L/E Folder with glass breaker?

What's the consensus on a folder for L/E use that has some sort of glass break tool included in the design? I think I'm wanting a new knife for duty use/pocket clip carry, but recently I've started worrying about my lack of options for busting auto glass. It seems when situations requiring such action arise, there is not time or it is not tactically preferable to go back to the car to retrieve a tool to be able to effectively break auto glass...

 

I'm not interested in ASP caps or any of that nonsense since I'm actively trying to get rid of my ASP. So my thinking was, "what do I already carry that I can get this capability from"?

 

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Been running Kershaw for a inexpensive EDC folder now for about 8 years.Might fit the bill for you. I beat the shit out of mine and they hold up. Below is the Blur Rescue model with the glass breaker. Other models also have the same feature. At under 80 bucks not a bad EDC with added option. Post up what you settle on.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by rfi:

I'd get a Res-Q-Me.

 

Many of the LE agencies in our area have them zip tied to the spotlight handle in the car.

 

What do they do if you've got a suspect or somebody you can't take eyes off, but need to get through the window/get the window out of the way for ease of shooting/tasing/OC'ing if needed?  

 

Short of having a dedicated window breaker tool on my belt (I think that would be sort of a waste of weight and beltspace, considering realistically how many windows I'll need to break) I need something I can carry with me.

 

jvencius/ateixeira: yup and yup. Exactly and thank you, I'll check both out.

 

 

 

 

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I think they have them primarily for first response at car accidents and self-rescue if they end up in a car accident.  I'll see some troopers later today and ask them.
 
 
 
Originally Posted by LobsterClaw0351:
Originally Posted by rfi:

I'd get a Res-Q-Me.

 

Many of the LE agencies in our area have them zip tied to the spotlight handle in the car.

 

What do they do if you've got a suspect or somebody you can't take eyes off, but need to get through the window/get the window out of the way for ease of shooting/tasing/OC'ing if needed?  

 

Short of having a dedicated window breaker tool on my belt (I think that would be sort of a waste of weight and beltspace, considering realistically how many windows I'll need to break) I need something I can carry with me.

 

jvencius/ateixeira: yup and yup. Exactly and thank you, I'll check both out.

 

Gotcha. For that sort of thing I'm sure it works better than a knife-mounted tip anyway, I was thinking more in-extremis situations where going back to car isn't an option. Thanks for the food for thought regardless...

 

 

 

 

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My office looked at various tools for of breaching automobile glass commonly available to patrol officers. Some quick observations:

 

1. Our ERT guys have a glass breaker installed forward of the muzzle on their carbines. XS Sight Systems makes a similar device that attaches to your pistol-mounted light.

 

2. Bust a Cap makes a replacement end cap for the ASP that turns it into a glass breaker. While it worked as advertised, we teach a closed-mode direct strike with the ASP and having a sharp metal spike on the end of the baton is a no-go.

 

3. ASP makes the BreakAway Baton Glass Breaking Cap that is relatively inexpensive. The glass breaker is contained under the cap so you don't have to worry about losing an impact weapon.

 

4. Various pocket knives. I use the Kershaw Blur with Glassbreaker. You can pick it up on Amazon for $60.

 

5. An old-timer (road sarge) uses a spark plug and length of shoelace. If I recall correctly, he seized it off some punk in the 70's and kept it. Looks like crap but it works (kinda like the sarge).

 

6. There's a thing called the hammer-spike. Looks like a sharpened boomerang. Very effective but way too big to carry on the belt.

 

No matter the choice, the one thing we noted during our informal junkyard testing was the need to wear gloves. Inevitably, someone is going to get a handful of broken glass. We decided to recommend the knife with glassbreaker because our outfit is very leery of modifying our issued equipment (so 1, 2 & 3 were out and 6 was just way too cumbersome).

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I like the res-q-me that u can pick up on amazon in a two pack cheap for EDC on your key ring. I have gone back and forth about putting it on my cuff key ring as it is a little chunky.

For work, I was looking at the Houdini pro from benchmade but haven't bought so I can't provide any feedback. I like the ability of their cutting edge (not as a utility blade which u may want) and the included window punch.
Originally Posted by kings_own:

I know you specified folder, but take an honest look at the Boker Cop Tool. Good glass break, rescue hook, pry bar, cutting edge,chisel edge, and emergency stabby device.

Plus, it doesn't look like a pointy stabby thing.

 

I have a Smith & Wesson First Responder Rescue Tool strapped to the gear shift in my truck.

 

 

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At a TMAC's class last year Mac showed us his folder of choice, it was manufactured by TacOps and sold online from what I can remember. I can say it worked pretty slick on auto side windows during our vehicle tactics class.  IIRC Mac said they ran under $ 100 and held up pretty well for him.

