Browning Hi Power

I have a 9mm 1911, and it's an incredible shooter. The lighter load in the heavy frame makes double taps just butter. That said, I'd take a 9mm Hi Power if I could find one in MA at an affordable price.

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Spacetaco posted:

Was the FNX line suppose to be an updated polymer bhp?

I had that dream. It didn't work out.

The FNX 9 is huge and blocky everywhere the BHP is svelte. It's a good choice if you want a Belgian USP without the aftermarket options and support. 

 

 

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A couple months ago I bought some BHP magazines from CDNN. I looked at them this morning before heading off to work and I dont see any markings. I want to say they are not MEC Gars, but since there are no markings I cant confirm, but what I can say is they work. The BHP I have is somewhat ammo sensative. It does not like the Federal American Eagle 115 gr I happen to have several k of, but my Glocks do. 

LPD "People ask the difference between a leader and a boss. . . The leader works in the open, and the boss in covert. The leader leads, and the boss drives." - Theodore Roosevelt

I seem to recall having problems with Blazer aluminum cased ammo with one Browning.  It would hand feed and extract just fine, just didn't work well when shooting.  That was a pain as I'd bought it specifically for a match that didn't allow you to recover brass for reloading.

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Mumbles, if you've got some extra cash, a good smith will clean that trigger right up.  I've got a Don Williams Mark III and a Garthwaite MKII.  And a Ted Yost built on a high power practical on the way.  I'd rate the custom trigger jobs on them as about 98% of a custom 1911.  Recoil is easy.   And some of the aftermarket safeties really make a different too.  I've got C&S on the williams. and the Garthwaite is perfect.  Don Williams recently said his turnarounds are about 90 days out for small work.  

 

Here's the Garthwaite I recently purchased.

 

 

Anyone know where I could get a Desantis "HRT" holster for for a Hi Power?  Or, alternately, a replica of one by a quality leather company?

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I'm using either Milt Sparks VM2 or one of the new Criterions.  And mumbles is right, for the most part, a Hi Power will fit a leather full size 1911 holster to about 95% and works quite well.  I did that once when I was waiting for some new gear to be delivered.

I went with a Milt Sparks VM2, both it and the magazine pouch  are a tight fit, but loosened  appropriately with a little use. 

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On the subject of magazines,  I've noticed Mec-gar mags in 15 round capacity - are there any reliability concerns with them over the 13 rounders? 

Thanks to this thread it reignited my desire to own a BHP, and now I'm just looking for mags and a quality kydex holster while I wait out the time frame to pick up.

The 15 round magazine is the same as the 13rd, they've just shortened the legs on the follower.  Yes, they are a concern, but no, no one has had any problems with them, making the fears imaginary.  When I first started shooting Brownings, reading everything I could, I would occasionally come across articles stating that the British commonly loaded only 12 rds in the 13rd mag...to improve reliability.  I continued to load 13 and never had an issue.  I bought a couple of 15 rd mags and haven't tested them yet personally, but I'm not worried.  Mec-Gar has a good reputation.

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I decided since this isn't a carry gun, I'd just get all 15 rounders and see what happens.  They've been backordered for a while though, and still no word on when they may show up.  I'm still making due with the single 13-rounder that came with the gun.

Mumbles posted:

I decided since this isn't a carry gun, I'd just get all 15 rounders and see what happens.  They've been backordered for a while though, and still no word on when they may show up.  I'm still making due with the single 13-rounder that came with the gun.

Midway USA has 15 rounders in stock

http://www.midwayusa.com/produ...ower-9mm-luger-steel

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It would be cool if Mec-gar used the same anti-friction coating and basepad design as their Beretta and Sig magazines.  Then you could get 17-20 round extended mags and a better finish than just the shiny blue.

Jason -------------------------------- "Consumer, how many times have you hankered for vegan mayonnaise only to realize you're not man enough to open the jar?" -- Bucky B. Katt

Our firearms testing facility closed down several years and there have been thousands of rounds and equipment languishing away in the storage rooms since that time.  

It all got transferred to our range a couple weeks ago and I just happened to stop by last week.  I was told to scavenge around the bags and boxes for anything I might be able to use and found 5 magazines of the same design.  With nothing to compare them to on hand, they looked suspiciously like BHP mags.

All 5 are 13 rounders that drop free and run (so far) w/o stoppage in a MKIII.  Jackpot! No markings on them and all are solid backs w no spring.  I have 10 of the factory spring models and you can put your eye out ejecting empties.

I have an earlier model of this Hoffners holster that covers the entire slide.  Very slim and keeps the hammer from digging into fat.     

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Rick R2 posted:
MoBrad posted:

http://www.nighthawkcustom.com...ls/browning-hi-power

That two-toned one makes me think sinful thoughts

That gun is sexy enough to make you kick any Combat Tupperware to the curb. 

