Congressman Proposes allowing CMP to sell 1911's

If you want to have a bit of fun, head to some of the 1911 oriented websites. The ones that are in it for collection purposes are loosing their collective shit about the values of their collectable 1911s going down when these hit the CMP.

 

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I was at the U.S. Embassy Mogadishu from Feb-Jul, 1994.

There was a State Department-backed program to train Somali police to  do...well...police stuff.  It didn’t work out though, as U.S. forces pulled out in March of that year and the city literally went to shit.

Part of the support package for the training were several crates of pristine govt. model 1911A1s.  When the program was cancelled, the pistols, along with scores of M16s, were dumped in the ocean on a helicopter run.

And when we arrived at Norfolk NAS in a C-141, we walked off the ramp, loaded our pallets onto a couple stakebeds, and went to the barracks.   No Customs process either in Mombassa or upon entry.

I still shake my head when contemplating that situation.

It is better that they do it imperfectly than that you do it perfectly. For it is their war and their country and your time here is limited.

 

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POSREP: UAE

^ That's the kind of shit that infuriates me. If you brought it with you, bring it back. Like there wont be another program like that one day that they will have to equip? Then they'll just buy a pallet of Glocks and do the same thing when they cancel it. That's why we are in so much damn debt. Yeah, I know, small potatoes, but there are millions of examples of this kind of shit with government, and not just weapons related. 

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CWM11B posted:

^ That's the kind of shit that infuriates me. If you brought it with you, bring it back. Like there wont be another program like that one day that they will have to equip? Then they'll just buy a pallet of Glocks and do the same thing when they cancel it. That's why we are in so much damn debt. Yeah, I know, small potatoes, but there are millions of examples of this kind of shit with government, and not just weapons related. 

When I was leaving Haiti, I asked the same about a lot of gear we were leaving behind...nothing like guns.

I was told the cost to delouse/disinfect that stuff was more then it was worth to bring back.

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 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

I've heard that about other miscellaneous things, as well.

It boggles my mind that equipment can be so cheap and expendable.

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I can get infested stuff, God knows I dealt with enough Hatians during their mass exodus in 91/92.  But plenty of it is just laziness. Another example was watching all those Hueys getting pushed overboard from carriers as we left Vietnam.

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I am fairly certain that our platoon sergeant, who wore one of them in his Eagle SAS MKIII during the deploy, came home with it, old skool style.

It is better that they do it imperfectly than that you do it perfectly. For it is their war and their country and your time here is limited.

 

                                                                                                                        —T. E. Lawrence

 

 

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SingleStack posted:

I discovered a U.S. Army WW2 "bring back" form in a recent acquisition; I'm looking for it!

 

My neighbor acquired a late war Walther P-38 in a GI shoulder holster, with the WW2 "bring back" papers.

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107,000 Repatriated Garands and Milsurp 1911s on CMP Racks

107,000 Repatriated Garands and  1911s on CMP Racks

U.S.A. –-(Ammoland.com)- The Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) said it has received shipment of nearly 100,000 repatriated M1 Garand rifles to replenish nearly depleted stocks of U.S. military surplus rifles sold the past two decades to eligible American citizens. In addition, the Secretary of the Army recently released approximately 8,000 much-anticipated M1911/M1911A1 pistols to the CMP.

“We’re excited to have the guns,” CMP Chief Operating Officer Mark Johnson said. “We’ve been working on getting them for several years, and it’s the first shipment of guns we’ve received in quite some time.” 

Loaners come home 

The repatriated M1 Garands (about 86,000 from the Philippines and 13,000 from Turkey) went on loan to those countries following WWII under the Military Assistance Program (MAP). Under the Obama administration repatriation was never on the table; in those years CMP worked quietly with the U.S. Army, preparing to eventually receive the repatriated rifles and surplus pistols. Last week’s receipt of the firearms is the culmination of long effort and a wait-and-see attitude by CMP. 

Semi-automatic Garands with a fixed capacity of eight rounds are obsolete for military purposes and they now enjoy collector and “collector-shooter” status among American riflemen, especially for those who participate in CMP As-Issued Garand competitions. The U.S. Army has turned them over to CMP for subsequent sale to eligible individuals. The practice at CMP is to clean, carefully inspect, and test fire every firearm to ensure safe and proper operation.  A price is set based upon its overall condition with a few select rifles garnering higher, collector-status prices.

