Let's talk custom guns, with details

I want to talk and see and learn more about custom guns (Rifles and Pistols) that people have had here.  One of the funner aspects of shooting for me has been getting into the world of custom guns, or as noted Master Gunsmith Ted Yost calls them: Bespoke Guns.  Over the last decade or so, I'm lucky to have acquired some great customs (pistols for the most part).  And I know people here have some great guns, and I'm interested.  So for this thread I'd like to read about what you've got: Glocks, to rare revolvers. Let's see'em and read about'em. Some ideas for a post:

  • What's the "philosophy" of the gun.  Or yours maybe.  Is it for beauty? For a working horse? Some of both?  I want to know the fundamental "why" of the gun. I know a lot of this is subjective, that's why I'm interested in the why of it.
  • Which features you like because they look good? Which because they work well?  Are ergonomic? Which were mistakes? What were the positive and negative surprises?
  • Pics and details of what worked and didn't.

My first one on here:

A few years ago, I decided since I have some injuries (left elbow, both shoulders, and arthritis in my dominant hand) to move away from .45 1911's.  I sold a couple of custom 1911's in .45, a Rogers Precision and a Berryhill. I very much regret selling the Berryhill since Dave got me into customs in the first place and is now dead.  Anyway, I wanted to get into the 9mm of 1911.  Well, I started with a 9mm 1911,  and I'll review that later.  But what I ended up into is custom Browning Hipowers/P35s.  I've had the privilege of getting my hands on 3 from 3 of the top guys in that business: Don Williams, Jim Garthwaite, and Ted Yost.  I'm going to start with the Yost, since it's sort of my holy grail.  

My usual philosophy is work first, look good second.  Ted's P35 is the first I've owned where I went a little (ok more than a little) past that.  It was the third one I commissioned and I'd learned some about the P35.  My first two, which I'll review later as well, were an older C-Series from Garthwaite and a custom "working gun" MK3 (Ted Williams), both with the standard stippling you see on many custom HPs.  For this one I had one goal:  Ted's Signature Grade HP conversion on a HP Practical so that I could have it checkered rather than stippled.  For those who aren't HP nuts, most HPs have the serial number on the front strap and because of that 'smiths can't checker it.  For a brief time in the 90s, the HP Practical was made which had the serial on the side of the frame, making checkering possible.  

So I spent some time looking for good condition Practical and found one. Then I sent it off to Ted for the Long Wait.  Finally, about a month ago I got it back.  Wow.  People at a certain level just have skills I dream of.  So...after all that let's look at it:

First couple of pics and some thought process:  One of the reasons I wanted the Yost Signature Grade was for the beavertail.  The other, as I mentioned is the checkering.  You can see both here.  It's a very "1911" style tail.  and the checkering is done at 40 lines per inch.  BY HAND on a compound curve.  I'm told that's ridiculous. I know I couldn't do it.  So lets dig into that a bit.

Here's a picture of the frame being prepped for the beavertail (and the rails straightened and welded).  

You can see, Ted welds a block of steel and THEN finishes the steel into the beavertail.  I was blown away by that.  I assumed the 'tail was like a 1911. You get a mostly prefabbed part and it needed some welding and fitting.  Nope.  Ted starts with a block of steel and then machines it down.  So that block became this: 

That just amazes me.  The other thing you can see in the above photo is the checkering on the backstrap curves.  I think that between the 40LPI checkering (by hand with a file) and the beavertail, you're looking at two of the neatest and toughest artisanal skills in the gunsmithing world.  

Here's a pic of the beavertail and back after completion and finish:

There you can see the beavertail in detail, the backstrap checkering and the finish (Hard Chrome).

I'm usually not a hard chrome fan, but damn it's indestructible.  I live in a humid environment and spend a lot of time on the water and Ted only offers traditional bluing and hardchrome.   And I think it looks fantastic on this pistol.  The custom Spegel grips are really nice too.  They have a palm swell that the VZs don't have (although they recently released a palm swell version that I've not tried).

Another good pic of the front checkering: 

Here's a good image of the pistol overall: 

You can see the Ted Yost engraving where the grips would be.  The hardchrome, the shape of the beavertail, the short reach trigger and the contour of the rear sight (which is excellent).