I tested the res-q-me and was very happy with both the glass break and belt cutter.  I carry it on a lanyard in my admin pouch.  Actually the lanyard is in the pouch and the tool is out to the left so I can grab it with my left hand while keeping a handgun (in my right) trained on the BG.

 

I've used the Blackhawk hook looking folding tool with good results on glass.  When using to open a beer bottle, do not place your thumb on the serrated blade.

 

Harbor Freight sells a brass window punch I use to carry.  Worked great in training, but was heavy.  I ditched it for a tool with multiple functions and light weight.

 

As others mentioned above, wear gloves!

We have the 915 Triage issued to my agency. It works well. 

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Thanks for all the replies. Once again, and completely typical of this place, you guys fucking know a lot of shit. 

 

Malpaso: That thing looks good too, where is the glass breaker part, or am I just not looking in the correct spot? I have a bias towards pointy knives, but then again I'm probably 50 times more likely to pry something than stab somebody...

 

Bruece: I've thought about getting a GAT style glass breaker for my patrol rifle. For vehicle takedowns it seems like the only way to fly. I hate the ASP so I'm trying to stay away from that option.  I've heard the spark plug thing and that would be a good solution too, but it would mean carrying a spark plug around in my pocket (the ladies might get uncomfortable).

 

HSLD556: I might still buy a res-q-me to have in the cruiser, but I agree it is probably bigger than I want dangling from my key ring. 

 

kings_own: Same as the res-q-me, I might look at picking the Boker up to keep on my plate carrier or something, and then I could grab it as needed if time/situation dictates. For this requirement I'm definitely hung up on something I can carry all the time on or near my belt without adding extra shit. If they made a carbide tip for my flashlight I'd consider that type thing.

 

wlptpd3: I'll check that out too. Sub $100 is definitely in my wheelhouse for something like this.

 

 

 

 

 

Looking at the Gerber folder I carry now (that has sentimental value, and also ignoring the absolutely beat to fuck blade), I wonder if I couldn't find somebody smart and skilled with metal (cough Barry Milton cough) who could fabricate up a glass break tip for this existing knife, to replace the part I've got 550 cord hanging off. It looks like a pretty easy swap... what kind of metal is the "good" stuff for auto glass breaking?

 

 

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Originally Posted by LobsterClaw0351:

 

Malpaso: That thing looks good too, where is the glass breaker part, or am I just not looking in the correct spot? I have a bias towards pointy knives, but then again I'm probably 50 times more likely to pry something than stab somebody...

 

It's a different kind of set up. With the blade closed, you actually squeeze the blade into the frame and the glass punch protrudes from the end of handle. Sort of spring loaded, hard to describe, but I've carried one of these for a while and they're pretty useful, but like you said, not as a pointy think.

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While trying to search for exactly what kind of metal is the "best" auto glass breaker, I came across this guy's site:

 

http://www.bluesheepdog.com/breaking-glass/

 

No date on it, so I dunno how long ago it was posted. Has some of the same suggestions you guys already posted.

 

 

 

 

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and also:  hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Bruece mentioned this earlier and it must've bypassed my pea-brain cuz I was only thinking the carbine version. This is *very* interesting, considering it uses the existing holster....

 

http://www.xssights.com/Detail...=993221&CAT=8200

 

 

 

 

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I've used the tip of a Strider DB.  Probably not optimal but it was on me and got the job done.

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Originally Posted by LobsterClaw0351:

While trying to search for exactly what kind of metal is the "best" auto glass breaker, I came across this guy's site:

 

http://www.bluesheepdog.com/breaking-glass/

 

Good find! I had forgotten about the 'ol spark plug glass breaking move. Very effective ghetto bling...

 

I'm ordering one of the Kershaw offerings and waiting in the parking lot for the first to lock the keys in the car.

 

 

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I have the pistol GAT on my duty gun. Works very very well. I had to do a minor alteration to my duty holster but it fits.

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Originally Posted by PM07:

       

I have the pistol GAT on my duty gun. Works very very well. I had to do a minor alteration to my duty holster but it fits.


       


I want one badly, but just under 1/2 of what the X300U on sale was going for is rough... I wish it was like $45, not $80.

 

 

 

 

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Ridden on my janitor ring for years with no issues. Gloves recommended, and go for a corner to avoid putting your arm through the shower of tempered glass.

 

 

"Ninja rocks" aka chunks of ceramic from sparkplug insulators are also a fun trick, as already described.

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Hah, I forgot about that idiot. 

 

"What's this thing d.."

(finger bangs window punch)

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I'd still like to get that pistol GAT. I had considered the Vortex Striker flash hider for my rifle, but I just went with stock BCM setup. 