“We’ve already begun on the Turkish rifles,” Johnson said. “They’re already filtering into the system and there are some on the racks for sale now.” Of note to collectors, he said the Turk and Filipino Garands are indistinguishable from any other M1 Garand. “We haven’t seen any kind of markings thus far, nothing to identify what country had them,” he said. 

Pistols, too 

M1911/M1911A1 pistols will also go to eligible citizens through CMP sales on a lottery basis. CMP posts eligibility requirements for pistol and rifle purchases on its website -- those requirements include proof of U.S. citizenship, participation in marksmanship activities and membership in a CMP affiliated club, and passing an FBI NICS criminal background check. In the case of the M1911/M1911A1 pistols, buyers must pass two NICS checks: one at CMP and a second at the Federal Firearms License dealer where they pick up the shipped handgun. 

Sales of milsurp arms was historically through the U.S. Army Director of Civilian Marksmanship (DCM) via the NRA. Congress closed the DCM in 1996 and chartered the non-profit Corporation for the Promotion of Rifle Practice and Firearms Safety (now called the CMP).  The Army transferred remaining stocks of surplus firearms and ammunition to CMP to sell for income to support itself. Late last year Johnson said CMP expected to sell the last of those remaining milsurp M1 Garands by 2019; this eleventh-hour receipt of the Garands and M1911/M1911A1 pistols is a big financial shot in the arm for CMP. 

More to come? 

While the present 107,000 surplus rifles and pistols are good news for CMP, collectors, and competitors, there is more on the horizon. South Korea has approximately 80,000 M1 Garands and about 600,000 M1 Carbines sold directly to them under the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) Program.  South Korea aborted an attempt to sell those firearms to U.S. importers a few years ago.  CMP is hopeful that these will also eventually be repatriated and passed on to the American citizen.

Here's what's on the CMP site today:

 

http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/1911-information/

 

The latest information on the 1911's will be posted on this page. 

If you would like to sign up for our Sales Email Updates, please visit thecmp.org/email/.

MAY 9, 2018

While the National Defense Authorization Act granted transfer of a maximum of 10,000 1911s per year to the CMP, the Secretary of the Army allowed only 8,000 1911s to be transferred to the CMP for sale and distribution this fiscal year. Some of those are anticipated to be unusual and worthy of being auctioned. The remaining number will be sold based on a computerized Random Number Generator.

The CMP does not know what next year’s allotment might be.

THE PROCEDURES FOR PURCHASING 1911 TYPE PISTOLS FROM CMP 1911

Every applicant will be treated as a new customer to CMP.  

Previous purchases or relationships with CMP create no advantage or disadvantage to the customer.  

CMP 1911 is an FFL governed operation and is a separate entity from CMP and has its own record keeping operation with no ties to the existing CMP records.  

 

CMP 1911 CUSTOMER PURCHASE DETAILS:

  1. CMP 1911 order form packet will be posted on the CMP website thecmp.org on 4 June 2018 for download – click on CMP 1911 icon.
  2. CMP 1911 customer service number is 256-835-8455 extension 461.
  3. CMP 1911 customer service email address cmp1911@thecmp.org.
  4. Only ONE CMP 1911 order form packet per customer may be submitted.
  5. CMP 1911 order form packet must be mailed to the following address. This includes USPS, UPS, Fed Ex, etc. Orders must be postmarked NOT PRIOR TO 4 September 2018 and NOT AFTER 4 October 2018.  Any orders received postmarked prior to September 4 will not be accepted.  Hand delivered, emailed and faxed orders will not be accepted. Only orders sent to the following CMP 1911 address will be accepted:     

CMP 1911
1800 Roberts Drive
Anniston, AL 36207

  1. Customer names from complete CMP 1911 order form packets will be fed into a computerized Random Number Generator on 5 October 2018. The Random Number Generator will provide a list of names in sequential order through the random picking process. Customers will be contacted in the sequence provided by the Random Number Generator. The CMP 1911 customers will select their grade of pistol (Service, Field or Rack) from available inventory at the time of order notification. Customers with higher numbers may have fewer grades from which to choose. When this year’s allotment of 1911s is exhausted, the remaining orders will be held in the existing sequence for all future allotments of 1911s. The CMP does not know what future allotments might be.

 

CMP 1911 FFL CONTACT INFORMATION DETAILS:

All 1911’s will be shipped to a 01, 02 or 07 Federal Firearms License. Customers MUST provide a signed copy of the 01, 02 or 07 FFL.