Another "bespoke" feature is the curved arrow pattern of the flattened serrated slide top.  It's amazing work.  This is one of the features I consider well beyond "working gun" but hell, it's a Yost.  I wanted to go for the whole kit.

Sorry it's a little dark.  My photo skills aren't the best.  The other thing you can see here is Ted's gold line front sight.  He inserts gold into the sight and serrates it.  I'm now of reading-glass age and I've tried gold beads, fibers, different tritiums.  None of them hold a candle to this sight.  It is REALLY bright and easy for me to focus on 

Here's a picture of that from the rear.  It's amazing.  My new standard.  The downer is he only puts them on revolvers, HPs and 1911s that are full builds.  If you're interested, he does work with John Harrison and Harrison will install them on non-Wilson 1911s.

The last couple of interesting items:  In the first picture look at the safety.  It sticks WAY up.  At first I was not a fan.  But as I've shot it, I've found it really works for me.  Your thumb lands very naturally on it in the traditional 1911 thumbs-forward, "ride the safety" grip and it's easy to get back up when you need.

Shooting: 

Ted's reliability job is, as expected, just fine.  The gun feeds and shoots easily and accurately.  The short-reach and short reset trigger is the best trigger I've found on a BHP.  I don't think you CAN get as good as a top 1911.  My Berryhill, Rogers, and MARS all have/had slightly better triggers.  But this thing is the next best I've tried, and better than most semi-custom guns or just about anything else I've tried that's a 1911.  Call it 98% of a nice custom 1911 which for all practical purposes makes it as easy to shoot.

The safety clicks on and off nicely, and affirmatively.  You know where it is easily by feel.

Reloads:  My biggest complaint of the HP is reloading.  The grip is sufficiently small that the magazine well is narrow.  It takes a lot of practice and still you're going to catch the front of the mag on the well.  Never a problem I've had on 1911s (even without a well), Glocks, HKs, Sigs, or well, whatever.  It's still a problem for me, but Ted's beveling is the best I've found yet. It's rounded and smooth and seems a little quicker than the angled beveling I've seen/had on other guns.  Ted DOES offer a custom magwell, but I skipped it on this.

The beavertail is probably the key feature of this gun.  It just makes it easer to take the already light recoil and manage it even more.  It allows you also to really dig your hand in for a high 1911 style grip.  Follow up shots are easy and quick combined with the gold line front sight and the rounded and serrated rear.  I've found with my other HPs that don't have the beavertail that if you dig in super high the webbing of your hand sorta bunches up around the frame and it can get uncomfortable after a good amount of shooting.  So this really makes it like shooting a 9mm 1911 that has more rounds.  Fun, light to shoot, minimal recoil, accurate.  

Overall, this thing is ridiculous.  Does it do anything my old beater Glock or P228 does? Not really.  But hell, it's beautiful, reliable, fun to shoot, and is a great chat piece at the range. It costs a bloody fortune.  If you want a basic gun for putting holes in things, this really isn't that.  But if you want a "why does the dog lick its balls" gun, you might give Ted a shot.  

And if you want one, Terry at PT_Partners has a blued one for sale. Just don't blame me when your wife sees the bill.

Newt.

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Nice blaster, Newt.

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Very cool gun, Newt.  Ive divested myself from my custom HiPowers.  I originally went to them because I just didn't want to use a Glock/Sig/etc. as my 9mm.  I'm solidly a custom 1911 guy, so the thought of using a Glock wasn't a happy one.  

I had three, from some of the best.  Richard Heinie needs no introduction, and neither does Ted Yost, but many don't realize that Karl Sokol builds a damn fine gun.  My intent was to acquire CCW type builds, and the Yost and Sokol fit the bill perfectly.  The Heinie was more of a collector piece.

 

Heinie:  Great checkering, beautiful beavertail.  I wasn't happy with the placement of the rear sight, but I didn't commission the gun, so not my choice.  