A Ferrari is sexy, but I would still take my truck to the lumber yard. 

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Finally got my backordered mags from Midway.  Just got back from the range.  They solved most of the problems, but I seem to be having a new one, and I have no clue what's causing it or how to fix it.

It keeps locking back as if the mag is empty even though there are still rounds in the mag.  Certainly not every time, but it happened several times.  Enough that it wasn't just some crazy fluke.

I hold the gun very high, so it is possible that I am pushing the slide stop up unintentionally, but I don't think so.  If anything, I'd think that would cause the opposite problem and have it not lock back.

If you are pushing up on the slide stop, that definitely sounds like the problem.  Holding down on the slide stop would prevent it from locking back.  I highly doubt it is the magazine causing the problem.

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The rounds in the mag might could be contacting the slide stop lobe..happens in 1911's sometimes.

Try shooting it strong hand and weak hand only....watch your thumb placement...your grip is probably bumping the slide stop during recoil.

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 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

I've got a really weird issue with my Mk III.

I sent it out to have it's extractor replaced with a new one, got it back and now I can't get the slide on. The barrel is now slightly too low, so the bottom of it (by the feed ramp) hits the frame. It stops with about 3/4 of an inch to go.

How in the hell did this happen? I've recleaned the lugs and slide repeatedly, I just want to get this guy working again.

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I wonder if the new extractor is interfering with the barrel hood, preventing the barrel from seating completely in the slide??

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 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

Good point, that's the only thing that's changed- and I didn't consider how the barrel and it fit together.

Thanks, I'll check as soon as I get home. It's a C&S extractor so maybe it's oversized?

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Mumbles posted:

Finally got my backordered mags from Midway.  Just got back from the range.  They solved most of the problems, but I seem to be having a new one, and I have no clue what's causing it or how to fix it.

It keeps locking back as if the mag is empty even though there are still rounds in the mag.  Certainly not every time, but it happened several times.  Enough that it wasn't just some crazy fluke.

I hold the gun very high, so it is possible that I am pushing the slide stop up unintentionally, but I don't think so.  If anything, I'd think that would cause the opposite problem and have it not lock back.

http://www.lightfighter.net/to...ower-lock-back-issue

I had the same problem. Figured it to be my left thumb contacting the slide stop.

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That's got to be it, Malpaso.  Only thing that makes sense.  Next time I'm at the range, I'll be paying special attention to that.  On the G19, it's the opposite problem I sometimes have - grip pinning the slide stop down.  But that large, external stop on the Hi Power must be getting contacted somewhere that pushes it up instead of holding it down.

R. Moran nailed it- turns out the C&S extractors are now oversize, so Don made a small clearance cut on the rear of my barrel. Got it back yesterday and put about 6-7 mags through it with no issues, so once again my Hi Power can beat up your Hi Power.  I still can't believe how accurate it is, we were shooting tighter groups than my buddies H&K P7. 

When I was carrying it regularly I couldn't carry a spare mag as the rear corners of the baseplate would cut into my sides. Someone on another forum suggested OEM Beretta 92 plastic replacement base plates and sure enough they fit perfectly. They look a little out of place when inserted (see below), but more importantly after carrying a spare mag these days I don't feel like a kidney is going to fall out when I get home.

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If anyone is in the market, there is an ad posted in for sale section of the S&W forum. I will not post the link, but you can find it pretty easily. It was posted at 1750 today. I have nothing to do with the sale and don't know the seller.

Text of ad: 

"Thanks for looking. This is a very handsome pistol in the not so common hard chrome/satin nickel finish. This is a 1995 production gun with the original box, papers, and extra magazine....everything included from when new. I have never shot the gun, this was an extra...I have another just like it, so I am not sure why I bought it. I guess I just like them. It is in EC+, but there are a couple of small handling/storage/box marks on the left side. Any questions, please ask via a PM. As pictured, $1150 OBO. I am located in Illinois. I would prefer a FTF, but I will ship FFL-to-FFL for $40."

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I have two: one WWII manufacture with the Nazi stamps and another Inglis that was a Chinese contract gun.  I'd like to get a more modern one with the external extractor with an eye toward later customization.  Are any of the FN manufacture external extractor pistols suitable, or should I look for something specific?

UPDATE : I bought a "Grade C" MkII from Cole Distributors. Finish is beat to crap, bore is mirror. Unfortunately, I already bought a Bar-Sto barrel for it.  Soon as I get some more gun scratch together, I'm going to order a bunch of parts from Cylinder and Slide.

Does anyone know where to get a Novak front sight with a tritium insert? I'm fine with the plain black rear, but would like something to catch the eye. Once I get the parts installed, I'm going to send it to Mook at Rampart for a good Cerakote job.  

