Glock Gen 5 --- RFI

You guys are doing this to me as I'm waiting for a VP9 to be delivered...now I really want a G5 G19.  Any of you that have shot the Gen 5 also have a VP9 to compare it to?  Not changing my mind, at this point, but it might hasten how quickly I get a new Glock. 

''Life's tough......it's even tougher if you're stupid.'' ----- John Wayne

I had a chance to shoot a Gen5 19 (approx. 150 rounds).  The trigger was probably the best (subjectively) stock Glock, trigger out of the box, that I've felt.  It had a smooth, roll until break.  The grip texture was Gen4ish... which is nice.  I've always hated the fingergrooves... so the deletion was great (for me).  The flared magwell is a plus, and seemed to aid reloads.  Accuracy seemed as good, if not better, at 25 yards (on B-8 bullseye targets).  No brass to face, solid 4 o'clock ejection.  Zero malfunctions.  It was only 150 rounds... more in depth testing required to really ring out the accuracy potential.  All in all, this new Glock generation is a winner.

Just back from first range session with the the Gen5 19.  Impressed.  Now I only put about 50 rounds down range, as the session was actually a department qual session and also to zero the 17MOS with RMR I recently received.

First 25 rounds were shot cold as a back-up/off-duty qualification (25 yards and in).  I'm a low left drift Glock shooter.  Or, I was.  The Gen5 produced a perfect centered group for me immediately, the first time ever with a Glock.  Notable was that my group at 25 was 6" with one flyer that I called.  The trigger was noticeably better than the trigger on the Gen4 17MOS, which is also new.  The Gen5 felt better all the way around, *seemed* a wee bit softer in recoil than a buddy's Gen4 19MOS I shot in comparison right after.  No hiccups at all.  Gun is nice, smooth shooting, and finally feels good to me.  Didn't notice the front mag half-round cut out while shooting.  When you pick the gun up it feels good in the hand.  Even better if you grip a Gen4 to compare, because the finger grooves you might not think you notice after you've gotten used to them, you will notice.

Anyways, I think this pistol is different in enough subtle ways to be really different overall.  Yeah, it's a Glock in design and principle...but not the same as older Glocks in practice.

YMMV, but if you grudgingly accept Glocks because you have to for work or other practical reasons, this one might be easier to tolerate.

"It's when you fuck up that you will hear from your peers, not when you are doing your job. We expect people to do their jobs, and don't praise them like six year olds who successfully tied their shoes when they do. " - Fatty

 

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Took off work early and went to pick up my new Gen 5. Took it to the range for a short test. Hopefully tomorrow when I have more time I can shoot more than the 50 rounds I did today. 

First thing I noticed is I like the pistol without the finger grooves. They never bothered me before, but I like without better.

The ambidextrous slide safety is whatever. I don't need it but it's not in the way. 

I like the beveled front/nose of the pistol slide.

The biggest surprise is the trigger. I was issued a new G17 gen 4 in January and after a ton of rounds I feel I am finally comfortable with that trigger. 

I have read all of the above and didn't appreciate what was said about the trigger until I spent some time with it. 

 

LPD "People ask the difference between a leader and a boss. . . The leader works in the open, and the boss in covert. The leader leads, and the boss drives." - Theodore Roosevelt

Yeah, the Gen5 stock trigger really makes the gun, IMO.  It gives all the advantages of a Glock trigger for duty use, and takes away nearly any minus.  Dry-firing doesn't tell the story like rounds downrange.  For me, shooting Glocks well has taken conscious effort and discipline.  Still, I fight the low left drift...swapping backstraps, trying grip force adaptors, ghost connectors, nothing seemed to make a significant improvement.  The Gen5, though, straight out of the box, no backstrap, no mods, and my performance was the overall best I've ever shot a Glock, versus effort I put into shooting one.  In other words, lots of juice for the squeeze.  If you're still not sure, shoot one.  Our main firearms guy tried mine today and was very impressed.  He's good with a Glock, but he recognized the difference and felt like it was significantly improved.

I do hope Tango Down/Vickers will shit out an improved slide release/stop/lock lever soon, perhaps even a non-ambi one.

"It's when you fuck up that you will hear from your peers, not when you are doing your job. We expect people to do their jobs, and don't praise them like six year olds who successfully tied their shoes when they do. " - Fatty

 

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So a slight update, I noticed my G5 17 doesn't seem to fit very well in my T-Rex kydex holster from my Gen 4 19.  Yes, two different model guns, but this holster is designed to work with any similar sized Glock.  It will fit into the holster, but is extremely tight and you can see obvious kydex wear on the slide when you remove it.  It appears that due to the slight change in slide profile (?) a form fitting holster like a kydex may pose some issues, where as a harder plastic retention holster (like a Safariland) probably has enough play to allow the few mm's of difference between gen 4 and 5.  

I picked up a red label 19 gen 5 last week. I have been shooting and carrying G19s or G23s for the last ten years or so, and I have to say this has been the best out of the box shooter yet.

 

One thing I noticed that I thought was interesting was the locking block. The gun is obviously two-pin, but the locking block has the channel for the third pin. Almost like the reverse of the later Gen2 and early Gen 3 9mm guns where the locking block was for a two-pin but the frames had a machine point molded in for the third hole to be drilled.

So, got to finger bang both the M&P 2.0 compact and the Gen 5 19 and 17 at the LGS today....

gotta say, as nice as the MnP was the Gen 5 grip and trigger were phenomenal albeit in dry fire. Im a 19 guy but that 17 was sick...

Probably gonna stick with the GLOCK at this point and try a Gen 5 before I switch out all my duty and support gear for a new pistola.

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Joined: October 2, 2007

Spacetaco posted:

Can anyone run some Magpul and ETS mags if you have them when you get the GEN5?  I have to wait until NOV. 2017 until I can even think about getting one. 

My 19.5 has about 600 rounds (duty/training) through it.  Most of those are from Magpul 15 and 21 round magazines.  No stoppages.  

Location: Southeastern PA

 

"Serenity now, insanity later..." Lloyd Braun

I do not have any of the ETS magazines, but have the 17 round, 21 round, and some 17 round with the ZEV 5 round extensions Magpul magazines and in the several hundred rounds I have fired they worked. I don’t have access to my round count sheet at the moment but it’s around 500 +/-. 

LPD "People ask the difference between a leader and a boss. . . The leader works in the open, and the boss in covert. The leader leads, and the boss drives." - Theodore Roosevelt

Picked up a Gen 5 G17 today. Im a G19 guy even though I have bigger hands. It just felt better and as it will be a primary duty weapon, not too concerned about the larger size.

Awesome trigger and grip...gotta find some sights

On a side note, walking in to the Cop Shop, ran into the GLOCK regional manager that Ive known for years as he was leaving. Hooked me up with some serious GLOCK swag for my troubles. Also the same guy who hooked me and a buddy up at the Vegas SHOT Show GLOCK after party at Cesars Palace....seriously the most  off the hook open bar free food shin-dig at SHOT......Nice to know good folks in the industry.

Gonna run it hard and hopefully post a review

on a side note....thinking about a Streamlight. TLR-1HL 800 Lumen instread of the SF X300U 600 lumen ....if anyone has any thoughts   

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Hopefully,  Agency Arms will adapt their perfect magwell to the G19.5 and cover most of the half moon cutout. Their magwell was perfect on my Gen4.  Sold it and upgraded to the Gen5. 

Doug
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Join:  11/04/2007      Loc:  East Tennessee

I don't own a G17 currently.  Thinking about picking up a G17 Gen 5 to go along with the G19 Gen 4. 

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