather the weight feels like it is in the middle of my back where it smokes my upper back in 2 seconds. I've been carrying about 40 pounds over a LBT-6094 plate carrier.
- The BVS system doesn't work, at least not if you wear Large plates.
- I don't like the Y-Zipper, as it makes it very hard to access gear at the bottom of the bag if you are carrying a radio, I think if they made it like a horizontal H so you can get to the bottom easier it would be better.
- Some of the organizational pockets or dividers don't make sense to me. There are a lot of "bottomless" pockets so you can't actually put anything in them because it just falls out the bottom. This is extremely puzzling on the exterior of the pack, just what are you supposed to put there?
- The radio retention stuff is not removable, but doesn't secure a 117G, so if you carry a 117G or ASIP sized radio you need additional retention devices, leaving the old setup as just added weight and lost space, and there is a lot of it.
- The clips and buckles on the straps bite into you and even drew blood and left black contusions on my chest. Add this to this being the most uncomfortable pack I've ever used.

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Name - Mystery Ranch 3-Day Assault Pack BVS
Cost - $379
Capacity - 33L

Pro- Great bag, Sleeves and pockets allow for multi mission set up. Lots of Access without totally unpacking the bag. BVS works great with proper sizing.Sold on the 3zip concept.Live Wing upgrade is the way to go.

Cons- Watch the videos on the the MR site to set up pack properly.

Mystery Ranch 3 day assault pack review on my blog

Eberlestock Gunrunner.

 

MSRP: $179

Volume: 1400 cu.in.

Weight: 3lbs 8oz.

 

Eberlestock

Color: mine is dry earth.

 

Pros: very well made; just large enough for a short mission but would do 3 day if must; can carry a rifle in addition to the ready one; excellent for multiple weapon mission; scabbard bottom can be folded in a special pocket; lots of places to attach extra pouches.

 

Cons: The load is moved back due to the presence of the scabbard, which can be cinched only in the middle, along with the whole pack... but not at the top, where the rifle is inserted.  It creates a feeling of a wiggling, not well-strapped load.  Can be added by user, but expected it to be provided by a reputable manufacturer.

The small pouch on the top is excellent but protrudes above the neck line, when the rifle is not in, hanging on all kinds of vegetation/obstructions.

 

While it is my favorite for now, I think the LoDrag would have been a wiser choice.  Will have to order one and compare.

Name: Eagle Industries Crossover Pack

Cost: Regular price $105, on sale for $27

Capacity/Dimensions: 15”x22.5”x10”, nominal 3375 ci

Pros: Price, laptop compartment with removable padding, clean profile, plenty of MOLLE webbing

Cons: Interior organization not readily accessible, not made in USA (Dominican Republic)

I read about the Eagle Industries Crossover pack in another thread. While not in the market for another pack, I was unable NOT to buy since Natchez Shooters Supplies had it on sale for $27, plus $12 for shipping. For 40 bucks I figured I’d give it a shot. If it didn’t work out I could give it to my kids or use it for something that isn’t demanding.

Features

The Crossover has a pretty clean profile, with no exterior pouches but plenty of MOLLE on the face and both sides. It has a strip of Velcro suitable for a nametape at the top of the face of the pack. The shoulder straps are well padded, about 3” wide at the top and they taper to about 2” wide at the bottom. The back of the pack is padded, as well. I haven’t carried the pack for long distances but the padding feels comfortable enough for casual use. There is a laptop compartment between the padded rear of the pack and the main compartment. It has a horizontal zipper. My 17” laptop fits with plenty of space. The computer compartment has a unique feature. There is a removable pad, held in place with Velcro that can be placed in the bottom of the pack to protect the laptop. If you don’t carry a laptop you can remove the pad to reduce the depth and bulk of the pack. The bottom of the pack is somewhat wider and deeper than the top. The main and laptop zippers are both covered by storm flaps. There is a drain hole with a grommet and four points of webbing on the bottom, likely for attaching a sleeping pad or something.

 Zipper Storm Flap

Laptop Compartment with Zipper Storm Flap

Removable Bottom Laptop Pad

The interior has a hydration sleeve and there is a hydration tube port at the top of the pack. There are interior organization slots sewn to the bottom face of the hydration sleeve. They include two cell phone or similar slots, pen slots and a larger slot for small or flat items. These organizational slots are not unlike any you have seen in other packs, usually inside a smaller, outer zipper compartment. I find them totally useless in the Crossover. Affixed to the bottom of the hydration sleeve at the rear of the main compartment of the pack, you have to dig to the absolute back and bottom of everything you have in there to find smaller items. I think it is poor placement and they go unused in my Crossover.

