Browning Hi Power

The more I shoot this gun, the more I love it.  I wish someone made a frame with a rail machined into the slide, I'd make it my carry gun.  I'm not carrying a gun without a light.

Actually, I'm reasonably confident that if I had access to a mill, and someone welded up enough metal for me to work with, I could machine a decent rail into one.

Mumbles posted:

The more I shoot this gun, the more I love it.  I wish someone made a frame with a rail machined into the slide, I'd make it my carry gun.  I'm not carrying a gun without a light.

Actually, I'm reasonably confident that if I had access to a mill, and someone welded up enough metal for me to work with, I could machine a decent rail into one.

 Its been done, brother. There are various add on rails out there, just like for non railed 1911's. Check out Garthwrite. C&S has a polymer one, and Railtec(?) has one that attaches with permanent adhesive...shit what do you have to loose with that...can be removed with acetone.

While I'm with you on a rail on a gun, I often carry w/o a light attached..or guns w/o a rail. Just reality for me. 

On the BHP, I'm thinking a rail and light might ruin one of the best attributes of the gun...it's svelte..if you add a light, you might as well just go to a G19(I traded my last BHP, a FN-SA for an OD G19, that I traded to M4Guru for who remembers...sigh). Maybe it would do well with the SureFire compact light.

 If I can ever get Matt E off his ass and send me his BHP..an Israeli bring import, IIRC..maybe I'll send it to JoJo's for a trigger job and Novak sights

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If you go back a couple of pages, there's a pic of mine with a Garthwaite rail on it(as well as a comp, x300, and 20 round mag) granted it is no longer streamlined but it handles with a smooth balance that rivals or surpasses my nighthawk rail. When I first got it (cheap on auction) it already had the comp so svelt was shot already since they had modded the slide. I decided to  go a bit more in line with the old school beretta 93r  I kept reading of as a kid. The front grip wouldn't be worth the paperwork and a light had more function and 20 found mags balance the weight of the 300U . It shoots smooth and flat, no hiccups. It has inspired a few friends  to follow in its footsteps. It is my bump on the night gun.

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I have been a fan of the Hi Power for some time. Until recently the only ones I have had were older models and a few FEG copies.

I recently traded for a brand new 2015 production MK3. When my FFL brought it over to my house he remarked how forcefully the magazine ejected from the gun when the magazine release is pushed. 

Looking closely at the magazine I observed a tiny wire spring that is depressed when inserted. When the magazine release is pressed the magazine literally shoots out of the magazine well. 

This is probably old news to many.

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Linz posted:

I mentioned here before upgrading my tatty BHP.

I've tried googling who sells BHP MkIII slides with no luck.  Plenty of complete MkIII...but not the slide.

Have I missed a source?

Cheers

 

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/604162256

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/604646402

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lpd5408 posted:

I have been a fan of the Hi Power for some time. Until recently the only ones I have had were older models and a few FEG copies.

I recently traded for a brand new 2015 production MK3. When my FFL brought it over to my house he remarked how forcefully the magazine ejected from the gun when the magazine release is pushed. 

Looking closely at the magazine I observed a tiny wire spring that is depressed when inserted. When the magazine release is pressed the magazine literally shoots out of the magazine well. 

This is probably old news to many.

 

Interesting.  One of the drawbacks of the HP (at least our issue ones) is that the mags don't drop away from the pistol like a 1911 - they need to be "helped" out with the fingers of the left hand.

Joined sometime in 2008.                  Live in Canada.        

I carried a HP .40 as duty gun for several years a little over a decade ago and it had the little mouse trap springs on the magazines .  I called the auto-ejector mags. If they were less than half full the spring would pop the magazine out on the floor if the mag release was pushed while the pistol was in the holster.

Dorsai posted:
Linz posted:

I mentioned here before upgrading my tatty BHP.

I've tried googling who sells BHP MkIII slides with no luck.  Plenty of complete MkIII...but not the slide.

Have I missed a source?

Cheers

 

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/604162256

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/604646402

Thanks Dorsai- I was hoping for a new/as new slide but if only second hand one are available...

I haven't had a chance to read through this whole discussion, but I'd like to upgrade my old Hi-Power. I've had a real hard time finding anywhere (besides GunBroker) to buy the improved grips that are on the Mark II in the original post (with the curved groove for the palm / thumb. I think Brownell's or Midway used to list them, but I can't seem to find them now. It seems like an item that shouldn't be that difficult to obtain. Thanks!

Dave

3ACR,

You might want to check Novak's or the other shops that both supply and customize the P35's.  They might have a bin of the  recent factory grips they have replace with more attractive ones. 

Of course, maybe not too .  Good luck. 

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Interesting coincidence seeing this thread, as I received an email today from Browning asking me if I was still interested in the employee purchase of a MkIII that I ordered some time in 2014 (may even have been 2013). It said "handguns do take a while to get." Get? You guys make the damn things. Where did you have to "get" it from? Anyway, I passed on it, despite the employee pricing, I guess the Glock 17 will have to do. They are also easier to "get".

