Government rejects Glock protest; Army's new handgun will be a Sig Sauer

Gov't rejects Glock protest

June 5, 2017 

The Government Accountability Office has denied a protest from firearms manufacturer Glock that sought to have the government reconsider its award of a 10-year, $580 million contract for the Army's new handgun to a competitor.

Glock filed the protest in February after the Army announced in January that it would award the Modular Handgun Contract to Sig Sauer for the company’s P320 to replace the M9 Beretta, the soldier’s sidearm for more than 30 years.

Monday was the deadline for the GAO’s decision.

Glock challenged the Army’s “interpretation of the solicitation regarding the minimum number of contract awards required by the” Request For Proposal, said Ralph White, managing associate general counsel for procurement law at GAO, in an emailed statement.

GAO denied the challenge, finding that the RFP allowed the Army to make only one award, although three were permitted under the proposal’s terms, he said.

Glock also alleged in its protest that the Army improperly evaluated its proposal. The GAO also denied that challenge, finding that "any errors did not prejudice Glock in the competition," according to White's statement.

Either Glock, Sig Sauer or the Army can request reconsideration from GAO. Each entity has 10 days after the basis for reconsideration, in this case the denial, is known to file the request, according to GAO regulations.

The original protest did not stop Sig Sauer and the Army from moving forward with the project, in part because Glock filed the protest after the official deadline, GAO officials said previously.

In April the Army announced that soldiers with the 101st Airborne Division would be the first in the Army to field the new handgun later this year.

The company released the P320 in 2014. It is adaptable to fire 9 mm, .357 SIG and .40 S&W ammunition. The Army will use the 9 mm variant. 

The P320 is a polymer striker-fired pistol that can be adjusted in frame size by the user and has interchangeable grip modules.

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Please, Sig. Don't slack on QC and make our boys carry a hunk of crap. Give them a good pistol, because when you need a pistol, you really NEED a pistol. 

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SPDSNYPR posted:

Please, Sig. Don't slack on QC and make our boys carry a hunk of crap. Give them a good pistol, because when you need a pistol, you really NEED a pistol. 

Based on what I've seen and heard, ain't holding my breath.

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Wow, the Corps is reportedly going in with a 35,000 unit buy.

It is better that they do it imperfectly than that you do it perfectly. For it is their war and their country and your time here is limited.

 

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DocGKR posted:

Not exactly...

How so?  It’s delineated in last month’s budget submission.  $180 a pop.  

Are you thinking it may not be funded?

http://www.secnav.navy.mil/fmc.../19pres/PMC_Book.pdf

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If SIG can sell pistols to the US MIL at ~$180 EA, I want to start placing bets on when they go under. The recalls on the civilian side are killing their business and selling at a loss to the USG only works if you're making up the difference elsewhere. $180 is jack shit for a gun that probably has a minimum of $75-100 in raw material cost in huge quantities. I'm going to have to do some homework on the costs but $180 EA doesn't add up unless they are sourcing accessories like magazines, sights, etc separately. 

They can lose money on every gun.  How will they make up the loss?  Volume.

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Benton Quest posted:

They can lose money on every gun.  How will they make up the loss?  Volume.

Uhh, math doesn't work that way.  If you lose money on EVERY gun, the more you build/sell, the more you lose.

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Dorsai posted:
Benton Quest posted:

They can lose money on every gun.  How will they make up the loss?  Volume.

Uhh, math doesn't work that way.  If you lose money on EVERY gun, the more you build/sell, the more you lose.

I think he's making a joke referring to the SNL skit about the change bank. 

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geronimo posted:

If SIG can sell pistols to the US MIL at ~$180 EA, I want to start placing bets on when they go under. The recalls on the civilian side are killing their business and selling at a loss to the USG only works if you're making up the difference elsewhere. $180 is jack shit for a gun that probably has a minimum of $75-100 in raw material cost in huge quantities. I'm going to have to do some homework on the costs but $180 EA doesn't add up unless they are sourcing accessories like magazines, sights, etc separately. 

The pistol is the prime item on the contract.  I am guessing that they break dead even or make a few penny's on each firearm but then make up for it on a variety of holsters, lights, lasers, magazines, optical sights, parts and etc then its a BIG WIN.

Federal contract opportunity W15QKN15R0002.   This contract is for the production and delivery of the XM 17 Modular Handgun System (MHS) which includes the handgun, accessories and ammunition.

 

The winner will have to be able to deliver 6,300 full-size pistols per month within a year and 3,000 compact pistols per month with in a year, according to the RFP.

The winning contractor will have to be able to ramp up to delivering 2.8 million rounds of ball ammunition per month within three years and 1.6 million rounds of special-purpose ammunition per month within three years, according the RFP.

 

 

Many companies do this on wide GOV contracts, remember that when you hear about a company selling armor packages to the GOV.  They will go LOW on the prime item which is put through the paces and evaluated, but makeup for it in the accessories which don't go through the competition & evaluation.

I cannot speak to the recalls killing SIG's business, as I believe that is either a perception issue or a spreadsheet fact.

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