M&P SHIELD Magazine Megathread.

Formerly known as the "M&P SHIELD Magazine Failures? MagGuts Upgrades?" thread.

The first post with the new purpose is at the start of page 2. I'll do a direct link to it when I get some time and also clean up some of the early posts.

 

 

I'm strongly considering picking up an M&P Shield as a BUG, and I was looking at magazine extensions when I came across this:

 

The guy seems like a bit of a doofus, however...

Anyone else run into this?

ETA: I fucked up the title, this is for SHIELD mags.

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Original Post

I've carried a .40 Shield  as a off duty/BUG since 2012, from the first production run. I have purchased several additional spare mags for it and  personally have not had any magazine issues with any of the magazines. Runs with my duty G23 as far as reliability and accuracy in concerned...i also have  G27 as a BUG, but the shield is easier to conceal/ dress around in warmer weather

 

Dorsai should be along in a minute .... 

Until then, <data point of one> I have a shield and put a lot of rounds through my 7 and 8 rounder mags. I just checked my carry 7 round mag and it fits 7 rounds properly.

No malfunctions.

The only difference I can see is my mags are steel colored and not black like the first video. My shield and mags are older 3'ish years.

9mm Shield, offduty and BUG. Probably about 500 through it flawlessly.  Several others i work with, same or more.

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My magazines are a brushed silver color, not black.  I've never had an issue or problem loading them to full capacity and I've never had a malfunction.  Maybe 200 rds.  I shot it, made sure it works and shoots to point of aim.  Then I set it aside as I have other guns that I like shooting better.  The Shield shoots well and doesn't have objectionable recoil, I just like shooting others more.

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Cool beans. I think I'm fixin to pick up a BUG.

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Joined: 04Nov2007         Location: Indiana

Mine lives in a Mika vest rig 12 to 14 hrs a day, and an RCS Phantom the rest of the time. Both work well as an on and offduty combo. Enough so ive spawned 3 other Shield purchases among coworkers...

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I have the Shield 9mm and love it. It is my main EDC gun in the summer here in AZ.  I have probably 600+ rounds through it. I have had 0 failures with any of the mags (7 or 8 rnd).  I also recently added the HYVE +2 basepads to 2 of my 8rnd mags.  Have probably 200-250 rounds though those with 0 failures. 

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I'm with Dorsai, that mag appears to have been coated/refinished which may have contributed to the issue. The Shield magazines are stainless steel. I owned a TS model and traded it for a NTS. Additionally, I purchased over 30 at work and about 100 spare magazines. They are all stainless. We had one of the first T&E guns they put out, and fired over 8000 rounds through it with no issues. I have not yet experienced  what is described in the video, and I have watched thousands of rounds go through these guns. My personal one probably has over 1500 approaching 2000 through it in training, qualification, and teaching. I have not had an issue such as this. It is hard to tell, but it looked like the spring may have been inserted in backwards when the video guy disassembled it, or it could simply have been  faulty. No such thing as a zero defect product. A sample of one does not an epidemic make. The fact that S&W agreed to send him a new spring is an indicator that they stand by their warranty, not "something is going on." for the most part, aftermarket stuff of questionable quality is what I see cause guns to go down the most. I wouldn't worry about this  at all. Get on, ring it out, and once satisfied, carry with confidence.  

Location: North Carolina

I can't help but think that something like this could in theory happen to any spring contained or constrained within a tube.  Possible, but not likely.  I've never had it happen to any magazine or any retractable ball point pen either. I think this guy is just stirring the pot for some unknown reason and with an induced malfunction of his own creation.

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Dan Morton posted:

I've carried a .40 Shield  as a off duty/BUG since 2012, from the first production run. I have purchased several additional spare mags for it and  personally have not had any magazine issues with any of the magazines. Runs with my duty G23 as far as reliability and accuracy in concerned...i also have  G27 as a BUG, but the shield is easier to conceal/ dress around in warmer weather

 

That's something I've been wondering about.  I have a G26 and was wondering if the Shield would be easier to carry concealed AIWB in hot weather.  Thanks for the info.  