  1. CMP 1911 dedicated fax number 256-831-2354 for FFL dealers to fax their FFLs with the customer’s name attached.
  2. CMP 1911 dedicated email address cmp1911FFL@thecmp.org to send their FFLs with customer's name attached.
  3. CMP 1911 is currently accepting FFL contacts pursuant to FFL requirements.

 

CMP 1911 PRICING:

CMP has priced the 1911 type pistols at fair market value in accordance with CMP's enabling legislation. 

Service Grade $1050. Pistol may exhibit minor pitting and wear on exterior surfaces and friction surfaces. Grips are complete with no cracks. Pistol is in issuable condition.

Field Grade $950. Pistol may exhibit minor rust, pitting, and wear on exterior surfaces and friction surfaces. Grips are complete with no cracks. Pistol is in issuable condition.

Rack Grade $850. Pistol will exhibit rust, pitting, and wear on exterior surfaces and friction surfaces. Grips may be incomplete and exhibit cracks. Pistol requires minor work to return to issuable condition.

Auction Grade (Sales will to be determined by auctioning the pistol). The condition of the auction pistol will be described when posted for auction. Note: If you have already purchased a 1911 from CMP you will not be allowed to purchase an auction 1911. If you purchase an auction 1911, your name will be pulled from the sequenced list. No repeat purchasers are allowed until all orders received have been filled.

The shipping cost is included in the price.

 

ADDITIONAL CMP 1911 DETAILS:

  1. Potential purchasers will have to provide CMP with a set of CMP 1911 documents exhibiting: 1) proof of U.S. Citizenship, 2) proof of membership in a CMP affiliated club, 3) proof of participation in a marksmanship activity, 4) a completed 1911 order form, including a new form 2A with notary, 5) a signed copy of the 01, or 02, or 07 Federal Firearms License in which the 1911 will be transferred to.  All qualifying documents must be included in your order packet. No qualifying documents, other than the FFL, will be accepted without an order packet. Note: The signed copy of the FFL may be faxed or emailed to CMP 1911 with the customer name attached. CMP Eligibility Requirements for ordering may be viewed on the CMP website at http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/ri...bility-requirements/.
  2. A NICS background check on each customer will be performed by the FBI to assure the customer is eligible to purchase prior to shipment to the FFL licensed dealer. The customer must receive a "proceed" from NICS prior to shipment of the pistol to the FFL licensed dealer.
  3. The CMP customer will be required to complete a Form 4473 in person at the FFL dealer’s place of business and successfully pass a NICS check, in which the information is provided by the FFL holder to NICS, before the pistol can be transferred. This is a second NICS check performed on the customer. Note: The FFL licensed dealer in which the pistol is retrieved from will have to follow all federal, state, and local laws.
  4. All orders by customers will have to be filled prior to any customer getting the opportunity to purchase a second CMP 1911.
  5. No 1911s will be available in the CMP stores, or on-line. Only mail order sales will be accepted.  All 1911 orders must be delivered via USPS, UPS, Fed EX, etc. to the CMP 1911 address listed above.  No in store or at the door drop off orders will be accepted.
  6. CMP will stop accepting orders at the end of business on 4 October 2018. Customer’s names will be loaded into the Random Number Generator. The sequenced order for customers will be established and each time CMP receives 1911s, customer orders will be filled in the originally established sequence. No one will be allowed to repeat purchase until all orders are filled.
  7. The customer’s sequence number will be sent to the individual via email once such sequence number is established.
  8. Customers will be contacted in the sequence provided by the Random Number Generator.
  9. Pistol grade and payment arrangement will be established when the customer is contacted by CMP sales staff at time of purchase. DO NOT send payment with your 1911 order. Customers will have 5 days to submit payment once notified.
  10. 1911s from CMP will be allowed in California because they meet the California definition of Curio and Relic. They will ship to 01, or 02, or 07 FFLs in California. At of the time of this release, only the state of Massachusetts will not allow the sale of the 1911/1911A1 pistol.  
  11. All required information is included in this release. If you have questions, please email the address listed above. If you choose to call the number listed, please be prepared for a long wait time.

REASONS FOR THE TWO NICS CHECKS:

First Reason:  The first NICS conducted by the FBI for the CMP makes sure the customer can legally possess the 1911 type pistol prior to shipping it to the local 01, or 02, or 07 FFL dealer. The CMP, Congress, and the United States Army do not want the 1911 to have to be returned to CMP 1911 if the purchaser is not legal to possess. The more time the pistol is in transit, the more likely it is that it could be lost or stolen. The second NICS check is performed by the FBI for the local 01, or 02, or 07 FFL in accordance with their standard transfer procedures and all federal, state, and local laws.   