Yost SRT:  no nonsense pistol, but perfectly executed.  thumb safeties are the best.  PERIOD.  Strangely, the trigger seemed to fell gritty really fast on this one.  I only shoot factory ammo, and it took a cleaning to get the trigger back to normal, but still a little odd

 

Karl Sokol:  Sleeper gun of the bunch.  It probably had the best trigger out of the three.  Another no-nonsense HiPower.  Karl builds user guns.  His revolver work is stellar, and his 1911's are no slouch either.  I had Frank Glenn re-blue it.  

It'll take awhile for me to sort through the custom 1911 pics, but that's where my heart REALLY lies.  

 

 

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Glock 22 Gen 4

I had Longeye Classic Customs install:

10-8 rear sight

10-8 .115 red fiber optic front sight

Apex Tactical Ultimate Striker Block 

Apex flat trigger

10-8 FDE magazine base plate

He did a great job! He is a helluva parts swapper!

I am proud to carry such a refined piece of classic hardware in the old school Kramer horsehide Vertical Scabbard. It is the sort of piece a serious gunfighting cop would have carried around the turn of the century.

This my current off duty and field gun. I have not been invited to any BBQ's, but it would work for that too.

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Seriously, that gun represents a simple but refined working gun. The few changes were done to improve efficiency. My philosophy is very much centered on function over form.

Sights and a cleaner trigger were all that really needed to be addressed.

The G22 G4 is fully reliable with a weaponlight mounted. It possesses double the magazine capacity of a Browning .45 and does so chambered for an effective round, no matter the brand or manufacturer. It is lightweight, which translates to less fatigue at the end of the day. It is easy to replicate. So a training spare can be made, or replaced if this one is sent to evidence. The metal work is all treated with space age Glock magic, so extreme environmental conditions are not worrisome.

It is simply a Working Man Special.

This may not be the place for it, but here goes: 1986 I'm just starting to buy guns as a beginning wanna be action guy. I buy a Hi-Power from Jim's Gun Robbery in Fayetteville, with the hopes of making it a bad ass blaster like the cool kids have. Novak's is what I'm after. At the time, no friggin money, so it gets relegated to someday. Well, its been sitting in my safe all these years, still stock, and with retirement coming, someday is here. My quandry, who?

I hear Novak is about to retire, LAV told me he would go with Garthwaite, I have heard stellar things about Sokol for years. I am facing paralysis by analysis. Bar-Sto or Kart? This guy or that? The usual causes of angst for these projects. 

My vision for this is a reliable, accurate, working style/shooting/carry gun. Not concerned about the BBQ stuff. I will probably carry it some, but gunslinger days as a J-O-B are pretty much done. What say the cognoscenti?   

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CWM11B posted:

 

My vision for this is a reliable, accurate, working style/shooting/carry gun. Not concerned about the BBQ stuff. I will probably carry it some, but gunslinger days as a J-O-B are pretty much done. What say the cognoscenti?   

Jim Garthwaite.  He can build it as low-key or High-brow as you want.  

CWM You can't go wrong with Garthwaite, Yost, Williams, or a Novak.  Sokol I don't know as much about, but great rep.  Personally I'd skip the barrel change, the BHPs are pretty accurate out of the gate.  I'll post up my garthwaite soon.  Love that gun.  It's the one I've shot the most.

Wilson Combat Tactical Special.  Built 11SEP1992.  This is the precursor to the current "Tactical Elite".  Wilson started making their own guns around 1996, with the 1996A2 model.  This is what the shop was turning out before.  This is a fully optioned model, and I think represents the full capabilities of the shop.  Serrations at the back and top of the slide were extra options.  These are rare guns, as I have only seen pictures af a handful of them.   I know where three of them (including mine) are, and haven't been able to find another.  From what I gather, there aren't many floating around,

The gun was built to be the softest shooting, non comped, 5" that could be built without looking like a space gun.  It uses a bull barrel, and locks up at the barrel cone as well as the flat surface of the barrel flange.  It locks and unlocks impossibly smooth, and is simply a joy to shoot.  the extra weight of the barrel does make the gun shoot a bit flatter than a standard gun.   The S.80 trigger system is beyond smooth, and most people can't believe that a trigger this nice can be had in a gun that's NOT a S.70.  