Concur with Mojo. I just watched the second video. Wanna bet dude has Some interest in mag guts? Methinks there is more potential for binding or other malfunctions with two springs and a coupler in the tube. Pretty sure every reputable firearm manufacturer have qualified mechanical engineers who have figured the whole magazine thing out.

Location: North Carolina

2damnold4this posted:
Dan Morton posted:

I've carried a .40 Shield  as a off duty/BUG since 2012, from the first production run. I have purchased several additional spare mags for it and  personally have not had any magazine issues with any of the magazines. Runs with my duty G23 as far as reliability and accuracy in concerned...i also have  G27 as a BUG, but the shield is easier to conceal/ dress around in warmer weather

 

That's something I've been wondering about.  I have a G26 and was wondering if the Shield would be easier to carry concealed AIWB in hot weather.  Thanks for the info.  

I'm in AZ, so I know a thing or 2 about hot weather...  

During the summer time, when I am wearing shorts, a T-Shirt and flip flops, I mostly carry my Shield AIWB.  During the "winter" months when I am wearing jeans, I mainly switch over to my G19 w/ XC1.  I carry this AIWB too. 

The Shield is easier to conceal AIWB. The slimmer size is definitely noticed and makes it easier. That's not saying I can't carry my G19 AIWB. I can still carry my G19 when I am wearing shorts, but you do notice the size difference between the 2.  If I am going out at night, I usually switch over to my G19 / XC1. 

I had a TLR-1 on my G19 for a little while.  But, for the life of me, I couldn't carry it comfortably concealed.  So I sold the light and started carrying my G19 "plane".  Recently I got a XC1 for my G19.  I (personally) find it much easier to conceal my G19 w/ XC1 than when I had my TLR-1 on it.  

I use to have a G27 that I carried.  But after I while, with the size and width or the G27, I figured I'd might as well be carrying a larger pistol, so I went with my G19.  I find very little difference in carrying my G19 over the G26/27 sized pistols. 

I have recently been kicking around the idea of getting a M&P Bodyguard .380 as a pocket pistol for those RARE times even my Shield is a little too big to carry.  

Sorry to veer off topic a little....

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Recently sold the Shield since I could rarely find a situation were I couldn't conceal my M&P compact.

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Ok, so I picked one up yesterday.

I'm not sure how the thumb safety is going to work. The guns I typically carry have a large and relatively stiff safety. You can't miss them, and they're in the right place. The one on the shield is REALLY easy to miss. That is a software problem, but one that will take some conscious effort.

My initial thoughts on the gun are as follows: Fuck that. It is like shooting a Desert Eagle, but with nothing to hold on to. Ok, it isn't that bad - but - when the smallest gun you own is either a USP Compact or a P30, your 9MM M&P w/X300U probably has twice as many rounds through it than all of the other handguns you own combined, and the last time you fired a handgun was probably 18 months ago... the little fucker jumped a lot. I mean we're shooting a real caliber through a real small gun, it ain't designed to be fun to shoot.

To add to my problem, I had to used a modified Pat method of applying lubricant. In the absence of something to cut the tip off the new bottle of Slip2k, I unscrewed the top and poured it into the gun. This works just fine on an AR, but it might be a bit much for a pistol. If you've ever seen a chick with a nice (not fat) round ass in tight pants that could be described as "Two dogs in a gunny sack fighting over a greasy ham." - well, my shield was essentially a greasy ham. I ended up having to use an empty mag to lock the slide back when the line went cold.

This is not meant to be "Primary" CCW, this is meant to be a BUG and absolutely nothing else. I typically pocket carry a USP compact, but I can fit a P30L w/X300U in there without issue. This is what happens when you live in a city full of socialists and have to deal with people who will call the Police in a heart beat if they even think you're carrying a gun, but welcome violent fuckheads with open arms. I don't care that I don't enjoy shooting it, I only care that it reliably goes bang and can hit what I'm aiming at. To end on a positive note, I was very pleased with the accuracy.

