Glock 43

Will the Glock be better than the Shield?

For many the answer is yes because it is a Glock, performance is irrelevant for a substantial portion of the gun buying public.

The Shield magazine carries seven rounds, eight with the extended mag, same with the Kahr's.

I will buy one to test for myself and my buddies (who always wait for me to get the latest and greatest so they can test for free).

Art

I'll handle one, just to see, but no plans to replace my Shields.

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I too was hoping for .75 more barrel, and 7-8 round capacity.  Something closer to a G19 in size, just slimmer.  I don't think this will do it for me...

 

And I was really hoping to pick up a cheap G26 (my wife likes it) as guys dumped them for the G43.  Now I am not sure that will happen...

 

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I will probably pick up one for a back up gun, but it won't replace my 19 as an offduty piece because of the limited magazine capacity. I never jumped on the M&P Shield train! But those are damn fine backup guns as well. 

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I'm in.  Two more rounds than a J-frame without the cylinder bulge and faster to refuel.

Trigger pull shared with the larger Glocks and the 9mm ammo.

 

Should be a ton of holsters, mag pouches and sights to choose from.

 

Now to allow the beta testers to work out the bugs.

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Originally Posted by stray round:

I'm in.  Two more rounds than a J-frame without the cylinder bulge and faster to refuel.

Trigger pull shared with the larger Glocks and the 9mm ammo.

 

Should be a ton of holsters, mag pouches and sights to choose from.

 

Now to allow the beta testers to work out the bugs.

 

Agreed. I probably won't get rid of my jframe, but this should be better to pocket carry than said jframe...

 

Originally Posted by tankersteve:

You have a 4-round J-frame?  Wow, is it like a .45LC?

 

Tankersteve

6+1 in the chamber, so yes, 2 more rounds than a .38 Special Jframe and easier/faster to reload.

Sorry, dumbassery on my part and not thinking. 

 

I am not overwhelmed though.  Barrel is slightly shorter than a G26.  I was hoping for G19 barrel length, with possibly this size pistol grip with oversized ones adding G19-like length.  Funny that to look at the pic, it doesn't seem that much different from the Shield dimensionally, but it has a slightly longer barrel (quarter inch), yet 1 round lower capacity.

 

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This will be my new BUG.  I think I'll even risk being one of the first to get one.
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This is just like the Sig 238/938, i.e. the .380 is upsized just enough to handle 9mm.  It's the Glock version of the M&P Shield/Kahr CW9.  It will appeal to those who want the Glock name, especially if it is priced below the Kahr.  Next time I'm at the store, I'll lay a G42 on my Shield and see how much of a difference there really is.  The'll suck some market share away from the Shield, but I think S&W will survive.

 

I still think there is a niche market for a slim, single stack 9mm about the same length and height as the G19 to appeal to those who have smaller hands and/or state magazine limit issues.  

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I wonder if Taran Butler and Co already have one of these and will be making +baseplates for the mags...If they could realistically get a +3 or 4 extension it would be the tits

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Unless it is thinner than the Kahr P9 or Shield I won't be carrying one.

The Shield works fine and the eight round mags for reload are an advantage in case of a fight.

Trigger pull on the Shield is not a Glock trigger but neither is the J frame, 1911 or the Kahr.

Art

Originally Posted by 4track:
Originally Posted by Spent Casing:

Boom,'

 
Was that from a new issue of Recoil?

 

Yes, but it hasnt hit newstands yet.

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I like the dimensions and features on this new pistol.

 

Several Shields (including mine) I've had contact with were not totally reliable with name-brand ammo, so I'm loathe to trust them.

 

I've been carrying a G-42 for a while, which is reliable with good ammo, but...it's a .380, dammit.

 

This would seem to be a good companion to a G-17 as a primary pistol.

 

 

 

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I would have been all over this a few years ago, but after buying my first glock 19 last year, I think I'll pass. My hands aren't particular huge, but the 19 is on the ragged edge of being too small for me.
Maybe for the wife though....

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Originally Posted by gulf1263:

Unless it is thinner than the Kahr P9 or Shield I won't be carrying one.

The Shield works fine and the eight round mags for reload are an advantage in case of a fight.

Trigger pull on the Shield is not a Glock trigger but neither is the J frame, 1911 or the Kahr.