Mark

Formerly known as ML

Sure would be interesting to know the employee pricing.  I've never bought a new Hi-Power.  I think I've owned 4 off and on, but I'm down to two.  All surplus, used guns.

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Nice.

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Mark

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After all that searching around, the grips showed back up as in stock at Brownell's, at the same time as they announced a free shipping code ("M4E"), and Glock 17 magazines went on sale for $18.99! I've been going back and fixing up some of my first pistols (Glock originally came with 10-rounders), so I managed to kill two birds with one stone today.

I'm kind of a purist when I'm modifying / upgrading pistols that aren't my primaries (I just want to have an example of that particular model to shoot occasionally), so that was my reason for looking for the factory grips, even if they may not be the best. On that note, is this extended safety only available as an ambidextrous safety, or is there a left side-only version (preferably blued) of the same lever?

http://www.brownells.com/handg...chrome-prod2856.aspx

There are so many Browning parts out there that it's hard to sift through them all on the web. Thanks!

Dave

I can't look at your link on my company computer (weapons!!), but if it is the factory extended safety, there isn't a left side only variant.  However, the right side lever is attached by a roll pin through the lever and the shaft, so if don't want the right side, don't install it.  Cut down the shaft and smooth it off so you've got just a bump on the right side.

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Mark

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Never hint at what you really feel

Teach the children quietly For some day sons and daughters

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Joined:  2/24/2003                          Location:  Nevada, USA

I've got a weird one, and I'm hoping that someone here will understand what I have and what I need.

I bought a HP frame at an excellent price. The markings indicate WWII manufacture.  My barrel from my MkII and a WWII marked barrel both fit the lug like a glove.  I purchased an internal extractor slide. It will not go onto the frame.  Neither barrel will fit into the slide, appearing to be too large in the chamber area. I then tried my MkII slide, and it wouldn't work either.  

The way I have understood these pistols, is that there were internal extractor and external extractor models, and most of the parts of one were not compatible with the other. I am trying to figure out what type of slide I need to finish the project, or whether I should just sell it.  

I have researched the topic on a couple of other forums with zero success. Any help anyone can provide will be appreciated.  Thank you in advance.

"Hold my beer and watch this"

This discussion inspired me to track down new grips for my old Hi-Power (the corner was broken off one of the originals) and take it out to the range yesterday for the first time in probably a decade.  I may have posted about this pistol here years ago when I was trying to identify the markings, but I think it was on another forum.  I picked it up at a pawn shop outside Fort Knox back in 2003 for somewhere around $350, I think - I didn't know much about them but just wanted a plain-Jane example of this classic pistol.  It's definitely seen some use and has a few dings, pitting, etc, but I still enjoy having it around.  Hopefully the photos work...

It has a 6-digit serial number that doesn't seem to fit in any listings I've found, so I'm guessing that it was originally part of a police or military production batch.  The markings are very basic, more so than commercial examples I've seen, and it has an interesting candlestick (I think) stamping on the barrel and trigger guard:

 

It also has this small "T*" marking on the slide:

I believe this is an import marking?  I recall reading when I originally bought the pistol that this was the authorized importer in Savannah, GA:

Simple Browning slide marking:

This is the one serious ding on the pistol - not sure how someone did this to the rear sights, but it looks like they dropped it perfectly on some kind of hard edge, or maybe banged into something while the pistol was holstered. It doesn't really affect my sight picture - it's just kind of unsightly:

I'm curious if anyone has ever seen these types of markings and can offer a rough guess as to where it was made and the timeframe.  I've always figured it was a '60s / '70s era police pistol, but I haven't been able to find any information about it.

Now for the brief range report: I fired 50 rounds of Federal Champion 115 gr FMJ through it yesterday, using the original 13-round magazine that came with it. I can't report too much on its accuracy - I was just test firing it on a used target, and I've been struggling with the bad habit of overcompensating for recoil (pulling down and left) which I developed in the last couple years.  I had two malfunctions that I'm thinking are extractor related. The first was a failure to extract the spent casing, and the slide jammed the next round in behind the empty casing.  I was unable to drop the magazine and had to lock the slide back first. The second malfunction happened on the last round of the day: the slide locked back on the empty magazine, but the casing was left sitting loose on top of the follower  - it had extracted but not ejected properly. I'm guessing this old pistol could use a new extractor and/or spring. One thing I'd forgotten about the Hi-Power is how small the ejection port is; it's a real contrast between this classic pistol and contemporary designs.

A few final thoughts:

The slide is really narrow compared to today's pistols - it feels strange, but kind of sleek, to have the fat double-stacked grip combined with narrow upper part of the frame and the slide. It's very comfortable to point and shoot, and I'm amazed by how smooth the trigger feels compared to the Glock 17 and USP Compact I shot prior to the Hi-Power yesterday.  Maybe this is due to its age and the many rounds that probably went through it over the years (this is the only Hi-Power I have any experience with). The safety has to be replaced - it works but needs a lot of effort to manipulate it. I may go with the Browning ambidextrous version as Mark discussed above. I doubt I'll use this pistol very often, but as I said, I like having an example of this classic handgun in the collection.

Dave

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