M&P 2.0

Ok, pulled out the tape measure for the trigger pull length.  With the Apex polymer trigger and kit, the takeup is a shade over 0.25".  Maybe 0.27"?  after the takeup, another 3/32" for press-break-overtravel.  Called 1/16" for the press-break and 1/32" overtravel.  I don't have a spring gauge to measure the trigger pull weight.

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Mark

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Joined:  2/24/2003                          Location:  Nevada, USA

I've been doing a lot of dry practice this weekend and I have more observations.  They can be isolated the Apex parts, or the combo of M&P 2.0 and Apex.  Decide that for yourself. 

There are essentially two ways of manipulating the trigger and the Apex parts give you an advantage either way.  My normal way of shooting is to draw and clear the holster, rotate the elbow down, gun up so the muzzle is pointing forward (close contact shooting position).  Push the gun forward and the support hand comes off the chest and acquire the grip.  I thumb the safety off when the gun is pointed at the target and moving forward.  My finger normally goes to the trigger as I'm reaching full extension and acquiring the sights.  My accustomed and normal trigger operation is to take up the slack and when I have the sight picture and sight alignment I complete the press and fire.  The Apex parts help with this as well.  Take up is light and smooth and then stops at the sear.  You can clearly feel the stop.  Press a little more (1/16") and it breaks with almost no overtravel.  This is very nice.

However, inexperienced and experienced shooters sometimes "slap" the trigger, i.e. there is no initial takeup, just finger on trigger and all the way back with no two stage operation.  I had to struggle to make myself do this, but I did.  The result was the same, no movement of the sights when the trigger was pressed.  The takeup was light and smooth enough, and the actual sear break and overtravel so short, that the transition did not affect the sight alignment.  Nice.

One last thing.  The Apex package comes with a replacement trigger return spring as well.  It actually increases the trigger pull weight a little and I opted not to use it.  But for those who choose to go the Apex route, be advised that you can modify the trigger pull for slightly lighter or slightly heavier depending on your preference.

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Mark

Swear allegiance to the flag Whatever flag they offer

Never hint at what you really feel

Teach the children quietly For some day sons and daughters

Will rise up and fight while we stood still

 

Joined:  2/24/2003                          Location:  Nevada, USA

I loaned my sample to a counterpart in another agency that  went to the 320 a couple of years ago. He's shown it to some other agencies, shot the piss out of it, etc. Told me if it had been available when they went Sig, good chance they would have adopted it. 

Most everyone whose shot it likes it. I've put several hundred rounds down range, used it for demos, and shot both our state and agency courses with it. I shoot it better than the standard. The addition of the medium large grip makes it just about perfect in my hand. I showed it to the local Glock rep when he came by the shop and his comment was "Damn, they fixed the trigger all right" I like it pretty well. I just need to get it back so we can get more folks shooting it. The neither confirm or deny type confirmation is that this summer a mid sized/G19 like version will be out. Truthfully, I can rock this one concealed just as easily.

Location: North Carolina

I bought mine, a 5",  a couple months ago to shoot production in action pistol.  The trigger is way nice as is, I'm having to kind of reteach myself trigger control compared to the Glock I had been shooting.  The M&P2.0 I have is crisp enough that I tell myself 'press' when the sights settle and the shot breaks.  I haven't put new sights on it yet, and let me tell you, FDE with sight black sprayed on the sights to cover the white dots, looks funky.  Maybe I should have made an effort to mask it?

About 1800 rounds of 115gr with 4.7gr Titegroup through it without a bobble.

 

Thanks guys...leaning back to the M&P as I am having issues with the Gen4 GLOCK trigger....left POI 

 

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Joined: October 2, 2007

Mine is a 5" FDE safety model.  All the 5"s had thumb safeties.  They were on sale and I was using Cabela's bucks.

I need grip plugs so folks don't complain I've altered the weapon's safeties.  S&W says they are out of stock. 

Does anyone know where they might be in stock?

Thanks!

 

DLehr posted:

Mine is a 5" FDE safety model.  All the 5"s had thumb safeties.  They were on sale and I was using Cabela's bucks.

I need grip plugs so folks don't complain I've altered the weapon's safeties.  S&W says they are out of stock. 

Does anyone know where they might be in stock?

Thanks!

 

Those things are seemingly always out of stock everywhere. I bought mine from Speed Shooter Specialties but they are out of them now. They do have email notifications for when they are back in stock if you can't find them anywhere else.

https://www.speedshooterspecia...p;keyword=frame+plug

 

I've been very happy with my 2.0. Life has kept me off the range the last few weeks but I've got a couple thousand trouble free rounds through it. It will shoot 3-4 inch groups at 25 yards with anything, and under 3 inch with good ammo. It would do better in more capable hands.

Joined: 1/19/2010   Location: West Virginia

One of my guys (former SWAT, Firearms instructor, patrol sergeant) switched from his HK VP9 to the M&P 2.0 (9mm) 

For what its worth, he finds the grip angle and bore axis more natural and shoots its more accurately than his VP9 and GEN 4 GLOCK 17. 

Im still not impressed with the trigger (dry fire only) but am willing to give it a try

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Joined: October 2, 2007

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