Pack for Disneyland and Day Hikes??

I am in need of a new pack.  1st use will be for a Disneyland Trip in 3 weeks with the family.  I will be carrying water, snacks, cell phone chargers, jackets, etc.  2nd use will be for a day hike type pack.

I would like something a little less "tactical" looking, but honestly I'm not opposed to it (see my last bag choice).  I would like to be able to hold a Hydroflask, but it's not a deal breaker if it doesn't.  I would like some organization for smaller items and big enough to hold jackets and other gear... but not TOO big of a pack.

I was looking at the:

Kelty Map 3500
Kelty Redwing 44

But I was also looking at the:
5.11 RUSH 24.
5.11 Covrt 18

Any suggestions on other packs to check out? Especially that would be good for Disneyland and other trips.

Any experience with the 1st 2 packs?  I've owned a RUSH 24 before, so I know that pack pretty well.  

 

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I'm a big fan of the Maxpedition Pygmy Falcon. Comes in a number of colors if you don't want to look tactical.

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Let the "mission" drive the purchase. Look at the heaviest load you would carry and then buy for that. 

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Pappy is selling a pack for $100. 

http://www.lightfighter.net/to...74#48600951547889874

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avn mech posted:

I think that's a little large to take to Disneyland...😉

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I’ve taken both a Rush 24 and a Kelty Redwing 44 to Disney World.

The Kelty trip was December of last year and was the perfect pack.

I carried much of what you mentioned and found it great to carry a LS shirt and fleece for every person in my family (Me, wife, 2 kids), water, snacks, chargers, cameras, etc.  I really liked all the external pockets and loops as I attached everyone’s water bottles with caribeeners (sp?) so they could hydrate without having to open the pack. I even used the laptop sleeve to put a painting my kid made when they got picked to paint with a pig during a show.

Seriously was the perfect pack for Disney, especially when compared to the Rush 24 I took the time before it.

Since then I’ve also humped the pack all over on hikes.

Get on Expertcity.com as I got mine for like $60. 

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TheTick posted:

I’ve taken both a Rush 24 and a Kelty Redwing 44 to Disney World.

The Kelty trip was December of last year and was the perfect pack.

I carried much of what you mentioned and found it great to carry a LS shirt and fleece for every person in my family (Me, wife, 2 kids), water, snacks, chargers, cameras, etc.  I really liked all the external pockets and loops as I attached everyone’s water bottles with caribeeners (sp?) so they could hydrate without having to open the pack. I even used the laptop sleeve to put a painting my kid made when they got picked to paint with a pig during a show.

Seriously was the perfect pack for Disney, especially when compared to the Rush 24 I took the time before it.

Since then I’ve also humped the pack all over on hikes.

Get on Expertcity.com as I got mine for like $60. 

Thanks!

Was yours the older or the newer style one?

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Also, what about the Kelty Redwing 50?  It's not THAT much larger than the 44, but "Technically" per Disney, it is too large to go into the park (by 2").  

I haven't been to Disney in a while.  How picky are they on backpack size?  Would the Redwing 50 be too large??

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Haven't been to Disney in years but going by the crowds, anything bigger than a 30L would be awkward.

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Yeah, I'm thinking the 50 will be too big... But I am liking the Redwing 44. Still looking though 

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Arcteryx Khard or Assault 30?

I have a Khard45 which is the bigger bro to the 30L. Carries loads well, and with the all around zipper it can act as a top, side or panel loader for access to your contents within. Velcro within to add pouches for organization. Comes in everyman black, Crocodile or Multicam. No molle, Velcro or such to give away as overtly tactical (except for the new "Assault" name embroidered on).

https://leaf.arcteryx.com/ca/en/shop/assault-pack-30

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For a slightly smaller size (can sit at your feet/lap on most rides without looking like your suiting up for Op Market Garden) try https://greyghostgear.com/coll...tealth-operator-pack

lit can hold a decent amount of stuff without being huge, and in black doesn’t atract too much attention. 