The build sheet lists an all-star cast of smiths: Ron Phillips, Vic Tibbets, Chris Peters, Jim Wilson.  

It's likely the best gun I've ever owned.

I'll do detailed reviews of the Williams (Action Works) and the Garthwaite when I have a chance.  Here's all three.  The Williams (middle, all black) is the most "basic working gun" of the three. It's built on a standard cast frame MKIII.  The Garthwaite is a pretty "elegant" build but really works.  I beat on it pretty hard and it shows the wear, but it keeps going.  It's a C-Series forged frame.  It give me a bit of a kick that the base gun has the same birth year as me (1974).

One interesting thing you can see in the photos is the difference in grips.  You can really see the swell of the wooden Spegel grips and the flatness of the VZ grips.

 

Here's a set of Jim Hoag Mastergrades that I recently sold to a friend. 

Built in the 80's, after he left King's Gunworks to open up his own shop, these represent a fully optioned pair.  They are Mastergrade models and were numbered as such under the slide.  The amount of welding and fabrication on this pair is just phenomenal.  The beavertails are welded up stock units.  There weren't suitable aftermarket options at the time, and Jim built his own.  Hammers were modified, triggerguards were heated up and bent into a squared shape.  The longslide was built by cutting two slides into pieces and welding them back up.  Hard fit Bar-sto barrels in each.  Checkering EVERYWHERE, and all done by hand.  I don't think anyone was doing work as beautiful as Hoag back then.  only pictures can do these any justice:

 

 

 

King's Gunworks Colt.  Built as a no nonsense carry gun, but also shows the level of work that King's was turning out many years ago.  Phil Jenkins (formerly of King's) told me that he might have built it, but it looks like Al Capone did the bluing at the shop.

Gun is pretty straighforward.  Barrel is fit well, including a heavy bushing, King's sights, King's beavertail and ignition parts.  Not the most heavily optioned gun, but absolutely stunning in it's configuration.

 

Wilson Comabt Colt Officer's Model.  Built in 2006, and rebuilt by Greg Derr 2015-2016.  

I picked up this Wilson built Colt, thinking that I could send it back to wilson for a rebuild.  I should have done my homework first, as they told me they wouldn't touch it.  If something was broken, they would honor the work and repair, but updating was out of the question.  The gun had a stock barrel/bushing and they said they wouldn't work on guns shorter than 5" that had bushings (they did debut bushing-equipped commanders this year).  The gun had beautiful checkering and a great beavertail fit, but the front sight was a millet dual crimp, and the barrel was loose.

Pistolsmith, Greg Derr said that he'd take on the work of rebuilding it.  He removed the front sight and had to reweld the slide because the millet install required two large holes to be drilled into the slide.  At the same time, we decided to do a bull barrel conversion on the gun.  but instead of finding a bull barrel for an officer model, Greg soldered a sleeve into the slide, so a stock dimension Wilson Combat barrel would engage as a bull barrel.  Greg milled in a Heinie rear sight, dehorned it, and refinished it in a beautiful blue.  Greg's finishing work is second to none.

Damn.  Just.....damn.

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CWM11B posted:

This may not be the place for it, but here goes: 1986 I'm just starting to buy guns as a beginning wanna be action guy. I buy a Hi-Power from Jim's Gun Robbery in Fayetteville, with the hopes of making it a bad ass blaster like the cool kids have. Novak's is what I'm after. At the time, no friggin money, so it gets relegated to someday. Well, its been sitting in my safe all these years, still stock, and with retirement coming, someday is here. My quandry, who?

I hear Novak is about to retire, LAV told me he would go with Garthwaite, I have heard stellar things about Sokol for years. I am facing paralysis by analysis. Bar-Sto or Kart? This guy or that? The usual causes of angst for these projects. 

My vision for this is a reliable, accurate, working style/shooting/carry gun. Not concerned about the BBQ stuff. I will probably carry it some, but gunslinger days as a J-O-B are pretty much done. What say the cognoscenti?   

Jim gun Robbery, Fayetteville NC 1986...as a Pvt...dude...we probably looked at the same guns at the same time. I browsed at Jims, then went to B&B and had them order it for me. Good duded over there..I bought my first HP from them..used owned by the owner with S&W K frame sights milled in...IDevenK what I did with that gun.