 

Now then, with regards to the the title of this thread... I shot 75 rounds through each magazine. I got (I assume the standard) 1x 7rd, 1x 8rd. Sometimes they would take full capacity, sometimes they absolutely wouldn't. If the cap -1 round felt like the full cap round should feel, there was no chance on earth another one was going in. Speer Lawman vs Speer GD didn't seem to make a difference, and I'd say the issue started at about 50% and got worse until I said fuck it. I was there to get acquainted with the gun, and I could fuck with the magazines on my own time.

Having dealt with the H&K USP series 10 round mag clusterfuckery (ALL of my USP Fullsize .45 ban cap mags were absolute failures), I've got a pretty good idea of what is going on.

On the USP mags the spring would hang up on part of the absolute shit ban cap floor plate retention system. The floor plates were designed to absolutely limit the mag to 10rds, and the springs would hang on part of the assembly. Once the spring got caught, coils would overlap, the spring would be compressed past well beyond its spec, and the magazine was fucking worthless.

When I finally gave up, I observed the magazine and noticed that while the first round was right up against the feed ramp, the second round was not parallel. Viewing through the holes in the side, it looked like this was going on with each round relative to the previous. The bottom round was damn near parallel to the bore. At this point, I unloaded and re-loaded 5x to see if I could get a full mag, but it refused to cooperate.

It is likely the mag design is fine. I see you masochists up there with your multi thousand round counts and hundreds of magazines. The fact that this dudes magazines were black rather than the stainless everyone has mentioned... uh, ProMag? However, I'm having issues with standard factory mags.

It could be user error. The rounds are at one hell of an angle at the feed lips, and there isn't much room for a fat thumb to push down on the back of the top round while using the next round to push down on the front. I could be tilting the follower and causing all sorts of fun shit.

Bottom line, I think there is absolutely something happening to the spring - but it is entirely possible it is my fault. It certainly feels like the magazine spring is not tucking up under the follower as designed. I've got some shit going on this weekend, but I'll have a heart to heart with it next week and see if I can figure out what is going on.

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Joined: 04Nov2007         Location: Indiana

Not all of us have huge pockets and a tiny dick....

 

I could never pocket carry what you do. Even a Shield could be tough. But IWB its the Rule 1 gun for me i always have on except at home (kid issues) but far larger firepower is 3 seconds away in fast access safes.

 

I use an Uplula loader, it helps on the last rounds. The gun is more controllable with the 8s, but very shootable with 7s. I shoot a lot of small guns.

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As far as the thumb safety...  When I bought my Shield there was no option for one without the safety.  I have never used my thumb safety.  I verified it worked, disengaged it and have never put it on again.  If there was a No Safety model out when I got mine (like there is now) I would have bought that one.  That said, I never pocket carry mine.  It always goes into a AIWB holster. 

When I 1st got my Shield, the mags were pretty tight to get the last round in (both on the 7 and 8 rnd mags).  Once I loaded them up and let them sit for a week or 2, they seemed to be much easier to fully load. 

I actually find my Shield very easy to shoot.  I shoot it better than a G26.  It is a very accurate little gun too.  I can very easily shoot a qual at work at 25 yrds with it (we are only required to shoot at 7yrds and in on subcompact / backup guns) and we often shoot steel at 50 yards with the Shield. I only use the 8rnd mags though. I have 3 or the 7rnd mags, but they are just sitting in my ammo bag.  Since I got the +2 basepads on my 8rnd mags, it's even easier to grip. 

And on a side note - if you go to that guys Youtube channel, in the comments of his video someone asks him about his mags being black instead of stainless.  His answer was that he "painted them".  

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Thumb safety or no thumb safety.  This is my recommendation.  Get/use the one that operates the same as your other common or more common carry guns.  My favorite shooters and carry guns are the Browning Hi-Power, various 1911s, and the M&P.  All have thumb safeties in the same location that operate the same.  So my Shield has a thumb safety and when I shoot or dry practice with it, I use the safety.  When I carry it, the safety is on.  Anyway, if you don't like thumb safeties and your primary doesn't have one, don't use/get a safety on the Shield.  If you're like me, use the safety.  Keep that muscle memory simple.