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Before my last Disney trip with the family, I picked up a MR Booty Bag.  It was big enough to comfortably carry provisions for my family (a three y/o and a five y/o).  Where the bag really shines is security lines. It has one internal pocket, but is otherwise just one open pouch so it’s easy for them to search. If the line for bag search was huge, my wife and I would hand carry the contents and roll up the Booty Bag and stuff it in my pocket. Once through the line, I’d just refill it.

Although it’s not a day-hiker, it’s cheap enough to buy for Disney and other trips, and let you buy whatever size hiking pack you want. 

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ianq posted:
TheTick posted:

I’ve taken  a Kelty Redwing 44 to Disney World.

 

Thanks!

Was yours the older or the newer style one?

It’s this exact one (color and all) which I think is the newer version:

https://www.keltyDOTcom/redwing-44/

I never had any problems at Security as I would just unzip the pockets as I was walking up and the main compartment is a full zip so they could lay it in its back and open it all the way up and check it out without messing up the packaging on the contents.

The pack really shines with its belt system being tied into the aluminum spine. Put it on, cinch the belt above your hips, then pull the shoulder straps tight and the pack is incredibly comfortable with the weight.

My family doesn’t fuck around at Disney and we get there when the park opens and stay till it closes and I humped this pack the entire time for 7 straight days plus a day at Sea World with no issues.

I would get the color I got because the darker colored ones (I think) make it harder to find your stuff. Even the interior is light grey and easy to see stuff in.

It certainly wasn’t too big or cumbersome.  It got used as my carry-on on several flights and got stuffed under seats and shit for going on rides.

I am that pleased with this pack as it worked perfectly for our 8 day Disney trip plus other amusement parks since then and hiking trips in several PA parks.

I don’t have the Rush 24 anymore as I was issued it and turned it back in. I do have a Rush 12 and it feels heavier than the Kelty.  If you want to see a side by side for size comparison or have any specific questions about the Redwing 44, PM me your cell or email and I can send you pictures and shit.

There are also pretty good review videos of it on YouTube.

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FourNinerZero posted:

Arcteryx Khard or Assault 30?

I have a Khard45 which is the bigger bro to the 30L. Carries loads well, and with the all around zipper it can act as a top, side or panel loader for access to your contents within. Velcro within to add pouches for organization. Comes in everyman black, Crocodile or Multicam. No molle, Velcro or such to give away as overtly tactical (except for the new "Assault" name embroidered on).

https://leaf.arcteryx.com/ca/en/shop/assault-pack-30

That's my vote.  The Assault 45 is TSA compliant for size/dimensions as carry-on luggage, and it also comes in Wolf Gray.  I love mine.  

A different thought for the OP:  How many times do you figure you'll be going to Disneyland with the pack?  I ask because it seems you'd be using it for just about anything else a hell of a lot more than a Disneyland trip, which might be once or twice, correct?  I'd drill down on your other requirements for a day hiker first and foremost.  Judging by what you listed you'd be carrying in Disneyland, you'd be fine with a used beater pack of everyday variety off of eBay or something similar.  If it gets beat up or stained, no big deal.  Just my two cents, but it seems the importance of your day hiker requirements should exceed that of a pack to be used for a short vacation with extremely light loads placed in it.

A couple Disneyland tips for you if you're not aware of these already:  If it's raining, expect far fewer locals in attendance.  They can go there a lot easier and with greater frequency and can be choosy about the conditions.  It probably won't rain hard, and the lines will be much shorter.  Years ago we went there for five days starting on New Year's Day.  Best. Plan. Ever.  The only wait we had there for about three days was the brisk walk to the ride/attraction entrance.  I recommend the Park Hopper Passes, and getting Fast Passes.  Bringing in food and snacks goes a long way in saving lots of money.  There's a pretty good phone app you can use which shows the real-time wait times for rides, saving you time and frustration of walking across the park just to  be confronted with a long line and wait time.  I highly recommend that.