"paralysis by anaysis"..you stole that from me, didn't you?

 

Ya know what, I hate you guys....like I need anymore custom guns, or have the money for one...but here I am..

A MKII hi power, supposedly an Israeli contract gun, parkerized.  Right now, I'm leaning toward Williams, but may ping  Robar. Looking for a basic combat gun..seriously considering keeping the park..I like it. Does anyone mill in K frame sights anymore?

 

I hate you guys, BTW

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"Good landing, good fight, and good luck" James M. Gavin 09Jul43

 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

R. Moran,  dunno about the sights but Williams would be great.  Another option for pure fighting gun is MARS/Steve Morrison.  I think he executes pure fighting/working gun better than just about anyone.  and his Parkerization is the definitely the best, most even park I've seen.  Here's the Park on the 1911 he did for me. I love the way his park is so even and wears well.

Um, yeah.....might be outta my price range right now. Williams has a basic package for under 500...thats where I'm at right now...and thats stretching it.

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"Good landing, good fight, and good luck" James M. Gavin 09Jul43

 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

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This is an old roll mark Colt 1991A1 I bought at a TX gunshow..Passadena I think..I took it to Ed Vandenberg near Houston Tx. He has done a lot of work for me over the years, especially when I lived there.

It started off as the basic carry type gun, trigger job with S80s parts left in place...never had an issue with them. Ed Brown thunb and grip safety. Novak sights . At the time Parkerizing was his preferred finish, and I like it..factory barrel with fitted bushing. I think he did a new link also..but that may be another gun he did.

Of course, like all my 1911's it has gone thru some changes...

Grips have been ..well, who remembers all of them, but right now are OD gunners. MSH was left the stock plastic one for awhile, then an S&A mag well, right now  it is an S&A that had been worked over by Hilton Yam.

Later when I moved to Albuquerque, I had the DOE gunsmiths do some guns for me. I asked if they would install a Dawson mount...they offered to do their mount..you see it here...it is on a lot of ABQ swat guns also..and works with a 6004 for an M6 light.

I've run the gun in  few classes years ago, including a Hackathorn/Yam 1911 operators course, and a vickers 1911 operators course..or two.

Theory behind the gun...basic combat hostage rescue gun...what else?

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"Good landing, good fight, and good luck" James M. Gavin 09Jul43

 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

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Bob,  not really a fan or robar's stippling. And if they convince you to NP3 it, it will NEED stippling or checkering.  

I hear Steve builds a heck of a hipower

I'd probably skip NP3 on the outside, and stippling.

Right now, the idea would be to set the gun up as a basic combat/carry gun...but not do anything that will prevent further work in the future,  make it more difficult, or have to redo work..like re-finish it again and again. 

Reliability 

Sights

Trigger

maybe:

Recrown muzzle

Bob hammer

Bevel mag well

Hell, I could live with cold blue on the sight cuts....I've always had a soft spot for rough looking guns that had the field modified look. 

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"Good landing, good fight, and good luck" James M. Gavin 09Jul43

 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

Newt posted:

I'll do detailed reviews of the Williams (Action Works) and the Garthwaite when I have a chance.  Here's all three.  The Williams (middle, all black) is the most "basic working gun" of the three. It's built on a standard cast frame MKIII.  The Garthwaite is a pretty "elegant" build but really works.  I beat on it pretty hard and it shows the wear, but it keeps going.  It's a C-Series forged frame.  It give me a bit of a kick that the base gun has the same birth year as me (1974).

One interesting thing you can see in the photos is the difference in grips.  You can really see the swell of the wooden Spegel grips and the flatness of the VZ grips.

 

Newt,

lm standing by for your detailed review of the Action Works HP. I've got a Practical in my safe that I'd like to get up there ( Chino Valley is right up the road from me in N Phoenix)...

