Huge ultimate RAID pack thread

Cordura pockets inside, eh? I find the mesh useful as hell, as you can quickly spot what you have in each pocket. Seeing as my pockets are filled with all manner of random shit, that's pretty useful.

That said, durability issues favour cordura I guess.

Sounds like the 2nd Gen won't make the 1st obsolete, but will just be better for some users. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, and all that Wink
---------- [b]"Look, it is the four pillars of the male heterosexual psyche. We like: naked women, stockings, lesbians and Sean Connery best as James Bond. Because that is what being a boy is."[/b] [i] - Steve, 'Coupling'[/i]
armsdealer, have you seen any handheld card readers/scanners at the SHOT show with little screens on them being used by the exhibitors? They read magstripe (like a credit card) and 2D barcodes. If so, those are my old man's products

So, with regards to TAG, have they now more or less decided to continue to make the RAID without LF? Is that legal?

Cheers,
Pinky
"Fear has its use but cowardice has none." - Mohandas Gandhi I bet the main reason the police keep people away from a plane crash is they don't want anybody walking in and lying down in the crash stuff, then, when somebody comes up, act like they just woke up and go, "What was THAT?!"
More interestingly, are the 2nd Gen. RAIDs an improved design by Brad and co., or have TAG taken it upon themselves to improve the design?
---------- [b]"Look, it is the four pillars of the male heterosexual psyche. We like: naked women, stockings, lesbians and Sean Connery best as James Bond. Because that is what being a boy is."[/b] [i] - Steve, 'Coupling'[/i]
quote:
Originally posted by Pte.Pinky:
After exercising a little google-fu I learned that UCP is ACU (UCP does in fact stand for "Universal Camouflage Pattern," something that ACU is supposed to be).

Cheers,
Pinky


UCP is the pattern, ACU is the actual uniform but everyone has gone to calling the pattern ACU is seems.

Steve ____________________________________________ To err is human but to Arrrrrr Is Pirate

Update on the 2nd Gen RAID: it turns out the 'R&D Director' who was showing me the pack yesterday is also the CEO/Owner, Chris Osman. Great guy; I wanted to be sure he gets the credit for a superb job.

One of his reps was kind enough to let me take a couple of pictures today. It turns out that the interior Cordura pockets were an R&D effort, and that the actual production 2nd Gen RAIDs will have the standard mesh ones. I wasn't sure if I was happy about that or not; I love the durability of the Cordura but also like the idea of seeing what's in the mesh pockets. Anyway the decision is made already so mesh it is.

I also like the zippered map pockets on the sides and flap; I'm always trying to find a quick place to put hotel receipts, airline tickets, etc. so I think they add a nice touch.

The guy I spoke with today said the 2nd Gen RAIDs were going to be available 2-3 weeks vs. the 2-3 months (after the 1st Gen are released) that I thought Chris had told me. I guess it doesn't matter in the end if you're willing to wait. So patience is the word of the day.

Someone commented on the TAG-LF relationship and I didn't want to ask about that; bottom line is that these guys make a great product and I'll buy it from whomever is going to sell it.

Hope that helps - now do I have to get a Premium membership to upload photos or is there a way around that?

Pinky - yeah there are bar code scanners abound; I think the vendors have the option of 'renting' them when they are getting set up. Seems like a good way to keep track of contacts. Most are happy to just take a business card, though. I had mine scanned about 8-10 times before I realized SHOT has the wrong address for me in their system; so some guy is going to get pretty freaked out when he starts getting brochures for .50 Caliber sniper rifles in the mail.
armsdealer, if you set up a free account with someone like Photobucket(.com) you can host your photos on there, so long as their under a certain size (else it does a shitty job of resizing them for you).
---------- [b]"Look, it is the four pillars of the male heterosexual psyche. We like: naked women, stockings, lesbians and Sean Connery best as James Bond. Because that is what being a boy is."[/b] [i] - Steve, 'Coupling'[/i]
armsdealer: Thanks for the update, I'm curious to see this new 2nd Gen RAID now. As for the barcode scanners, those are the ones. When I found out my dad was supplying the SHOT show with readers I (jokingly... well, half jokingly) told him he should have sent me along with them. Oh well.