I do have a smaller pack (Camelbak Hawg) but I have been wanting a larger day (or2) pack for hikes and for longer trips (also to use as a carry on when traveling).  So I have been looking for a larger pack than what I've had for a little while.  I'm just using Disneyland as an excuse to go buy it now...   I used my Hawg last time (5 years ago) when I had less kids and it was even a little too small then.  So I do want a larger pack and I want one that I can use for my other requirements so I don't end up buying 2 packs....

 

I've looked at the Arc'teryx 30 before and I like it a lot, but I was trying not to drop $300 on a pack right now.  

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My Hill People Gear/First Spear Packs are the absolute comfiest I've used as far as shoulder straps. Currently My First Spear Comms Pack (Small) is my current go to pack. I have a HPG Tarahumara as well that is perfect size for day hikes to me that I currently have listed for sale because its sat in a closet for a year. I just don't do day hikes near as often as I would like to. Both packs are about the same size and should fit your needs depending how you like the zipper to open. They are closer to the 5.11 bag size that you listed I believe.

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Ok, so I went to REI and Sportsmans Warehouse to check out packs.  At REI they had the Kelty Redwing 50, and REI Co_op Trail 40 and an Osprey Skarab 32.

I decided the Redwing 50 was too large.  I liked the Osprey Skarab 32 and the REI pack.

At Sportsmans they had the Redwing 44.  I liked this one a lot too. 

The only pack I wanted to see, but didn't, was the Redwing 32 (to compare it to the 44).


So right now the 2 I am really looking at are the:

Redwing 44
Osprey Skarab 32

I'd really like to see the Redwing 32 to compare it to the 44 though. 

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I very recently went through this very same decision process. I'm close enough to Disneyland to get the local discount on season passes and have visited the park over a dozen times in the last two years. Some were day trips and some were long weekends. I'd been using a Grey Ghost Gear Stealth Operator Pack in their discontinued blue & grey color. It's 14-15L so it's on the small side, but very unobtrusive. With wife & 3 kids, it was maxed out, but if you're smart about packing it's very doable. Even when it rains here, it doesn't really downpour for any length of time like other areas of the country. Average is 2-3" of precip per month in the winter.  We've gotten by just fine every time with just a cheap $1 "emergency" poncho, silkweight polypro shirt, and pair of spare socks for everyone, plus snacks and water and other little ancillary stuff. Layers that get shed after the morning starts warming up still fit.  

We'll be doing a little more traveling soon so I've decided to plus up to a new slightly larger pack. I also looked for a pack that I could use for long dayhikes or short overnighters, but honestly anything larger than 30L just seemed too big for my main purposes. I'd rather have the right pack for the right purpose. I ended up deciding on the Deuter Speed Lite 20 pack. Not too big, not too small, just right. The compression straps can be used on each side or wrapped all the way around and connected to each other to hold bigger items on the front of the pack. Shock cord can be woven through the the loops on the front of the pack to hold jackets etc. With the straps and bungee cord, I can strap real rain jackets for everyone to the outside of the pack if needed, and still have all the other stuff I usually take plus a bit of extra room. 

If I wanted something bigger for long day hikes that could turn into an overnight, I'd pick up a Deuter ACT Trail 30. I really dig the top load and panel loading feature to access top, bottom, or middle of the pack as needed. I'll probably end up grabbing one sometime in the spring or summer. If the REI Coop Trail 40 just had compression straps, it would be a winner, but not being able to shrink the bag down to stabilize it with less-than-full loads, or strap stuff to the outside, makes me pass on it.

I'm a fan of Deuter bags. Good quality for the price, and usually have the features I'm looking for. They're not as popular in the US, but they're all over Europe. While not a deciding factor, I'd rather be mistaken for a European tourist than an American in most cases where people watch for and notice such things.