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Change of pace. Please don't skewer me for my poor taste or small budget. The fact that my camera, background, and photography skills all sucks is fair game. http://imgur.com/a/lUJP3

This setup started life as my HD and hiking gun. I wanted something that was very comfortable to shoot but also light and short enough that I wouldn't get tired of lugging it around. I'm also broke, so that was a big part of the build choices as well. Eventually I settled in using this while hiking and decided I'd repurpose it to fill a DMR slot while I tried to troubleshoot another gun that was giving me trouble. The fixed sights I had on here at the time got in the way of the optic so right now it's running without BUIS, which I hate, but it's still very comfortable to shoot. 

This is basically a very simple AR with a few basic tweaks. I built it from a box of parts that I selected over several months for the criteria of something light, with fixed iron sights, and that fit me and my sloth arms more naturally. So, parts:

-Upper-

BCG: Spikes Tactical. Very basic, nothing special.

Charging handle: BCM Gunfighter, Medium latch. Very distinct release, big enough to be easy to grab but not too large to start making it weird to case the rifle or snag on anything. 

Barrel: 14.5" Voodoo Tactical, Melonited, pinned Manimal flashhider. When I was getting the lo-pro gasblock installed a very nice local shop drilled two very shallow holes into the barrel and set screwed my gasblock in semi-permanently, for free. I owe the dude that runs that place quite a lot. 

Rail/Handguard: Matrix arms. Cheap but I haven't had any issues with rotation or such. There's an RVG on the bottom partly for use as a monopod and also to make for a comfortable grip in tandem with the light I've yet to mount on that forward rail. 

Optic: It's a Vortex Strike Eagle. Not awesome. But it works. And I'm satisfied with it for now.

-Lower-

This  is where It got a little "custom".  The lower itself is from TN Arms Co, and I had a little thing engraved on the side. Inside joke, more or less. Didn't try to keep it blurry but it worked out that way. 

Trigger: ALG QMS. Basically just a polished up Mil-spec trigger. I really enjoy the pull. It's not crazy light like some of the 3lb adjustables I've had and for this rifle that's ideal. 

Bolt release: Strike Industries enhances. Basically the little nub on the bottom you'd push to lock the bolt back is widened and textured. None of the issues of a BAD lever or the required modifications of a PDQ lever. Not too pricey either. 

Stock: I'd like to say I splurged here, but actually I got really, really, lucky. There's a local Milsurp place and I like to go loiter in there sometimes to see if I can get discounted kevlar panels to line bags just keep around sometimes. They had a SOPMOD stock in the case and I picked it up for around $25. It has all the right markings including the LMT stuff. I looovveee the cheekweld and it easily replaced a MOE carbine stock. I can't recommend this enough, it's probably the most comfortable stock I've ever shot. 

Pistol grip: K2 pistol grip. It's a big difference in grip angle over the A2 or a MOE and for me it's 100% preferable. Makes pointing and shooting that much more natural feeling. 

Sling: Just a Magpul MS4, in grey. Works fine for me. 

So that's my rifle. It's nothing crazy, but I like it and it runs as well as I could expect. The whole thing before the optic/sling cost me only slightly more than buying a totally bone stock AR.

...Wish I had the money for one of those pistols above me, damn. And that I was old enough to get one from an FFL. 

 

Pew, pew. 

VaporLullaby posted:

Change of pace. Please don't skewer me for my poor taste or small budget. The fact that my camera, background, and photography skills all sucks is fair game. http://imgur.com/a/lUJP3


...Wish I had the money for one of those pistols above me, damn. And that I was old enough to get one from an FFL. 

 

I'm not much older than you as a few LFers here will attest. However I will say this. Nobody here is going to give you shit for not having the priciest gun in town. Nobody is going to knock you for balling on a budget and doing what you can with what you've got. There are some LFers here who have some serious collections worth absurd amounts of coin. Those same people would never give anyone shit for not having the latest and greatest.

From what I gathered, OP says this thread is about what a custom gun is to you, what custom gun is it, and the why and how of the gun. Nowhere did he mention that guns below a certain dollar amount were being excluded.

For someone in their late teens/early twenties, you seem to be doing a lot better than your brethren who are rioting against Trump. You're posting here on LF so something must be going right.

I signed up here when I was 18. I'm 26 now. Nobody mocked me cause I was a kid (still am) who didn't own any high dollar guns.