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FastSS posted:

 

... The fact that this dudes magazines were black rather than the stainless everyone has mentioned... uh, ProMag?

Nope. Checked his comments section on boob tube. He stated he PAINTED!?!?!?! them. No potential issues there, huh? 

Location: North Carolina

There was no option when I bought mine and while my primary carry gun has  always been a Glock for the last 15 years I treat it like a 1911 and ride that safety down all the time and keep it off.  Its very positive going on or off, and theres been a few times ive used the safety when a holster was not in use (lockbox in a car or jail, etc).

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  • FWIW, I got a thumb safety 9mm Shield when they first came out, paid too much, but liked it and ultimately got a second one. All bone stock, expect for blacking out the sight white dots.  Well, actually the second one "self-blacked out the front sight, as the white dot went down range on the first magazine load. 

Just left the range, did 75 rounds of 115gr Fed ammo and the count of the Shield is now 600 rounds (the other is at about 700)  mixed 115, 124 and 147 gr practice and CorBon and Gold Dot SD ammo. Probably about 6 mags per pistol, most the 7 round version.  Never had a problem loading to capacity, never had a feed malfunction (save one where I didn't fully seat the mag ).  When new the mags were hard to fully load, but was able too with just thumbs, they have eased up now .

Most common carry is in a Milt Sparks SSII, but around the house in cargo type shorts, a cheap Uncle Mike's pocket holster works out OK. 

In addition to a bunch of FS semi's, I've got a couple of G43's, that "feel" smaller than the Shield, but I honestly shoot the Shield a little better and do appreciate the TS, if only when holstering.  YMMV

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Comfort Issues

I use the pearce grip extension on my carry 7 rounder and then carry an extra 8 rounder with the "magwell adapter" removed (thanks to a Dorsai tip on mag bite).  The pearce keeps the profile small and gets my pinkie on the grip making the grip feel much larger in my hands and makes shooting it very comfortable.  I can carry in gym shirt and shorts riding a bike with my kids and no printing. The 8 rounder with the adapter removed feels a little funny but doesn't affect my shooting. I figure if I need my second mag I got much bigger problems then "it feels funny".  I use Proctor's WOTG Covert belt to keep my extra mag(s). Its pretty ingenious design.

Pocket Carry

I would never personally pocket carry without a pocket holster or Vanguard 2.  Mechanical safety or not. I carry AIWB for CCW. If running or fast-packing I keep it in my AIWB holster in one of my backpack pockets or Hill People Gear Runner Kit Bag with the belt loop secured.

I have pocket carried my shield in my back pocket in my AIWB holster for quick property checks because the wife "heard something". I just deal with the extra step of pulling it out of the holster as opposed to the potential of shooting my ass off.

Regarding what and how, yeah - I get it. I put a ton of money into pants until I found the right one. I can go into method of carry elsewhere. This thing will likely only be carried with 7rd mags and the factory base plate. If I have to fuck with a couple 8 rounders (extensions, etc) so I can put more rounds through it... sure, whatever. I don't mind, but I'm going to carry it in the smallest configuration possible.

What in the ACTUAL fuck is this "pistol smith" RETARD doing painting his fucking magazines? I thought the red loctite to keep the spacer on the 8rd mag in place was pretty smart, the rest of it didn't impress me at all... ooh, you polished some shit *jerking off motion while rolling eyes*. I've owned a Kel-Tec P32, I've got a Sc.D in Fucking Polishing Shit - literally and figuratively.

I can't even on the painted mags.

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Joined: 04Nov2007         Location: Indiana

I have 2 Shields and carry one without a safety everyday as a BUG in a custom pocket holster by 5Shot Leather in a cargo pocket set up.  500+ rnds through it without issue.  It's carried more regularly off duty in summer AIWB and at the gym 5 days a week in a a pistol-wear rig.  250+ rounds through wife's Shield with safety without issue. I also have approx. 20 mags for the Shield and all have been fired at some point through both guns with no mag issues.  Mine are keepers

I had some time to get more intimate with my Shield, and its magazines. I don't know about the rest of you, but I find inspecting and hand loading each round into a magazine to be somewhat relaxing. I needed a lot of relaxing.