Hydration Sleeve and Worthless Organizer Slots

There are two medium sized zipper compartments sewn to the interior face of the pack lid. The top one has a flat Velcro compartment behind it and one row of MOLLE dimension elastic loops on the face. There is a tab and key clip above the pouch and the keys can sit inside the Velcro pouch to keep them quiet. The bottom pocket is plain. I found these pouches useful and fairly well designed for my needs.

Interior Zippered Pockets

Top Interior Zippered Pocket

Flat Velcro Pouch Behind Zippered Pocket

I usually carry a Cobra with an Emdom Wideload Fatty as my briefcase for work. To test the Crossover I started using it as my briefcase. As far as usage, I loaded it with two Pelican cases with large and small binos, my work soft shell jacket, a shirt, and a box of granola bars in the main compartment. I don’t usually carry my laptop in my pack so I keep an accordion folder with documents I use regularly. This works great for me because it is easier to access than opening the main compartment, then having to shove the folder back in without getting snagged and bent by everything else in there. If I do need to put my laptop in that compartment there is enough room for the folder, too. Like I said, I don’t use the small interior organization slots because they are incredibly inconvenient to access. The zippered compartments are filled with chargers, batteries, badge/ID, flash drives, etc. Having used the Wideload on my Cobra for so long, I initially though the internal zipped pockets would be an inconvenience. To the contrary, I prefer them to the external pouch. It took a few days to decide what goes where, since it is easy to reach the top pocket but requires a little more effort to get to the bottom one. I had planned on putting a black Wideload on the Crossover but I’d rather keep it slick and use the interior zipper pouches.

I attached an ATS tear-off IFAK and a Nite Ize S-Biner to the side. I also ran some bright orange reflective shock cord through the MOLLE webbing and orange reflective 550 cord with GITD cord ends for zipper pulls on the main and laptop zippers. I did this to soften the look while using the bag as a carry-on or similar, not so much for work (any camouflage benefit I would have gained would have been negated by the POLIZEI patch).

With Orange Shock Cord, Zipper Pulls and ATS Tear-Off IFAK

Reflective

 I mentioned a couple times that I don’t care for the internal organizer slot positioning. My only other complaint, if you can call it that, is that it doesn’t stand upright in the back seat of my truck like the Cobra did. I think the Wideload helped the Cobra. It is probably just the way I have it loaded. This is just a minor inconvenience, but I wanted to point it out so I didn’t sound like this is the best pack ever, made from rainbow colored unicorn hide.

After a few months or so I will try to remember to update this to let you know how it holds up over time.

I’ve only been using the Crossover for a few weeks. I was going to try it out for every day carry then rotate the Cobra back in. I am probably going to keep the Crossover in service and buy another for…well…something. Hell, it is only $40.

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"One of the nice things about being around other soldiers is they will suffer your bullshit gladly, knowing sooner or later you will shut up and listen to theirs." - Jim Morris, War Story

 

"The military was strange like that. In the middle of the night you run into a major problem that requires you to put your faith in someone you never met before and probably would never see again. But that person knocks himself out to do his job and helps you get on with yours." - Harold W. Coyle, Team Yankee

It has been about eight months since I started using the Crossover. I still use it in an EDC role. It carries an IFAK, miscellaneous batteries, cords, cables, two pairs of binos in Pelican cases, a couple of shirts, file folders and a few other things thrown in, for a weight of 17.4 pounds. As mentioned above, it is light duty work, carrying it to and from my truck every day, and riding in the back seat for 50-60 hours a week.

Las week I inspected it and noticed that some of the threads on some of the MOLLE bar tacks was beginning to fray. This was limited to the bottom thread of the four left bar tacks on the bottom row of MOLLE on the front of the pack (see photos below). After I took photos I hit the threads with a Bic so they don't fray more. When I did that I was able to see that the stitching is still intact through the width of the webbing.I will continue to monitor this for additional wear.

Everything else seems good. The nylon on the bottom of the pack is fine, the grommet is intact, as well as the four nylon loops on the bottom. The seams where the shoulder straps are sewn into the body of the pack show no stress. I plan on continuing to use the Crossover in the current role.

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"One of the nice things about being around other soldiers is they will suffer your bullshit gladly, knowing sooner or later you will shut up and listen to theirs." - Jim Morris, War Story

 

"The military was strange like that. In the middle of the night you run into a major problem that requires you to put your faith in someone you never met before and probably would never see again. But that person knocks himself out to do his job and helps you get on with yours." - Harold W. Coyle, Team Yankee

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