I look forward to the pics.

Cheers,
Pinky
"Fear has its use but cowardice has none." - Mohandas Gandhi I bet the main reason the police keep people away from a plane crash is they don't want anybody walking in and lying down in the crash stuff, then, when somebody comes up, act like they just woke up and go, "What was THAT?!"
Okay bear with me and my maiden photobucket attempt. One shot of the exterior and zippered map pockets, and one of the interior Cordura pockets (which won't be on the production models, but you can dream...)

There are other subtle changes in the pack that weren't worth taking pics of; I'm sure once the 'RAID II' goes online there will be a complete description.





Is it just me or did they lose a row of PALS at the top to make room for the zipper?

Eek They got rid of the top compression straps too!!! I love those things. Although the wider velcro panel would accomodate Canadian nametapes...

I'm not sure how I feel about the slot pockets closing with a zipper now. It would definitely keep SOME items more secure, but what about the ones that are too long or too wide that don't allow the zipper to close? I think keeping the fastex strap OVER the zipper would work much better.
"Fear has its use but cowardice has none." - Mohandas Gandhi I bet the main reason the police keep people away from a plane crash is they don't want anybody walking in and lying down in the crash stuff, then, when somebody comes up, act like they just woke up and go, "What was THAT?!"
There's velcro on the Gen 1 RAIDs as well, but it's a different shape (about 4 inches wide and it extends all the way up to the zipper).

There has never been PALS inside the RAID. Stephen explained this way back in the thread. The reasoning was that since most people would just slap on a couple of GP pouches they figured they'd make them standard.
"Fear has its use but cowardice has none." - Mohandas Gandhi I bet the main reason the police keep people away from a plane crash is they don't want anybody walking in and lying down in the crash stuff, then, when somebody comes up, act like they just woke up and go, "What was THAT?!"
Needles, it looks like the interior straps are removeable, but not gone. Notice the tri-glides inside. THAT is a good idea, Pinky approves.
"Fear has its use but cowardice has none." - Mohandas Gandhi I bet the main reason the police keep people away from a plane crash is they don't want anybody walking in and lying down in the crash stuff, then, when somebody comes up, act like they just woke up and go, "What was THAT?!"
+1 on the removable internal straps, the wider velcro, and the zippered front pocket (besides the removal of PALS).

Not so hot on the zippered side pockets or lack of top compression straps, though. Mine usually get tucked in the side hydro/comms ports and stay out of the way, but I did use them on my old Marauder, and probably will with my RAID at times.


EDIT: Looks like they've dropped the plastic keepers on the ends of the zipper pulls, too. Probably a good thing - I yanked 2 pulls off my RAID before I even used it...
---------- [b]"Look, it is the four pillars of the male heterosexual psyche. We like: naked women, stockings, lesbians and Sean Connery best as James Bond. Because that is what being a boy is."[/b] [i] - Steve, 'Coupling'[/i]
Sorry I meant to say 'more' velcro. I'm willing to trade a row of PALS for a zipper on the flap, but I agree the slot pockets are more functional for the sides. As this was a prototype, I'd imagine there will be additional design tweaks before it goes live. It will be interesting to see what the production model ends up looking like.
It looks like the zipper front pouch will create a large stress area if too much weight is placed in front side pouches. I like the KIfaru pocket style but it looks like the new RAID will have a weak link with that front zipper with no support straps.
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Originally posted by Shamrock:
It looks like the zipper front pouch will create a large stress area if too much weight is placed in front side pouches. I like the KIfaru pocket style but it looks like the new RAID will have a weak link with that front zipper with no support straps.


I dunno what kind of maps you're carrying, but mine are made of paper (laminated if I'm lucky) and they don't usually put much stress on the zipper Razz That is, if I'm lucky enough to be issued a map of the training area. Or if someone forgets to ask for it back

armsdealer: Did you happen to notice if TAG replaced the top two compression straps with some sort of load-lifter straps? Or do the shoulder straps now connect only where the strap meets the bag?

