Avidity Arms PD10 - (are you paying attention S&W?)

Springfield made their 4 inch EMP pretty much to fill this niche.

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MrMurphy posted:

Springfield made their 4 inch EMP pretty much to fill this niche.

I've not heard much in real world actual reviews on these, just the fluff reviews/advertisement pieces in most crappy gun rags. So the question of actual usability and reliability are left wide open to me. If they work well I could see them filling this niche, and from a maker that has a decent reputation in 1911's (which is what the EMP really is) at least.

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CAE5 posted:

I think a 10 round single stack 9mm would sell well in magazine restricted states, also could appeal to females. The two combined are actually a fairly large market.

One of my buddies lives in Portland. According to him, SCCY is selling a fair number of their pistols. They're double stack 10's. A thinner grip is a good selling point.

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Haven't heard anything much bad about the standard EMP, adding a little barrel and grip shouldn't change that.

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Davey Doodle posted:
CAE5 posted:

I think a 10 round single stack 9mm would sell well in magazine restricted states, also could appeal to females. The two combined are actually a fairly large market.

One of my buddies lives in Portland. According to him, SCCY is selling a fair number of their pistols. They're double stack 10's. A thinner grip is a good selling point.

I haven't shot one, but the ergonomics aren't good.  doesn't feel very good in the hand and it is thick.  It is relatively cheap, which may account for the sales.  The object is not necessarily 10 rounds, but 10 is about the most you can fit in a standard size single stack mag. 

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shoobe01 posted:

It looks so much like the single stack Bersa (some pins even seem to be similarly located) I overlaid them in Photoshop. No go. But, there's that if you want a thin (8 round) 9 mm for cheap. Bersa's an okay company. 

Here ya go:

http://www.gunblast.com/Bersa-...tm?ballistics101.com

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Apparently they will be debuting at SHOT so I look forward to hearing about it here.

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I like my shield an with an 8 round mag, but have concerns about the magazines. Whole other thread about them. I don't really know why they used the tapered body and spring. A straight single mag would seem to eliminate some of the reported problems.  So far, I have not had issues with mine. Probably just jinxed myself.  I made a similar claim about 19 10 rounders and had two malfunctions at my next match. Unfortunately, for me I am very limited due to being in CA. 4 years 8 months to go before I can escape to NV. I seem to remember S&W had a single stack of the third gen  pistols, maybe I can get lucky and find one second hand.

 

 

 

 

The S&W magazine is slightly staggered.  I don't know how much longer it would have to be to fit 8 rds as a single stack, but they save some height.

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"I seem to remember S&W had a single stack of the third gen  pistols, maybe I can get lucky and find one second hand."

Any consideration to the Sig P239? Seems to check off your requirements. Other than the phlat stoopid, or just plane dum squared front strap it's a good, reliable blaster IMO.

 

 

 

 

 

A coworker has carried a 3913 3rd Gen for "many" years with nothing but spring replacement . For someone her size and in her particular role, its a solid choice. A Shield sized up to the 3913 would still sell.

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Remember the Gen 3 "Ladysmith" 39xx? I knew a few people who liked and suggested them as the frame shape was that much better if you are going with a smallish gun anyway.

Wish they worked on details like this anymore.  

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They did make a 3943. Aluminum frame, DAO. I like(d) their DAO system, but you have to be comfortable with that full on DA-like-a-revolver system. A 6943 an old guy at the range had was when I fell in love with the DAO, and how slick the gun is without levers. (I also buzzed down the slide lock on mine a bit to make it that much less poky).

To your question though S&W DID offer a decock-only option for the 3913. You would send the gun (preferably: all guns for your agency) to them, they machine something, and install a spring which returns the lever to fire. 

Later 3913 TSWs specifically came pre-machined for this mod, so you could get the conversion kit yourself and get it installed. No idea if these parts are available, but in principle you could do it. Or find one of these I guess, but AFAIK they are "3913 Decock Only" without a visible model number change; the system has no "slide mounted decocker" number.  

 

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21M posted:
SNDT1319 posted:

 

Avidity Arms

 

Who?

And that is exactly my hesitation with the gun.

If it was S&W, Glock, HK, etc coming out with this gun I would be a little more interested as I could see this size of a gun being an option for my wife. My wife prefers the G19, but when she carries it tends to be a G43. I could see a Glock in this size being a nice middle ground.

 

 

 

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I believe that there is a decock only variant of the 39XX, but don't recall the #. There is a string on the S&W forum about the 3rd generation pistols that would likely have that info. I would prefer DAO, but 1) that's personal and subjective, and 2) I am concerned about parts and service for these discontinued models.

239: I have one. It's clunky/chunky for what it is. I have not measured it, but it seems to be as fat in a fanny pack as my G19L (cut down 17).

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Doug Mitchell posted:

239: I have one. It's clunky/chunky for what it is. I have not measured it, but it seems to be as fat in a fanny pack as my G19L (cut down 17).

Right there is the  problem with the SIG 239/225 and 3913  single stacks, they are only slightly smaller than the double stacks.    I've been lured in by both the  3913 and  239  to only realize after spending a year or so with each that the G19 with only an added fraction here and there provides another 7 rounds.

Add the fact that the DA/SA trigger reach is the same for single and double stack (so they don't cater to small hands) and everyone seems to want striker fired and they  become  dead ends.

IIRC with the 3913 the slide and frame are both pretty slim, many preferred the Lady Smith because the grips were thinner and the pull length shorter. Like the front end of the standard 3913 better than the LadySmith or 908, just a lot more finished look, but I'm pretty sure the Lady Smith grips just drop on.

3913 vs. sheild

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