Second Reason:  CMP’s enabling legislation mandated by Congress specifies that the purchaser “successfully pass a thorough and complete background check”, i.e. NICS.  CMP cannot turn any firearm over to the purchaser until it receives a “proceed” from NICS; the local FFL can turn the pistol over after 72 business hours have elapsed if they have not heard back from NICS. Turning the pistol over after 72 hours and not getting a “proceed” does not satisfy CMP’s enabling legislation mandated by Congress. This leaves CMP no choice but to have a NICS check performed by the FBI and to get a “proceed” to satisfy its enabling legislation, before shipping to the local 01, or 02, or 07 FFL dealer.

 

Note: 1911 type pistols purchased from CMP cannot be transferred to 03 FFL (curio and relic) license holders. CMP’s legislation contained in the 2018 NDAA specifies FFL licensed dealers. BATF and the United States Army prefer the second background check be performed by the FBI on an FFL licensed dealer’s premises.   

 

Mark Johnson
Chief Operating Officer
Civilian Marksmanship Program

 

I'm out.

One of the great things (aside from quality, service and value) about ordering from the CMP were the reasonable requirements for purchasing Garands.  Now, no 03 FFLs are being honored, going through an 01 is required, its 'random number generated,' and there are acres of regs for ordering the 1911s.  

Rifleman716 posted:

NO shipment to the State of Massachusetts.   

Linz posted:

Always this "proof of U.S. Citizenship" shtick

Yeah, well, that doesn't always matter either.

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ouch for that price you can get a refurbished M-1 with a new barrel and wood.

The fun one was the submit your paperwork for a chance at a Carbine.  First day they had 3 mail tubs full of applications.

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Malpaso posted:
Rifleman716 posted:

NO shipment to the State of Massachusetts.   

Linz posted:

Always this "proof of U.S. Citizenship" shtick

Yeah, well, that doesn't always matter either.

That's shame: US citizens being treated like dodgy dam' furriners.

Looks like 8000 will be sold through CMP here is the info,a chance to  own some history.

http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/1911-information/

The latest information on the 1911's will be posted on this page. 

If you would like to sign up for our Sales Email Updates, please visit thecmp.org/email/.

MAY 9, 2018

While the National Defense Authorization Act granted transfer of a maximum of 10,000 1911s per year to the CMP, the Secretary of the Army allowed only 8,000 1911s to be transferred to the CMP for sale and distribution this fiscal year. Some of those are anticipated to be unusual and worthy of being auctioned. The remaining number will be sold based on a computerized Random Number Generator.

The CMP does not know what next year’s allotment might be.

THE PROCEDURES FOR PURCHASING 1911 TYPE PISTOLS FROM CMP 1911

Every applicant will be treated as a new customer to CMP.  

Previous purchases or relationships with CMP create no advantage or disadvantage to the customer.  

CMP 1911 is an FFL governed operation and is a separate entity from CMP and has its own record keeping operation with no ties to the existing CMP records.

PLEASE DO NOT CALL, LEAVE MESSAGES OR EMAIL THE CMP 1911 CUSTOMER SERVICE/SALES DEPARTMENT (which will be functional 4 June 2018) NOR THE CMP CUSTOMER SERVICE/SALES DEPARTMENT. They have no further information at this time. However, all ordering information will be included in the 1911 packet posted 4 June 2018. The information contained in the packet should answer ALL QUESTIONS regarding the ordering process. ORDERS WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED BEFORE 4 SEPTEMBER 2018. ORDERS RECEIVED BEFORE THAT DATE WILL BE DESTROYED.

Thank you for your patience, understanding and support.