With regards to the mechanical safety: Once my hands didn't look like ground zero (no pun intended) for the Exxon Valdez or Deepwater Horizon incidents, the safety was not an issue. I still have issues engaging it, but disengaging it isn't a problem.

On to the magazines: Absolute user error. I hold the magazine in my support hand, press down on the top round with my support thumb, and then use my strong hand to apply more pressure with the round I'm inserting - I mean fuck, we've all loaded magazines, this ain't rocket science.

I was not applying enough pressure with my support hand, and causing the top round to "nose dive". The case rims would actually interlock causing the two rounds to take up more space than they would otherwise. Depending on how fucked everything was, I could either almost get another round in, or the 6th felt like the 7th and there was no way another round was going in.

At some point while trying to recreate the issue, I heard a noise similar to what is heard/described in the video. I'm not going to guess at what it could be because it didn't free up any room in the mag.

Whatever, shes a keeper. Apex goodies and a 10-8 rear will be on the way shortly.

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CWM11B posted:

What is the issue you have with engaging the thumb safety?

My hands came from the factory with relatively normal size palms but short stubby fingers. When engaged, swiping down, the knuckle of my thumb sits squarely on top of the safety. When disengaged, the knuckle sits slightly in front of it and works together with the guard to keep my thumb off of it.

I'd say its working as intended, because it makes it virtually impossible for me to accidentally engage the safety while firing. With my H&Ks, my thumb just sits on top of the safety. I'd think having a safety that big on the Shield would be contrary to its basic design principal.

I just need some time with her, and in large enough blocks that I can figure out how best to accomplish certain tasks. I have to break my firing grip so significantly that I may just reach over the top and use my support side thumb to engage the safety in a motion similar to clearing a stove pipe, chambering a round, etc.

For now I'm just happy that I can get it into the fight without having to change any software or hardware. I still haven't fully figured out when/where/how I'm going to end up carrying it. The Morrigan at 4:30 is a good start, but less than ideal for a BUG and certainly doesn't fit into the realm of "covert carry" - as in a method of carry that requires no cover garments.

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Joined: 04Nov2007         Location: Indiana

Difficulty engaging the safety?  For me, it is much easier to disengage the safety than to engage it and I am perfectly happy with that.  To paraphrase someone else, no one ever won a fight by putting their safety on faster than the other guy.  I don't care if I have to work a little bit to put it on safe after a gunfight.  I only care that it sweeps off easily and every time.

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Dorsai posted:

Difficulty engaging the safety?  For me, it is much easier to disengage the safety to engage it and I am perfectly happy with that.  To paraphrase someone else, no one ever won a fight by putting their safety on faster than the other guy.  I don't care if I have to work a little bit to put it on safe after a gunfight.  I only care that it sweeps off easily and every time.

Agreed 100%

I'm just mental at the moment and my posts are less coherent/articulate than usual. Been a long couple months, and an even longer couple weeks.

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OOOOOk, so I ordered a MagGuts +2 for my 8rd and +1 for my 7rd. These are their current "Z Spring" iteration.

I decided to tackle the 8rd mag first. The spring  is a cunt to insert, wants to make itself look like intestines in the mag body, and is generally just a bitch to work with. It didn't help that the fucking follower kept coming out past the feed lips. Whatever, maybe I'm having an off day.

The floor plate has a gap in the rear, which is covered by the spring retainer... But if it works who gives a shit, right? I eventually got it together. Fuck me it would not take the 10th round... and then it "settled" as the instructions described. I unloaded it, reloaded it, and while it would take the 10th round, shit looked odd. I stripped the first round off, and this is what I was left with:

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Oh, I'm sure that'll feed. I ended up trying to strip the remaining rounds as the firearm would by using a plastic flat head screw driver in the cutout at the back of the magazine. It didn't go well, and was repeatable 3x in a row. When I put the magazine down, it popped. Upon inspection, I had a magic fucking follower:

dafuqfollowerdafuqfollower2

It flips up into that position, and down into the correct position, with less force than would be needed to flip a light switch. Abort, fuck this shit. 100% over it. Not even going to range test it. In fact, I'm so over it that I'm not going to "upgrade" the 7rd.