Cheers,
Pinky
"Fear has its use but cowardice has none." - Mohandas Gandhi I bet the main reason the police keep people away from a plane crash is they don't want anybody walking in and lying down in the crash stuff, then, when somebody comes up, act like they just woke up and go, "What was THAT?!"
Pinky,

I think that you misunderstood me. The contents of the map/slot pocket will not be the problem. What could put the stress on the upper zipper are heavy pockets such as those filled with 30rnd mags. With the older Raid, the front of the pack is one solid piece of material while the newer model has the top (highest stress point) as a zipper. Zippers work fine on a pack if you have a support strap to hold the weight but by looking at the newer model there is nothing but a zipper to hold the weight of external pouches. If you put a buckle on the top row of webbing and run a strap over the top it would fix this.
I concur, adding a zipper on the front panel weakens it as the stress is on the zipper.

One very important thing is all "expose" zippers have to be protected by a rain flap to reduce mud, sand and other stuff getting into the teeth.

Personally, I feel that this redesign is two steps backward.
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Adding two little flaps of rubber to protect the zipper does not strengthen it at all, but it does help protect it against the elements.
"Fear has its use but cowardice has none." - Mohandas Gandhi I bet the main reason the police keep people away from a plane crash is they don't want anybody walking in and lying down in the crash stuff, then, when somebody comes up, act like they just woke up and go, "What was THAT?!"
]TERIYAKI BOY[

Yes, it does not do much. Frown

Some companies are reversing the zipper where the "smooth" side is on the outside for easy cleaning and reduce dirt and grime to come into contact with the "teeth".
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I am also quite unimpressed with the looks of these "improvments". The RAID already has an easily-accessible map pocket on the inside behind the upper mesh pocket, so adding one behind the main PALS pannel with an unsupported zipper does not seem like a good idea to me. While I seldom use the compression straps over the top of my RAID (usually routing them inside the antenna ports), they can be very useful for strapping a warm layer or a sleeping pad to the top of the bag. They should not have been omitted. Also, since I almost always carry a Nalgene bottle in one of my RAID's slot pockets, I would be concerned about damaging those little zippers (on the new version) as I cram it in.

If they really wanted to improve the RAID they should have worked on the suspension system, which is (in my opinion) the only thing that keeps the RAID from being outright perfection. **Smiling to myself while fantasizing about a RAID with Marauder suspension**.

These look more like cosmetic changes rather than actual improvements. I wonder why, Hmmm...
A friend of mine was looking to part with an original OD RAID made by Eagle. Condition is used but excellent. He offered it to me first before trying to sell it elsewhere. Why would I turn down such an honor? So, some of my income tax return was invested in what is probably one of the nicest packs I've ever owned.

Anyway, I put on some OD Tactical Tailor Zippered Utility Pouches, an Emdom 4x4 SUV, loaded it up with my bug-out gear, and went for a hike today with my son. It was very comfortable to wear albeit it was not a very long hike. I hope to get out on a 10 miler in the next few weeks up in the mountains and bring this along.


I really like the 2 side-pockets. The left one has swallowed an entire liter Nalgene. The right holds my HAM HT nicely (antenna passes up thru the top, and I can run the mike over to the shoulder strap and clip it to a D ring).


Me overlooking one of New Hampshire's finest mosquito farms in the off-season. Smile


Some more pictures of the pack overlooking some more frozen wetlands.

-Paul D.

Londonderry, NH 

Hey there RAID-heads;

question; my insolent LEG brother just picked up a very nice Eagle ABN RAID - and he doesn't even jump (argh! the insult!) - any of you jumped with a RAID? I noticed it had heaps of "fruitiness" on the pack for the lowering line but it doesn't look like our system...

Please enlighten me on the airborne-worthiness of this rockin' pack..Big Grin
The Red, White and Blue Flag I salute has the Southern Cross on it :)
Does anyone, besides LF sell Gen 1 RAIDs? I want to get one in MC. Thanks.

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Not too impressed with the new RAID either.
The zippers are a BAD idea. especially the one on the front panel. I see blown zippers in the future. and lots of pouches flopping about afterwards.

Steve ____________________________________________ To err is human but to Arrrrrr Is Pirate

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