That rifle looks sweet bro, keep on doing what you're doing.

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Vapor.  Keep it coming.  All things being equal, spending less and getting more is always a win.  I want to know what people find to work for them, because I'm quite sure I haven't tried enough for the purpose or the fun of it.

I wasn't expecting to get genuinely mocked, or at least I'd hope not. More my sense of humor and a "warning" that it wouldn't be the same HD 1911/Hi-Power porn that came before my post. OP and all the people that followed up set a real high bar and that's my backhanded way of saying so. 

Pew, pew. 

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G30, customized after a decade of carry. Currently not being carried (G21 at work, Shield everywhere else) but a similarly set up 17 is going to be in my future as is a 19.

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"Nobody is going to knock you for balling on a budget and doing what you can with what you've got."
 
I am going to give you shit about that damn single point sling though. I would trade it for a good two point, especially since you mnetion this being a hiking gun. 
 

 ETA: after looking at your pictures again, all you would have to do is install a QD socket on the rail.

I'll share about my ideal LE sniper boltgun project I did via GA Precision.  

I had just completed yet another sniper class with my issued Remington 40-XS.  Shooting wise, it was a relatively good shooting gun despite the excessive cost.  For field use, it sucked.  Long, heavy, and subject to all the R700 shortcomings.  Personally, I have sworn off Remington's for AI's a long time ago.  AI's are great guns but damn if they aren't heavy and cumbersome too.  I had always wished I could take an AI AE, unbolt it and get someone to set it in a Manners stock.  I came close to shelling out the coin a few times and seeing if I could make it work, but better judgement prevailed.  And even if I did, I was stuck on which optic I could get that is compact yet powerful enough to suit my needs.

During SHOT 2015, it seemed that all the stars aligned and all the road bumps in my plan were addressed.  GAP came out with the Tempest action that had the same bolt handle design, 60 degree throw, lug pattern, extractor, ejector that the AI uses and it would accept AW magazines that I already had.  Action: CHECK

I also wished that Manners had a lighter, thinner stock but would still accept a Medium Palma and have the adjustable cheek piece.  Again in 2015, Manners added the MH1A to their line and offered it with carbon fiber.  Stock: CHECK

And being an AI and Geissele user, I'm used to 2-stage designs.  The 2-stage trigger market had limited options for balancing crispness and reliability, but Tubb had just come out with the T7T trigger which was getting some good reviews.  Trigger: CHECK

Finally, we have the optic.  The S&B Ultra Short was a little out of my grasp, and I wanted more than what the NF 2.5-10x42 offered.  Luckily the 4-16x42 ATACR just showed up at the right time.  Scope: CHECK

So basically, I wanted something short, but relatively light.  I wanted the barrel under 20" and I wanted a brake.  The barrel profile and the Manners would certainly keep the weight well below what I was used to.  I had addressed many of the problems  I had with Remingtons and got as many AI style advantages as I could get.  In the end, I had GAP use their Gladius design as a template and tweeked some of their specs.  The result:

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I would say overall the project was a success.  In the short-range and any position but prone, it was solid.  Here are the results from a scrambler style course I had set up

2x Rounds kneeling supported off a deck rail at 85 yards

2x Rounds standing unsupported (off-hand) at 70 yards

1x Round standing tripod supported at 70 yards

2x Rounds wall/barricade (right) supported at 50 yards

1x Round wall/barricade (left) supported at 25 yards

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Sadly, the fleas in some of the components began to surface.  The Tempest action wasn't ready for prime time and would only digest soft primers reliably (which ruled out about 2/3 of my on-hand ammo).   GAP advised they could tweek it but that would increase the weight for bolt lift.  I also struggled to find the appropriate torque that the Mini-chassis seemed to like.  I think I burned up more than a few boxes before realizing that I and the ammo were not to blame for some impact shift issues.  Like most other projects if I had it do do again, there are some costs I could have cut and options I would not repeat.  In the end, it didn't prove to be a much better option than a  good SPR and it couldn't hold a candle to an AI as far as bolt guns go.  Ultimately it got shuffled up North and is now living life as a heavy hunting rifle instead of a light sniper rifle. 

JopnnPY

 

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