Failure to incapacitate

oldrotorhead posted:

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IIRC a Cop inJacksonville got shot in the face with  .45 ACP continued to fight and won the fight and I think is now back to work.

Mild thread drift: I think you're referring to Jared Reston.   There's a couple y-tube videos of him talking about his OIS, and he's featured on Safariland's home page as a save with his vest.  It's a great story, and I make all my trainees watch it.  In short, Reston takes a .45 round to the mouth, plus several more, but finishes the fight.  He also puts many .40 rounds on target, but it takes 3 rounds to the noggin at point blank range to finish the fight.

Anytime someone starts talking about which handgun caliber is better, I bring up Reston's OIS, and I emphasize that it's the software (physical fitness, mental attitude, training, etc) that will win the fight.

HazardZetForward posted:
oldrotorhead posted:

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IIRC a Cop inJacksonville got shot in the face with  .45 ACP continued to fight and won the fight and I think is now back to work.

Mild thread drift: I think you're referring to Jared Reston.   There's a couple y-tube videos of him talking about his OIS, and he's featured on Safariland's home page as a save with his vest.  It's a great story, and I make all my trainees watch it.  In short, Reston takes a .45 round to the mouth, plus several more, but finishes the fight.  He also puts many .40 rounds on target, but it takes 3 rounds to the noggin at point blank range to finish the fight.

Anytime someone starts talking about which handgun caliber is better, I bring up Reston's OIS, and I emphasize that it's the software (physical fitness, mental attitude, training, etc) that will win the fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArDRg5SkuT0        

HazardZetForward posted:
oldrotorhead posted:

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IIRC a Cop inJacksonville got shot in the face with  .45 ACP continued to fight and won the fight and I think is now back to work.

Mild thread drift: I think you're referring to Jared Reston.   There's a couple y-tube videos of him talking about his OIS, and he's featured on Safariland's home page as a save with his vest.  It's a great story, and I make all my trainees watch it.  In short, Reston takes a .45 round to the mouth, plus several more, but finishes the fight.  He also puts many .40 rounds on target, but it takes 3 rounds to the noggin at point blank range to finish the fight.

Anytime someone starts talking about which handgun caliber is better, I bring up Reston's OIS, and I emphasize that it's the software (physical fitness, mental attitude, training, etc) that will win the fight.

Wasn't Jared also a student/friend of Pats? I recall an incident Pat shared w/ us @ class (hard to imagine Pat sharing a tale during class) sev. yrs back & IIRC it involved a Jville fella, almost certain that was Jared.

Seems this was told to us during a Brady carb class, when Mike was Pat's AI & LFers like Aubrey, DetWD, Lloyd G & Monty would've been in attendance. Damn those were the days, 2008 & it might sound sim. to mi amigo Longeye's early days w/ Pat & Mike @ Pueblo as well. Sorry for the thread drift fellas but I can still hear it being told, missing my/our friend Pat clearly, now back to the OP's topic.

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I've been regaled by a few Dallas PD officers of a shooting they called either "The I-30 Shooting" or "The Cockrell Hill Shooting" (seeing as Cockrell Hill Rd begins at I-30, both work).  It was around 1990, and DPD had been issuing 9mm for a couple of years (SIG 226s, though Beretta 92s were authorized, and there were still plenty of .38s and .357mags out there).  

Apparently some coked out fella of large proportions got into a rolling gun fight westbound on I-30, nobody was hit, but I was told his car was disabled just east of Cockrell Hill Rd.  He gets out, wearing a white t-shirt, and starts shooting at officers.  My close buddy says the white t-shirt went red from all the hits, front and back, as bullets were plugging with t-shirt and trucking right on through.  There was some good placement considering how far back the patrol cars and officers were from the badguy.   I have been told many different numbers on how many hits by guys that were and werent there.  For some reason there was a pause, and the guy looked at himself and the mess he was, and decided to just walk away.  A DPD officer there (first name: Nino), who was carrying a S&W 66 loaded with 145gr Winnie Silvertips (I thought it was coolest gun in  the world, until he got a 686, and later a 686+) at the time, that had family across the street told me my dad one time, the guy literally spun around and walked away like he hadnt a care in the world.  Officers pursued at a distance, and the guy spun back around and dropped.  

The other officers proceeded towards him cautiously and the guy raised a gun, so an officer plugged him with a 12 gauge loaded with 00.  The guy flinched, winced, and tried again, and got another loaded of 00 from another officer.  Then it was over.