I'd unloaded it since A.) I was going to do it next, and B.) I needed to borrow a couple rounds anyway.

I loaded it carefully per my previous lessons, and I got the audible click that is mentioned in the video in the first post at the 4th or 5th round. The 7th round wouldn't go in. Like not even kinda. I pull the rounds out, and I end up with this:

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Yup, that is for real. As I start looking, I notice I can see the spring through the sides...

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I'm reasonably sure that spring coils running nearly parallel to the magazine body is probably a bad thing. I pulled the spring out, and although a couple coils unbound, this is what I ended up with:

dafuqspring2

Apparently my photo is also being a piece of shit, because that is horizontal on my screen. Anyway, you get the idea.

I'm officially out of the 7 round Shield business tonight. For reference, my SN starts HMW. I'm not sure if this is a new thing, if I'm just stupid, or what the fuck is going on. All I know is I have an Apex kit and 10-8 rear sight sitting at home and a gun that I'm getting irritated with.

I know I'm good at breaking shit, but this is a bit much. As with all things springs, once that bend happened, the spring is fucked. It now clicks every time on the 5th round and will not take any additional.

Fucking sweaty ballsack cuntlord.

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While that certainly sucks, I do have to say I was laughing my ass off reading your post...   

I only know 1 guy running the maguts in their shield, and it's working OK for him.   But in a side note, my HYVE +2 base plates are still running solid with 0 malfunctions.  I've turned a few people at work onto the HYVE base plates and so far everyone has been 100% happy.  

 

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FastSS,

I am probably late to the party in this discussion, but I'll chime in. I carry the S&W M&P9 Shield as a BUG in a DeSantis Nemesis holster in my reaction side cargo pocket with the Safety OFF. I have experimented carrying it on my vest and other areas, but reaction side cargo pocket seems to fit the bill for me. 

Anyway...I carry it with the alleged "flush-fit" 7 rd. mag, giving me a total of 8 rds. or 124gr. 9mm Gold Dot on tap. I haven't had any problems with this gun or the magazines, and I've put a lot of rounds through it. Although it is a small piece, it doesn't shoot as bad as, say, an airweight J-Frame, so I find it enjoyable to shoot. My only gripe is, although the magazines lock in tight, there is the not-too-frequent occasion that my leg may rub against the car door, actuating the mag release while driving around in the squad and the mag may become unseated. This is laregly due to my chosen location of carry. It has only happened 2 or 3 times in the couple of years I've been carrying it, but I make it a point to check that the mag is seated/locked in every time I exit the vehicle. 

Reliability has never been a problem with my mags. Hundreds of rounds through them. I just find that the mags I have don't sit flush with the mag well. Is it a problem or purely cosmetic, I don't know? Maybe your "MagGuts" remedy that issue?

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IANQ - Next up are they HYVE baseplates, which is where I should have started. I was intrigued with the idea of getting +1 in the factory 7rd, since that is what I intend to carry it with.

DC - Mine has a gap as well. Cosmetic only so far, but certainly an indication that something may not be quite right. My USP Compact has a gap... it's also had the same loaded magazine in it for >10 years, with all kinds of shit hitting the finger lip on the magazine - my guess is that something (magazine or catch, both) needs replacing. I understand it on a pistol with some history. My Shield doesn't have much of anything, let alone history.

 

Oh and speaking of H&K: When I first looked this up, there was pretty much only the video in the first post, and that guy is arguably an idiot. I thought it was isolated and blamed myself for doing something wrong. But wait, what kind of quality pistol self destructs because *gasp* you might have been  a little ham handed when inserting rounds.

Um, none that I can think of. I've had the base plate spontaneously combust on a Walther P99 which caused it to act like a reverse party popper. My M&p 15-22 mags can get cantankerous, but that isn't all that uncommon with .22LR.

