Backup Rear Iron Sights

If one was to purchase 50 backup rear iron sights to go on patrol rifles that will be receiving Aimpoint PRO's shortly:

 

What brand would you get, and why?

 

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Who would you order from?

 

 

Keeping in mind these will be going on patrol rifles used by cops who are not all "gun people". Really the BUIS are to check a box more than anything. That being said, they just need  to be simple and work well. Probably don't need 10 different flip up and ranging styles with 3 choices of aiming apertures. 

 

 

 

 

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the magpul plastic ones are pretty nice, and at the price they want for em you can afford to pick up extras or have some $ left over for light mounts, yea they're plastic but they work and hold up pretty well I run them on all my carbines and haven't broke one yet.

 

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I'm a huge fan of the Troy flip-up RSB, SKDTac has an exclusive model that locks windage securely. Brownell's has the standard BUIS and offers a good price.

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Just dont buy Yankee Hill like our armorer did.  Every other brand I own went on and needed minimal windage to zero.  Those YHM rears are all way over one way or the other.  Most are within one or two revolutions of maxing out windage.

I switched to the Daniel Defense A1.5 rear sight on my rifle. It's stupid simple, and not being a flip up there is one less thing to worry about doing if my Aimpoint dies (as unlikely as that is).

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We went with magpul when they were fairly new.  I have in no way regretted it.  I'd say we have 90 or so in service, and I have yet to see a single problem with them.  The windage knob is stiff and small enough that it doesn't get knocked out of whack, and people don't tend to turn them except when they need to.  The newer models are smaller, and I think same plane.  Again, not one broken unit, not one getting knocked out of zero, they are light, and inexpensive.  For an issue sight, I see nothing else that compares.  

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Originally Posted by dan187:

...Daniel Defense A1.5 rear sight...It's stupid simple...

 

Word.

 

Since you didn't mention anything about using magnifiers with the Aimpoints, then I ASSume that you don't need flip ups.

 

For the money, these are probably your best bet.  They are rugged, light weight, and streamlined.  It is impossible to accidentally bump the windage knob, and it has same plane apertures.  No special tools are needed to mount it to the weapon…basically a "cop proof" unit.

 

Just mount it, witness mark the fastening screw, and you're done.

 

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I went with DD 1.5 also. I am a fan of not having to flip anything up. Aimpoint H-1 is the Primary Sight. Here is the set up - also have ambi selector, norgon ambi mag release and Raptor CH. 

 

 

Boltgun

I use a LaRue LT103 but personally, after 3+ years of using the Matech on active duty, I still prefer the fold down rears for something like an Aimpoint, especially the Micro.

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The Matech's are easily bumped, but available stupid cheap online (used).  I too appreciate the fold-down capability.  If I was doing regular door-kicking, and had an EO-Tech, I would maybe be more concerned.  With an Aimpoint, I want front and rear folders, as the likelihood of it going down are pretty darn small and for the 98% of the time that it works flawlessly, I don't want to deal with the obscured field of view.  But keep in mind, I am a nobody.

 

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While Matech's can be found cheap online, so are KAC 200-600m USMC BUIS that is hands down 100% better. I think I picked mine up for $30 shipped, unissued.

 

Matech's are ok when new, but over time will malfunction and always stay in the up position. That and they're super easy to bump open.

 

For fixed BUIS I always liked LMT's but they're kinda pricy.

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Originally Posted by kaltesherz:

While Matech's can be found cheap online, so are KAC 200-600m USMC BUIS that is hands down 100% better. I think I picked mine up for $30 shipped, unissued.

 

Matech's are ok when new, but over time will malfunction and always stay in the up position. That and they're super easy to bump open.

 

For fixed BUIS I always liked LMT's but they're kinda pricy.

OP is posting about purchasing 50 units for Agency firearms. It would be problematic for them to purchase 50 KAC "USMC" marked sights that there is strong suggestion backing up that they are stolen property. You may want to do a search on it - or ask KevinB. 

 

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Originally Posted by Boltgun:
Originally Posted by kaltesherz:

While Matech's can be found cheap online, so are KAC 200-600m USMC BUIS that is hands down 100% better. I think I picked mine up for $30 shipped, unissued.

 

Matech's are ok when new, but over time will malfunction and always stay in the up position. That and they're super easy to bump open.

 

For fixed BUIS I always liked LMT's but they're kinda pricy.

OP is posting about purchasing 50 units for Agency firearms. It would be problematic for them to purchase 50 KAC "USMC" marked sights that there is strong suggestion backing up that they are stolen property. You may want to do a search on it - or ask KevinB. 

 

Boltgun 

Very true, but used Matech's would also most certainly be "liberated" as well. Still, you're 100% right that being USMC marked would be no bueno. My bad.

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I wasn't specifically recommending the Matech (i've seen the bumping issue myself), just that I prefer folding rears.

 

The KAC 600m rear is indeed awesome, but also overkill for most cop rifles.

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Originally Posted by kaltesherz:
Originally Posted by Boltgun:
Originally Posted by kaltesherz:

While Matech's can be found cheap online, so are KAC 200-600m USMC BUIS that is hands down 100% better. I think I picked mine up for $30 shipped, unissued.

 

Matech's are ok when new, but over time will malfunction and always stay in the up position. That and they're super easy to bump open.

 

For fixed BUIS I always liked LMT's but they're kinda pricy.

OP is posting about purchasing 50 units for Agency firearms. It would be problematic for them to purchase 50 KAC "USMC" marked sights that there is strong suggestion backing up that they are stolen property. You may want to do a search on it - or ask KevinB. 

 

Boltgun 

Very true, but used Matech's would also most certainly be "liberated" as well. Still, you're 100% right that being USMC marked would be no bueno. My bad.

NP - matech are available commercially though...hard use ones are likely ex-mil though

 

Boltgun

Yeah we need 50 of them. However, further thinking has likely answered this question for me, since we honestly only need them to "check the box" of having a backup to the Aimpoints. I'm not convinced they are even necessary, but the Magpuls are probably cheapest I would guess.

 

 

 

 

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I really like the Magpul MBUS Gen 2. They are the most impact-resistant of the rear BUIS that fold, of which I am aware, they are cost effective. They are idiot-proof (just pop it up/fold it down/leave it up, whatever). The aperture sizes are reasonable and useful.

If you haven't already thouht of it, how about issued magpuls, and one or two makes/models that are approved for individual purchase?

I like the magpul myself, but always like to give quality options.
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Originally Posted by LobsterClaw0351:
Yeah we need 50 of them. However, further thinking has likely answered this question for me, since we honestly only need them to "check the box" of having a backup to the Aimpoints. I'm not convinced they are even necessary, but the Magpuls are probably cheapest I would guess.

If your guys are like mine, some aimpoints will get knocked off zero.  I have seen it personally several times - both with the PRO mount and the Larue.  Your rifles will get dropped, and daily checks of the cowitness is an absolute necessity.  Naturally and of course, you will have guys that no matter how detailed your explanation of the necessity of the check - they will still not do it.  Also, you will have guys that will accidentally turn the switch to max power, and the battery will fail after a few months.  They won't notice this until they get to the range during a qual. 

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Originally Posted by ElbowsNC:

The main issue we had with our Matechs was that when folded they would pop up randomly when you fired, so it'd be distracting during a course of fire with an ACOG...bam...bam...BOING, the rear would pop up into your line of sight.  Not a huge fan.

yea I've seen them get to the point where they won't stay in the down position due to normal wear from deploying the sight and putting it back down, I couldn't recommend them at all.

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