Turns out the guy wasnt reloading, he was just grabbing other guns out of a paperbag in the front seat.

DPD switched from that load, Hornady 115gr XTP, to the Remington 115gr+P+ JHP (9mm Treasury Load).  Then, around 1996 they went to 147gr Winchester Rangers, Rangers SXTs, then Ranger Talons.  This year they moved to 135gr+P Hornady Critical Duty.  Around the time they switched to heavier 9mm loads, they authorized .357sig.  I had an empty box of the 115gr Hornady XTP load, and a partial of the Remington offering al with faded red stamps marked "For DPD Use Only", but I lost them in a house fire a few years ago (I also lost a rare box of Federal .357sig 150gr. JHPs in the copper and blue box).    

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MG in TX posted:
 

Wasn't Jared also a student/friend of Pats? I recall an incident Pat shared w/ us @ class (hard to imagine Pat sharing a tale during class) sev. yrs back & IIRC it involved a Jville fella, almost certain that was Jared.

Seems this was told to us during a Brady carb class, when Mike was Pat's AI & LFers like Aubrey, DetWD, Lloyd G & Monty would've been in attendance. Damn those were the days, 2008 & it might sound sim. to mi amigo Longeye's early days w/ Pat & Mike @ Pueblo as well. Sorry for the thread drift fellas but I can still hear it being told, missing my friend Pat clearly, now back to the OP's topic.

I believe so.  I attended one of Pat's pistol courses in late 2010 and he talked about it.  He mentioned that Jared had returned to duty and added, fondly, as only Pat could, that he had since been involved in another shooting.

aegis305 posted:
HazardZetForward posted:
oldrotorhead posted:

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IIRC a Cop inJacksonville got shot in the face with  .45 ACP continued to fight and won the fight and I think is now back to work.

Mild thread drift: I think you're referring to Jared Reston.   There's a couple y-tube videos of him talking about his OIS, and he's featured on Safariland's home page as a save with his vest.  It's a great story, and I make all my trainees watch it.  In short, Reston takes a .45 round to the mouth, plus several more, but finishes the fight.  He also puts many .40 rounds on target, but it takes 3 rounds to the noggin at point blank range to finish the fight.

Anytime someone starts talking about which handgun caliber is better, I bring up Reston's OIS, and I emphasize that it's the software (physical fitness, mental attitude, training, etc) that will win the fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArDRg5SkuT0        

......but but but...Abner was just a teenager...he was in the "hands up don't shoot" position.    Ugh!  I'm sure his family had a nice innocent pic of him wearing headphones...

But, seriously; what an inspirational story!

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HazardZetForward posted:
oldrotorhead posted:

Stray Round 

 

IIRC a Cop inJacksonville got shot in the face with  .45 ACP continued to fight and won the fight and I think is now back to work.

Mild thread drift: I think you're referring to Jared Reston.   There's a couple y-tube videos of him talking about his OIS, and he's featured on Safariland's home page as a save with his vest.  It's a great story, and I make all my trainees watch it.  In short, Reston takes a .45 round to the mouth, plus several more, but finishes the fight.  He also puts many .40 rounds on target, but it takes 3 rounds to the noggin at point blank range to finish the fight.

Anytime someone starts talking about which handgun caliber is better, I bring up Reston's OIS, and I emphasize that it's the software (physical fitness, mental attitude, training, etc) that will win the fight.

 

The debrief on that is exceptional and proves what can be accomplished by having a warrior mindset.  Good job sharing that with the trainees.

Doc, I believe the MP5 shooting in the OP was preceded by a dead primer on an AR15, from repeated chamberings. An officer tried to shoot the perp with an AR, but the primer was dead, leading another officer armed with an MP5 to take action. Anyone know about this?

I am late into reading this (very interesting) thread.   Anyone have any further detail on the video of the guy in an ACU uniform that traded rounds with an Oregon state Trooper just a few years ago. The dash-cam showed the guy get out on a T-stop and pull a pistol from behind, running towards the cop, then crossing in front of the cop car. He then runs back to his car and drives off.    The story goes he gets about a half mile away and  pulls over, dead ( with his kids in the car as I recall).

  To watch the video, he doesn't appear to be hit at all.   I have always been curious about that one.

    I think OSP carried .40.  

Bill,

OSP does carry the .40, Trooper went out on traffic but was walked on therefore dispatch got a surprise when he called out shots fired.  Trooper had also drawn his pistol and had it in the "bootleg" position when things went south.  Can't remember how many times BG was hit, I'll ask around.

 

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