Colt new 1911 releases - 9mm, 10mm, .45ACP

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Starting with updates to the Colt Gold Cup, it will now be the Gold Cup Trophy and will come in both .45 ACP and 9mm. The next two pictures give their specifications.

 

 


Yamil gives his impressions of the Gold Cup Trophy in the video below:




Now to the big boomer - the Colt Delta Elite Rail in 10mm. As Yamil says, this is really just a modification of the Delta Elite as only the rail feature is added.


The final three 1911s are variations on the Colt Commander including a new Wiley Clapp LW Commander in 9mm and a reintroduction of the Combat Commander. Their specs are below:

 

 

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I wonder what the price will look like for these.  I'm especially interested in the 9mm variants.

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I think Colt could cover almost all of their gunfighting 1911's with a few variations of the 5" Govt model and the CCO type guns.

A Rail gun/Combat unit gun for duty and a similarly set up CCO for off duty/carry

Throw in  non railed LW Govt model for in between...

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I love the Commander format.  I will eventually own one.  I like the 9mm option.

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If that  Wiley Clapp model had a bobtail frame I'de be all over it.

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I can't wait to get a 9mm Wiley clapp LW commander. I will probably get a combat commander in 9mm  too. The new cobra;  ahh no. Needs a lightweight alloy frame, hammer shroud  and crimson trace boot grips . If they built that I'd be on it like a fat kid and donuts. 

And while I'm wishing 

-1911 combat unit with LW frame

- 1911 LW commander  rail gun


 

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If a 9mm CCO LW will run it will almost be the size and weight of the old Star BM which if it was reliable would be the single stack 9mm cool guy gun.

Star BMs can be very reliable.... with steel ammo.   I have been working on one for quite awhile and while it tends to get the occasional failure to extract with brass ammo it is 100% with steel cases.   I think it has to do with the rough nature of the cases.  

Anyhow I love that gun.  If only companies would do a remake with the same dimensions. 

When I first was starting to think about Law Enforcement in the early 80's as a career, the back up of choice for many Officers I knew was the Star PD or BKM.  They were about the perfect fit. As far as the new Colts, a lw Commander in 9mm would be on my list. I had one in .45 in the mid 90's for off duty use. Should have never traded it.

Is there any expected difference in service life between the aluminum framed guns and the steel framed ones? I would assume that the aluminum ones are less durable in the long run.

Also, is the 80 series firing pin safety noticeable while shooting?  I've never shot an 80 series, and always figured the "simpler is better" with the 70 series. 

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I was issued a  series 80 colt gov 1911 by my police department.  Patrol got government models. Detectives got LW commanders. I carried a LW commander for backup and off duty. 

Most if my 1911s are colts. I have both series 80 and series 70. For a duty gun I would want series 80.  Police officer guns get dropped too often. 

The only parts breakage I saw were several of the colt MIM thumb safety's breaking off. I believe guys we're doing this by bracing the gun against the 25 yard barricade and the gun was hitting the barricade during recoil. The Wilson ambi safeties did not have this problem but ambi safeties fail in the middle. I never had this problem but I've seen it more than a few times. Sometimes parts breakage was from the user doing things they were told not to. One guy needed his extractor replaced twice. He was throwing the loose round directly in the chamber to load like it was an 870.  Most problems were do to dropping them or hitting them off door frames. Sights knocked loose. We put 10-8 rear sights on. A witness mark with a paint pen  is a good idea on the rear sight.  Most of the guys didn't like the 10-8 sights. They wanted three dot night sights even though they shot like old people fuck. Slow and careful which is better than spray and pray. 

I never noticed a difference in 1911 triggers on a self defense gun. I.e. Triggers between 4-5 pounds. 

For my me; I train with the steel frame guns and most often carry the LW frame guns. It's easier to carry the LW.  Suspenders and a belt if carrying the steel frame. 

Ever since colt cut cut the roof off the window on the frame rail I haven't heard of frames cracking. I change recoil springs often. 

I will buy a couple of the new 9mm LW commanders and plan on shooting them a lot. I'm not worried about the frames.

1911s are expensive  and addicting. I have more than I need and not as many as I want. I compare them to corvettes.

the Wiley clapp models are a great deal. If you want to move up but not go crazy checkout the dan wessons. 

I retired after 19.5 years carrying a 1911 but the Department just dumped them to go VP9s.  Me and the other armorer retired and the new kids wanted a modern gun. When I retired we issued colt 1911 rail guns, had an 870 and a colt 6940 with an aimpoint T1 in each car.  Now I heard they want tavors. Kids

i think the rail gun w light was just too heavy for the new guys on their hips. I wish colt made a LW rail gun. I have a Springfield armory 10-8 LW rail gun and it's awesome .

personally with what they are facing today they should have kept the 1911s and bought each officer a set of rifle plates and a carrier; and give the youngster a lot more training. A lot of it is confidence . They need to believe in themselves and what they carry


 

I've owned a whole bunch of 1911s, most of them custom and with "refined" triggers.