Art

1.  I hate the fact that you need to use aftermarket trigger/sear/USB parts to get a nice trigger pull.

 

2.  However, putting in an APEX sear and USB is now standard practice for me and is well worth the cost and effort.  A significant improvement.

 

Since I started carrying and shooting the 1911 platform again, I have progressively gone to a thumb safety on everything that can have one.  I'd like to say that I'm good enough that I can seamlessly transition from a gun without a manual safety to one with and not experience any hiccups.  I'm not.  When I went to shoot a match with my Browning Hi-Power (nostalgia) after many years shooting Glocks and skipped taking it off safe, I figured out that I wasn't that good.

 

So, including my Shield, all of my common carry pistols have a thumb safety in the same spot.  With the exception of my G19 that was too sweet to give up.  Plus Smith & Wesson doesn't make an M&P that duplicates the G19 niche.

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Got the specs pic from The Firearm Blog.

Apparently Glock green lighted the release of info by writers after the leak.  There are quite a few write ups out now along with comparison pics and shooting impressions.

I'm digging it.  This will probably be the pistol I pick up for my wife.  She liked the G42 but wished it was in 9mm....problem solved.

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I got a text from dlam.  Read the article. Not excited about a $589 msrp.

BUT it is what it is and I will most likely pick one up after the frenzy dies down. I have really grown to like my Shield 9 with the dcaek installed.

"I still think there is a niche market for a slim, single stack 9mm about the same length and height as the G19 to appeal to those who have smaller hands and/or state magazine limit issues." -- I fully agree. (I usually agree with Dorsai). I know LOTS of guys who wanted a single stack G19 20 years ago . . .

 

"BUT it is what it is and I will most likely pick one up after the frenzy dies down"

 

Yeah, me too. My PD switched to Glocks in the fall of 2013 (from Sigs). So most of my handgun purchases since 2012 have been the Glock platform.

 

But I have an M&P and several of my friends have Shields that I've shot a little bit. I would be perfectly happy with that family of guns too.

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I swear to Christ, people would bitch if Kate Beckensale herself was giving free blowjobs.

 

Years and years of people clamoring for a single stack 9 from Glock.  Now they have it and it's not good enough because of X.

 

It's a gun used in lieu of a 26 or 19 for certain situations. Think of it as a complement rather than a replacement to your other Glocks.

"Think of it as a complement rather than a replacement to your other Glocks."

 

Exactly. I'm going to wait & see if we do a group order from the PD. I have plenty of other appropriate guns to use in the meantime. Probably best to wait about 6 months and wait until after any problems with the initial guns have been identified & corrected.

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I've had no urge to find or get a G42.  This appeals a bit more, but I'm doing fine with a 9mm Shield for the "Ungun."  The $589 ticket says the G43 is not a priority and there is no chance the G26 is going on the block, unless you give me a G43 and $200  .

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Meh.  I carry a G19 90% of the time.  When doing UC or when I'm "not carrying a gun" it's a Shield.  I wanted this pistol two years ago, but Glock told me I didn't need it, I needed a .380.  I didn't want a .380, so I bought a 9mm from S&W.  Now I have magazines, holsters, etc. in S&W flavor...not changing now.  I see no reason to believe this thing will do the job more better than the S&W to make it worth the hassle to change everything out.  I'll wait and see what Glock tells me I need next to decide then if I really need it or not.  Maybe that longslide optic ready .25 auto.  

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slide width
G43- 0.86"
Shield- 0.91"
PPS- 0.9"

frame width
G43- 1.02"
Shield- 0.95"
PPS- 1.04"

height
G43- 4.25"
Shield- 4.6"
PPS- 4.4"

weight
G43- 16.19oz
Shield- 19oz
PPS- 19.4oz

barrel length
G43- 3.39"
Shield- 3.1"
PPS- 3.2"

overall length
G43- 6.26"
Shield- 6.1"
PPS- 6.3"

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Mcantu,

I shoulda known it was a LFer adding numbers and reason into the posts on the other site...lol.

Those numbers really do show it isn't as big as so many are making it out to be.
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This is EXACTLY what I wanted. I am thrilled! I just hope its reliable from the get go...we shall see!

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Originally Posted by scoutfsu99:

I swear to Christ, people would bitch if Kate Beckensale herself was giving free blowjobs.