 

CMP 1911 CUSTOMER PURCHASE DETAILS:

  1. CMP 1911 order form packet will be posted on the CMP website thecmp.org on 4 June 2018 for download – click on CMP 1911 icon.
  2. CMP 1911 customer service number is 256-835-8455 extension 461. (This number is non operational until June 4, 2018)
  3. CMP 1911 customer service email address cmp1911@thecmp.org(Please do not email questions about the ordering process until the order packet is posted June 4, 2018. All information needed to order a CMP 1911 is in the order packet.)
  4. Only ONE CMP 1911 order form packet per customer may be submitted.
  5. CMP 1911 order form packet must be mailed to the following address. This includes USPS, UPS, Fed Ex, etc. Orders must be postmarked NOT PRIOR TO 4 September 2018 and NOT AFTER 4 October 2018.  Any orders received postmarked prior to September 4 will not be accepted.  Hand delivered, emailed and faxed orders will not be accepted. Only orders sent to the following CMP 1911 address will be accepted:     

CMP 1911
1800 Roberts Drive
Anniston, AL 36207

  1. Customer names from complete CMP 1911 order form packets will be fed into a computerized Random Number Generator on 5 October 2018. The Random Number Generator will provide a list of names in sequential order through the random picking process. Customers will be contacted in the sequence provided by the Random Number Generator. The CMP 1911 customers will select their grade of pistol (Service, Field or Rack) from available inventory at the time of order notification. Customers with higher numbers may have fewer grades from which to choose. When this year’s allotment of 1911s is exhausted, the remaining orders will be held in the existing sequence for all future allotments of 1911s. The CMP does not know what future allotments might be.

 

CMP 1911 FFL CONTACT INFORMATION DETAILS:

All 1911’s will be shipped to a 01, 02 or 07 Federal Firearms License. Customers MUST provide a signed copy of the 01, 02 or 07 FFL.

  1. CMP 1911 dedicated fax number 256-831-2354 for FFL dealers to fax their FFLs with the customer’s name attached.
  2. CMP 1911 dedicated email address cmp1911FFL@thecmp.org to send their FFLs with customer's name attached.
  3. CMP 1911 is currently accepting FFL contacts pursuant to FFL requirements.

 

CMP 1911 PRICING:

CMP has priced the 1911 type pistols at fair market value in accordance with CMP's enabling legislation. 

Service Grade $1050. Pistol may exhibit minor pitting and wear on exterior surfaces and friction surfaces. Grips are complete with no cracks. Pistol is in issuable condition.

Field Grade $950. Pistol may exhibit minor rust, pitting, and wear on exterior surfaces and friction surfaces. Grips are complete with no cracks. Pistol is in issuable condition.

Rack Grade $850. Pistol will exhibit rust, pitting, and wear on exterior surfaces and friction surfaces. Grips may be incomplete and exhibit cracks. Pistol requires minor work to return to issuable condition.

Auction Grade (Sales will to be determined by auctioning the pistol). The condition of the auction pistol will be described when posted for auction. Note: If you have already purchased a 1911 from CMP you will not be allowed to purchase an auction 1911. If you purchase an auction 1911, your name will be pulled from the sequenced list. No repeat purchasers are allowed until all orders received have been filled.

The shipping cost is included in the price.

 

ADDITIONAL CMP 1911 DETAILS:

  1. Potential purchasers will have to provide CMP with a set of CMP 1911 documents exhibiting: 1) proof of U.S. Citizenship, 2) proof of membership in a CMP affiliated club, 3) proof of participation in a marksmanship activity, 4) a completed 1911 order form, including a new form 2A with notary, 5) a signed copy of the 01, or 02, or 07 Federal Firearms License in which the 1911 will be transferred to.  All qualifying documents must be included in your order packet. No qualifying documents, other than the FFL, will be accepted without an order packet. Note: The signed copy of the FFL may be faxed or emailed to CMP 1911 with the customer name attached. CMP Eligibility Requirements for ordering may be viewed on the CMP website at http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/ri...bility-requirements/.
  2. A NICS background check on each customer will be performed by the FBI to assure the customer is eligible to purchase prior to shipment to the FFL licensed dealer. The customer must receive a "proceed" from NICS prior to shipment of the pistol to the FFL licensed dealer.
  3. The CMP customer will be required to complete a Form 4473 in person at the FFL dealer’s place of business and successfully pass a NICS check, in which the information is provided by the FFL holder to NICS, before the pistol can be transferred. This is a second NICS check performed on the customer. Note: The FFL licensed dealer in which the pistol is retrieved from will have to follow all federal, state, and local laws.
  4. All orders by customers will have to be filled prior to any customer getting the opportunity to purchase a second CMP 1911.
  5. No 1911s will be available in the CMP stores, or on-line. Only mail order sales will be accepted.  All 1911 orders must be delivered via USPS, UPS, Fed EX, etc. to the CMP 1911 address listed above.  No in store or at the door drop off orders will be accepted.
  6. CMP will stop accepting orders at the end of business on 4 October 2018. Customer’s names will be loaded into the Random Number Generator. The sequenced order for customers will be established and each time CMP receives 1911s, customer orders will be filled in the originally established sequence. No one will be allowed to repeat purchase until all orders are filled.
  7. The customer’s sequence number will be sent to the individual via email once such sequence number is established.
  8. Customers will be contacted in the sequence provided by the Random Number Generator.
  9. Pistol grade and payment arrangement will be established when the customer is contacted by CMP sales staff at time of purchase. DO NOT send payment with your 1911 order. Customers will have 5 days to submit payment once notified.
  10. 1911s from CMP will be allowed in California because they meet the California definition of Curio and Relic. They will ship to 01, or 02, or 07 FFLs in California. At of the time of this release, only the state of Massachusetts will not allow the sale of the 1911/1911A1 pistol.  
  11. All required information is included in this release. If you have questions, please email the address listed above. If you choose to call the number listed, please be prepared for a long wait time.