Never was able to feel any difference with the ser 80 parts.

When I took the Colt Model "O" (1911) armorer class from Ken Elmore (he knows a thing or two about them, far beyond what the lesson plan entailed), he talked about it and showed us on a cutaway model how it really doesn't affect the trigger pull.  I can't do it justice to describe it but I saw it for myself when he explained it and I got to play with the cutaway. 

If you want a bo-mar type sight, it has to be located farther to the rear on a ser 80 to clear the mechanism.  And it's slightly harder to disassemble/reassemble, but not much. 

Not as bad as a ser 80 Gold Cup with the extra spring to prevent sear/trigger bounce, but I got good that that after awhile, too.

prestonoconnor posted:

The only parts breakage I saw were several of the colt MIM thumb safety's breaking off. I believe guys we're doing this by bracing the gun against the 25 yard barricade and the gun was hitting the barricade during recoil. The Wilson ambi safeties did not have this problem but ambi safeties fail in the middle. I never had this problem but I've seen it more than a few times.

As an FYI, JoJo's is replacing MIM ambi safeties with Kimber ambis. Surprising, yes, but they swear by them. They did it on my S&W 1911

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Malpaso posted:
prestonoconnor posted:

The only parts breakage I saw were several of the colt MIM thumb safety's breaking off. I believe guys we're doing this by bracing the gun against the 25 yard barricade and the gun was hitting the barricade during recoil. The Wilson ambi safeties did not have this problem but ambi safeties fail in the middle. I never had this problem but I've seen it more than a few times.

As an FYI, JoJo's is replacing MIM ambi safeties with Kimber ambis. Surprising, yes, but they swear by them. They did it on my S&W 1911

I had heard quite some time ago that the Kimber safeties were MIM, is this not true?

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MOJONIXON posted:
Malpaso posted:
prestonoconnor posted:

The only parts breakage I saw were several of the colt MIM thumb safety's breaking off. I believe guys we're doing this by bracing the gun against the 25 yard barricade and the gun was hitting the barricade during recoil. The Wilson ambi safeties did not have this problem but ambi safeties fail in the middle. I never had this problem but I've seen it more than a few times.

As an FYI, JoJo's is replacing MIM ambi safeties with Kimber ambis. Surprising, yes, but they swear by them. They did it on my S&W 1911

I had heard quite some time ago that the Kimber safeties were MIM, is this not true?

I asked them to replace all MIM parts. They replaced all the internals, and also swapped the ambi safety for a Kimber. I was under the impression that because of that, it would not have been MIM. I could be mistaken, as I did not ask that specifically. I'd be interested to know the answer.

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Reading on 10-8 performance, just being MIM doesn't make it bad.  Quality varies like everything else.

http://www.10-8performance.com...11-for-Duty-Use.html

"The quality of the factory components will come into play when looking for a gun to use more or less out of the box. MIM (Metal Injection Molded) components, which have received an excess of attention in recent years, tend to vary in quality like anything else, but they can generally be expected to have a useable service life of 5,000 to 10,000 rounds. Some quality MIM components work exceedingly well, and I personally have witnessed a large number of guns with MIM small parts where service life has exceeded 30-40,000 rounds. Budget grade small parts that are "good enough" for a hobby level gun that may not get used very much are unacceptable for a service pistol where we should reasonably expect a service cycle of 3-10,000 rounds per year for 3-5 years. Be honest with your math in calculating your round count, as this article is meant to help you choose a reliable service weapon, not a fun time plinker for Sundays at the range."

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I bought the first kimber classic I saw back in 90's for about 500 bucks new. I eventually had two matte classics, a stainless classic and a CDP ? LW government . All series I. I wouldn't carry any of the series II.  They were good base 1911s that I planned on sending to gunsmiths someday. I broke two MIM firing pin stops and 1 slide stop on the one I shot a lot. I called kimber and they just mailed me replacements.

I traded them all of my kimbers  this past summer for 3 colt Wiley clapps- one each -LW commander, Stainless  commander, a government model and a colt combat unit. I am a colt fan boy but these new colts are super nice.


 

Colt does make one or they did. I have a blued LW government model I bought a few years ago.  I was going to carry it on duty. my back started giving me trouble and I trying to get my duty belt as light as possible. Then we switched to colt rail guns. Thank you baby Jesus for safariland curved duty belts. I really wish colt would make a LW rail gun. Specifically a LW combat unit and an LW commander rail gun


 

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