 

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I've carried a surefire delta folder for the past several years.  I haven't had to break any glass, but have cut a few seatbelts and some clothing.  They are not made any longer, but can be found with some searching. 
I saw two at a local gunship about a month ago, NIB, for $300.  It's very flat and carries great in your pocket.

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+1 on the Kershaw Rescue Blur.  I've only used the glass breaker for practice, but it worked equally well on car windows and sliding glass doors.  The blunted tip of the blade came in very handy when I had to cut hostages free after a shooting.

 

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There's also the SKD ZT 0360's. Been carrying mine every since I got it. Does all the pointy sharp knife things you expect a good folder to do and has the carbide tip in the handle. The placement on the tip is such that I have never noticed it while carrying, never snagged on anything, etc..

 

 

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Originally Posted by LobsterClaw0351:kings_own: Same as the res-q-me, I might look at picking the Boker up to keep on my plate carrier or something, and then I could grab it as needed if time/situation dictates. For this requirement I'm definitely hung up on something I can carry all the time on or near my belt without adding extra shit.

For reference I carry mine on my belt behind my mags at 11:30. The sheath it comes with slips down inside the belt loop of a Safariland style mag pouch when its mounted vertical and gains some concealment from being tucked away.

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Thats a pretty old pic and my belt has changed since but the knife has stayed in the same spot.

 

Originally Posted by Intransigent:
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Dito.

 

Another nice feature of the Contego is that the handle is considerably longer than most pocket knives, which provides a good bit of stand off distance for your hand, when using the carbide glass breaker.

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I use and highly the Benchmade 915. My company bought them for everyone and they are great little knives. Benchmade also has a pro-deal for MIL/ LE. 

 

The 915 does everything a knife should except that it's not an auto. (My only complaint.) The seatbelt cutter gets more use than everything else combined. I routinely use the seatbelt cutter for opening those crazy plastic packages that are insanely hard to get into. It really shines for that mundane application ad has stayed shockingly sharp over the last year+ of daily abuse. The regular knife edge is more utilitarian than fighter so if that's a consideration you may want to look at this as a specific tool. 

 

When breaking glass, make sure you wear gloves and use good technique. I see way too many guys who want to swing a glass breaker full speed for the middle of a window and it's always stitches time when they do it. 

 

 

An axe or a Halligan bar used to work great for me in the fire service. Just chipped away at the perimeter of the windshield, then pulled it out.

 

I didn't care for those Glass Masters. Didn't seem to always work very well.

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A long time ago when I was a fledling volunteer Firemen (15+) years ago, I watched an LT put a glass breaker and his hand through a window.  He wound up with stiches and we had to dig through the car for the breaker.  two take aways; practice good technique so you don' hurt yourself and two be prepared to lose the tool.  The two handed technique or going for a corner mentioned above are both good techniques.  Wearing gloves are a must.  As for losing the tool, I don't envision a LEO breaking windows for fun.  The safest scenario I can see for you is a kid locked in a car with the windows up on a hot day.  Then you punch a winodow away from the kid and unlocke the door, nice easu and safe.  If you are trying to get someone out of a bunrning car you can at least use both hands, but if you lose the tool, it's gone probably permanently, so i'd avoid anything expensive.  A suspect in the vehicle and you have all kinds of problems, that are well out of my lane. 

 

Personnaly, I'd use a springloaded center punch or one the those combination seabelt cutter window punch keychains seperated from any important keys would be a second choice. I've seen spark plug parts thrown through the side window of a car (awesome) and the car antena itself snpped off and used to break the window (dick move), I've also seen several accidents where the crash itself broke several windows for our convience.  YMMV.         

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Originally Posted by yakc130:

An axe or a Halligan bar used to work great for me in the fire service. Just chipped away at the perimeter of the windshield, then pulled it out.

 

I didn't care for those Glass Masters. Didn't seem to always work very well.

If you kept the glassmaster really sharp and got a good starting hole with the haligan tool they worked well for me.  I liked the cordless sawz all evene better.  Just keep it well lubed and you can cut the posts as well as the glass.

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Originally Posted by cd228:
Originally Posted by yakc130:
  I liked the cordless sawz all evene better.  Just keep it well lubed and you can cut the posts as well as the glass.

I forgot about that. The sawzall was the shit!

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Just be sure to use a coarse (wood) blade on the Sawzall and not the fine (metal) blade; the airborne particulates are an issue with the fine blade.

 

I've never had an issue with the Glass Master and ours haven't really be well maintained.

 

Agreed about gloves and hitting a lower corner of a window.

 

Also, be aware that punches won't work on laminated glass (or if there's a film over the window to provide tinting, etc).  Laminated glass is becoming more popular (I'm told) in side and rear windows.

 

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