Nope, the only gun that I've owned which was this fucked up was an H&K USP .45 Tactical with bullshit 10rd mags and the most legendary worthless springs on the planet. The springs did the same basic shit that these are doing. Their answer? "Call Wolff springs." - advice I was unwilling to take on a $1200 pistol, but will try on the Shield.

Also, if you search for spring issues now, there are a bunch of similar cases that have popped up in late 2016. Since magazines are the issue, I'm guessing it effects people like me who recently bought their gun, and possibly anyone who buys current production magazines.

Or, they got a bad batch of springs and only a certain production time period is effected.

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Joined: 04Nov2007         Location: Indiana

I just looked at my mags / gun and noticed they all have a little gap at the mag.  Honestly never even noticed it before. 

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This thread is going to change. Something ain't right here, and it isn't just my imagination. As I mentioned in my previous post, I didn't think I was the only tin can in the proverbial dump. That is usually how things work. Now I know I'm not the only tin can based on the following:

I ordered up some mags from 44Mag.com. 1x 7rd, 3x 8rd.

Oh by the way, they're running a sale. $17.00 for factory 8rd mags. Not shitting. http://www.44mag.com/product/m...e_8/smith_and_wesson

I also ordered a MagGuts +1 and +2 kit (which I think I mentioned), a pair of HYVE +2 base plates, and a 10 pack of springs from Wolff.

One thing I learned from the H&K bullshit is that taking shit apart, visually inspecting it, and taking pictures of it will go a long way towards identifying possible shortcomings. Unfortunately in the case of the 7rd mag I got from 44Mag, I had forgotten the picture part. You'll just have to believe me that the spring was straight when I got it.

I hand loaded/unloaded the new 7rd mag a total of 20 times. While this isn't the same as shooting it, it is something I can do in my underwear in the comfort of my home without driving 45 minutes to the range. It also puts reps on the spring, which is now bent slightly forward at the coil where it tightens. It has always taken all 7 rounds without issue and feels like a "normal" magazine.

For contrast, the original 7rd magazine was a whore the first time I loaded it, continued being a whore while I was at the range to the point where I wouldn't bother loading it to full, and became completely useless within a couple load/unload cycles while working with the MagGuts kit as shown in the picture above.

Seeing a blatant difference in how the two magazines handled, I started looking for some sort of indication that they are different - and they are. I'll post pictures when I get this rolling, but I found differences in the bodies. I've not taken them apart to look at springs or followers yet. Changes to the body may be inconsequential, but they do indicate a difference.

When I get time (I should have plenty this week), I'll start taking pictures and measurements of magazines and mods. For science... and to rebuild some confidence in a pistol that is giving me H&K Clinton Gun Ban magazine flashbacks.

And since I've lost confidence in the magazines, I'm going to end up shooting the fuck out of it. I'm reasonably sure a wise man has said that you should run 1k through a gun before you trust it. Yeah, we're going there. I picked up a Pearce grip extension so I can comfortably test the 7rd mags (in standard and MG+1 configurations).

Regarding the MagGuts upgrades - I like the concept of the +1 in a 7rd, and I'm willing to try it. Since the factory 7rd spring already took a shit, I've already got the MG+1 installed in the factory mag. Mine is the current flat spring iteration. Aside from some quirks, I can see it possibly going the distance. 8rd in the same space as 7rd ain't bad, assuming it works.

I don't plan on using the MG+2, but I'll assemble a magazine with it just for measurements and photos.

I DO plan on using the HYVE+2, but they're fucking massive.

More to come.

BTW, did I mention $17 8rd mags? Insanity!

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"A pistol is what you carry when you do not expect a problem. If you expect a problem you can't avoid, and you are not taking a long gun, you are not very smart." - DM

 

Joined: 04Nov2007         Location: Indiana

I don't blame you. Did I mention they're fucking $17ea for factory S&W 8rd Shield mags? It's insanity!

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Joined: 04Nov2007         Location: Indiana

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