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KOAM, they're probably fine. Any of the FN or Browning marked external extractor guns in good condition will be ok.   A good thing to think about is matching the hipower series to your customization goals.  The Garthwaite HiPower I posted above is sort of an "elegant gun."  It's based on a C-series (1974).  The C and T-series frames are very desirable for high end customs (T-series more so).  I liked mine for more of an "Heirloom" kind of gun.  It's really nice to shoot, and you can feel the difference between the forged the more modern cast frames.  then I have a Don Williams MKIII cast frame.  That's really the gun that I just work.  The cast frames will typically have a longer service life.   I think of the forged frames for the "fancy" customs and the cast frames as good for "working" builds.  My only exception to that is the cast frame "Practical" hipowers from the mid-90s.  If you want to get your gun checkered instead of stippled, this is  a good option, as it doesn't have the serial on the front strap.  I've seen a couple of examples of checkered with the serial on the front strap, but I don't think the top guys will do that.  I've got a practical at Ted Yost's place waiting for an all-out build with checkering.  Only 6 more months to wait. Or so.

 

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Gaddafi’s golden gun could be a gateway to riches

  • Anthony Loyd
  • The Times
  • 12:00AM June 7, 2016

Muammar Gaddafi’s golden gun, a 9mm Browning.

Nothing moves fast in Libya. Five years on, the reverberations of the revolution have yet to play out, and the desert, distances and divisions of this country combine to ensure that there is time enough for some serious war tourism.

And so it is that I find myself in the back of a Toyota Land Cruiser in Misratah with Muammar Gaddafi’s golden gun in my hands.

I am not a gun freak, but there is an undeniable fascination to golden guns and their human folly: the mix of power, wealth, vanity and violence.

The golden Derringer belonging to Francisco Scaramanga, James Bond’s antagonist in The Man with the Golden Gun, is merely a milestone in the history of gold-plated weaponry.

The story of Adolf Hitler’s 7.65 Walther, with AH embossed on its ivory grips, predated Ian Fleming’s novel by 20 years, and outdoes it for mystery and drama. Seized by US officer Ira “Teen” Palm during an audacious, little-known raid to kill Hitler in the last days of the war, Hitler’s golden gun was later stolen in the US, reappearing and vanishing several times before a West Coast collector finally acquired it.

Saddam Hussein’s family diminished the thrall of the golden gun with their brand of vulgarity. The Iraqi dictator and his sons possessed so many golden guns, mostly AK-47s, that no one could actually lay claim to Saddam’s personal weapon. (When he was pulled from his spider hole in December 2003, Saddam was armed with a regular Glock 18c, now on display in the Oval Office).

There was no doubt, however, that the 9mm Browning Hi-Power passed to me in Misratah last week by Mohammed Elbibi, 22, was indeed the weapon that slipped from Gaddafi’s grasp in the final minutes of his life.

Mr Elbibi’s ownership of it has given him a degree of fame that began when he was photographed on October 20, 2011, holding the gun on the shoulders of fighters in Sirte. Many thought he had killed the tyrant, though he said: “I didn’t do it, I was just there.”

Omran Shaaban, a fighter filmed grabbing Gaddafi from a culvert, died in a NATO airstrike in 2012 and may well have taken the killer’s identity to his grave. In the uncertain currents of today’s Libya, no one wants to advertise their role in the dictator’s death.

Mr Elbibi, then just 17 but already twice wounded, ignored the crowd raging around their captive, and walked away to examine Gaddafi’s blasted convoy. “I found the pistol in the sand beside Gaddafi’s car,” he said simply, handing me the weapon, its walnut grip embossed with a profile of Libyan ­national hero Omar Mukhtar.

Mr Elbibi said he had no intention of taking up arms in the war against Islamic State. “No way!” he said, tracing shrapnel scars on one shoulder. “I want to travel, hang out, listen to music. I’ve had enough war.”

Two years ago, he said, he was offered 400,000 Libyan dinars ($385,000) by a man representing Gaddafi’s surviving family in exile to buy back the golden gun. “I didn’t fight for our freedom just to sell Gaddafi’s gun back to his family, so I decided to hold on to it, no matter how much they offered.”

Collectors should not give up hope, though. Everything has its price, and as we continued talking of the day Gaddafi died, Mr Elbibi returned to the subject of the gun’s value. “Now you’ve got me thinking again about how much its worth,” said. “Maybe I’ll think again about selling it one day.”

The Times

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I'd like to get a set of Heine sights installed on my project Hi Power. Heine states that the slide needs to be machined in order to accept the sights. They offer the service for a little less than $200.  Is that a reasonable cost? The two other places I saw offering a similar service online were around that.

Any recommendations would be welcomed.

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Jojos could do it brother.  I'll get a price if you'd like one.

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