REASONS FOR THE TWO NICS CHECKS:

First Reason:  The first NICS conducted by the FBI for the CMP makes sure the customer can legally possess the 1911 type pistol prior to shipping it to the local 01, or 02, or 07 FFL dealer. The CMP, Congress, and the United States Army do not want the 1911 to have to be returned to CMP 1911 if the purchaser is not legal to possess. The more time the pistol is in transit, the more likely it is that it could be lost or stolen. The second NICS check is performed by the FBI for the local 01, or 02, or 07 FFL in accordance with their standard transfer procedures and all federal, state, and local laws.   

Second Reason:  CMP’s enabling legislation mandated by Congress specifies that the purchaser “successfully pass a thorough and complete background check”, i.e. NICS.  CMP cannot turn any firearm over to the purchaser until it receives a “proceed” from NICS; the local FFL can turn the pistol over after 72 business hours have elapsed if they have not heard back from NICS. Turning the pistol over after 72 hours and not getting a “proceed” does not satisfy CMP’s enabling legislation mandated by Congress. This leaves CMP no choice but to have a NICS check performed by the FBI and to get a “proceed” to satisfy its enabling legislation, before shipping to the local 01, or 02, or 07 FFL dealer.

 

Note: 1911 type pistols purchased from CMP cannot be transferred to 03 FFL (curio and relic) license holders. CMP’s legislation contained in the 2018 NDAA specifies FFL licensed dealers. BATF and the United States Army prefer the second background check be performed by the FBI on an FFL licensed dealer’s premises.   

 

Mark Johnson
Chief Operating Officer
Civilian Marksmanship Program

tomahawk6 posted:

It goes to a good cause and may be tax deductible.

How could it possibly be tax deductible? It's not a donation, it's a purchase. For it to be tax deductible, they would have to set a value less than the selling price, and only that portion would be. There's no way in the world they're going to tell people they're paying more than the value. I also don't believe they are set up as a 501(C)(3) or similar.

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I am an accountant, but I don't hold myself out as a tax expert.  That being said don't even think about deducting this.  Malpaso is correct in that, but they are a 501(c).  Still, this isn't deductible.  If you think the price is too high feel free not to buy one - every CMP 1911 will sell with ease.  In a market economy...that means the price isn't too high.

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tomahawk6 posted:

If your check is made out to CMP i think you could deduct it.Maybe a tax expert could chime in ?

I've been doing taxes for about 40 years. Not sure that qualifies as an expert or not.

You can make a DONATION to the CMP. That is tax deductible. If you are purchasing something from them, it is not. Think if you took a CPR course form the Red Cross (not that I would, but that's another story). They are a tax deductible organization, but your purchase of a service is not a tax deduction.

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It's not that life is so short, it's that you're dead for so long.

The .45-70 is the only government I trust

"I was raised in a place called America...
It's gone now, I wish you could've seen it"
- a WWII vet

 

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Linz posted:
tomahawk6 posted:

If your check is made out to CMP i think you could deduct it.Maybe a tax expert could chime in ?

Depends on how good your IRS is on data matching.

Not a concern, IRS does not data match charitable deductions, although it would be very easy for them to. They don't collect tax IDs of the donee on the tax return. Only way to get bagged is through an audit.

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It's not that life is so short, it's that you're dead for so long.

The .45-70 is the only government I trust

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It's gone now, I wish you could've seen it"
- a WWII vet

 

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