 

No complaints from me at all if Kate came a knocking at my place 

My opinion is that like any tool the G43 will be a better fit in some applications than other Glock models.  I will certainly give it a serious look once it has been out for a bit and some solid reviews are given. 

 

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mcantu,

 

Thanks, a great comparison.  Visually, I didn't realize it was that much shorter than a Shield.  I still wish the barrel was somewhere along the lengths of the G19-G26 continuum, rather than shorter than a G26, but seeing that it is actually longer than its two (likely) chief competitors is enlightening.  I'm never the first to go try something, but I am becoming more open-minded about this.

 

Besides, nobody cares (or asked me) what I thought.

 

Tankersteve

 

As for Kate, is she on her knees, wearing leather/latex, hair in a ponytail?  These are important details!

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Honestly, though I'm glad this is out and I'm sure it'll sell like hot cakes, I think I'll stick with my G42.  I'd rather someone else discover the teething problems (which apparently were an issue with the 42 also).  Further for myself and I'm betting plenty of other shooters .380 recoil is all that I can handle to shoot enough to be halfway proficient.  Even in the review above about 150 rounds was enough for what I'm guessing is a rather proficient shooter, who's presumably less recoil sensitive than the average buyer.  Yes, I know .380 has limits, but so does the average shooter that I meet across the gun show table.

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Originally Posted by mcantu:

slide width
G43- 0.86"
Shield- 0.91"
Shield slide is .05" wider = inconsequential

frame width
G43- 1.02"
Shield- 0.95"
Glock frame is .07" wider = inconsequential

height
G43- 4.25"
Shield- 4.6"
Shield height is .35" taller.  That is appreciable both positively and negatively.  If you are putting it in a pocket, the difference in butt length can be the difference between working and not working.  On the negative side, with the short magazine in place, I have just enough room for all my fingers, but my little finger is half off the frame.  That means the Glock grip is so short, your little finger will be hanging off unless you get a floorplate extension, which would make it longer than the Shield.  One of the issues with the G26/27.  Not an issue if the dangling finger doesn't bother you.  Plus, the Shield has one more round.

weight
G43- 16.19oz
Shield- 19oz
Shield is almost 3oz heavier.  I'm assuming that is empty, but the difference will be larger with a loaded magazine since their capacities are different.  So almost 1/4lb fully loaded.  That may be significant for some purposes.

barrel length
G43- 3.39"
Shield- 3.1"
Glock barrel length is .29" greater = insignificant.

overall length
G43- 6.26"
Shield- 6.1"
Glock overall length is .16" greater = insignificant.

I've altered this for my own purposes since I have a Shield.  Compared to the Shield, there is only two dimensions that I consider to be significant or potentially significant.  The shorter butt and lighter weight add up to the Glock being more suitable for ankle or pocket carry than the Shield.  If you aren't using that method, I consider the shorter grip to be negatively significant because of gripping issues.  If you are carrying IWB or OWB, I think the Shield is marginally superior.  All that said, I think other issues may be more significant to people.  If you are a Glock guy, that will probably tip the scales.  If you aren't, then the Shield might still be on the top of your list.

 

Edited to correct typo/math error (frankly, I'm not sure which).  Thanks Steve!!!

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the more i think about it, the more i agree with the decision to go with 6 rounds. if you want super concealable stay with the flush factory mag. aftermarket +1 extensions will be a no-brainer and will probably put it at the same height as the Shield when installed, so you actually get more options this way

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I am also starting to come around to the short height and 6-round mag capacity.  Especially if Glock or the aftermarket make mag extensions in the +1 and +2 category, so the user can select what works for his comfort level with the 'hanging pinky'. 

 

Would anyone know why Glock may have chosen not to make the barrel the same length as the G26?  Is there a difference in design/construction, that impacts the width in the frame?  Liability to prevent a G27 barrel from ending up in there (ie., hotter round)? 

 

As I said, one can adjust the grip length with a longer mag.  However, we are stuck with this barrel length, and I am curious if it was just to stay directly comparable to the Shield and PPS.

 

Tankersteve

 

Side note - Shield barrel is .29 shorter, but pistol is only .16 shorter in overall length.  Seems a very close trade-off.  Big winner - all of us - more Quality choices. 

 

Also, any bets that Glock works 'backwards' and releases larger, narrow-frame models?  This being the G26 equiv, then a G19 or 17?

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