After looking at so many packs, I think it would be hard to go wrong with any of the quality brands mentioned, with one caveat. If it's got any sort of suspension system, do your absolute best to try it on in person before buying. Some people find certain packs super comfortable while others can find them physically painful if they don't fit their body size or type. This is one of the reasons I really like REI, even though they're generally more expensive. They have a killer return policy. No questions asked for up to a year on most gear. The employees that I've talked to actually encouraged buying stuff, trying it for a while, and returning it if it didn't work perfectly for you needs.

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I would suggest go smaller for Disney.   We went this summer to Disney world.   I took a north face pack I have that is about 40L with a bit of a frame and it was a pain in the ass on some rides.   Too big to jam between my legs on some rides.   Had to “check” it a few times.   At the Harry Potter ride in universal there are no bags and the lockers available would not fit my bag so I left it with the ole lady while I rode with the kids.   

 

Truth th is you don’t need a lot of gear.   A few snacks, sun block and some of those cheap Walmart plastic ponchos for the water rides and a rain shower if you get one. 

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Yeah, the more I'm looking and reading, the more I'm leaning towards a pack in the low 30L range. Then maybe buy a larger pack later for overnight trips / hikes / etc. 

But with a wife and 5 daughters, I definitely need something bigger than my Hawg. 

Who knew picking a pack would be such a pain!  😁

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The Redwing is a great pack. I've had a couple of the different sizes over the years and they have all been awesome. The Redwing used to be the perfect pack that I rolled into and out of OIF with when I was doing two weeks on/ two weeks off for a couple of years. 

My small pack pick for easy stuff like this is an Eddie Bauer Stowaway 20L. It might be a tad small for 5 girls and a wife but two of them (one for each adult) might be better than one big pack. I can throw in some water bottles and rain shells packed down small and still have room left over. I'm not a fan of backpacking when I am out trying to chase kids. The lighter packs that let me carry just enough without killing myself at the end of the day make it all much more pleasant. The bonus to the Stowaway is that it folds up into its own pocket if you end up wearing the extra stuff. This lets you condense your load significantly. 

I think the lower profile and comfort of a smaller pack is worth the reduced carrying capability. 

 

And if the two small packs for the adults is an option, the  Grey Ghost Gear Stealth Operator Pack  that two of us recommended would be fairly low profile and carry enough

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Thanks for all the suggestions and help!

After looking around and going to REI, I really liked the Osprey packs.  I ended up buying a Manta 28 off a member here.  Should be here Monday or so.  

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Pls post an AAR. 

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This is the pack I'm taking to Disney next week - an old model Mountain Hardwear Scrambler.

It's 1600cu so about 26L - a little smaller than what you guys are talking about BUT its super light (11oz), has a bladder pocket if I need it, has two small pockets on the lid for keys/pens or whatever, and the bungees to hold a fleece or cheap ponchos. I'm a light weight backpacker so I have no problem with the size or style of the pack. Also, it's as far from tactical as it gets.

It'll be myself, my wife, and 2 kids (7 and 2) for 4 days. Obviously we'll have the stroller for the youngest and that has a small storage basket underneath.  We are also considering taking a HPG Runner Kit Bag to keep the phones, wallet, and cash inside but I'm not sure yet.

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avn mech posted:

Pls post an AAR. 

Just a little update - AAR...

Pack worked really well.  Wasn't too big (I was able to take it on every ride we rode) but was still large enough to carry what we needed. The mesh back panel worked really well in keeping air flow between my back and the pack and keeping you cool and no "back sweat".  I thought it was "gimmicky" when I read about it, but it honestly worked very well. The 2 side pockets worked really well in holding our 2 water bottles.  I didn't want to take my hydroflaks in case they were lost / stolen, so I used my mountain bike water bottles. 

In the main pack, I carried my cell phone battery charger, an  Anker PowerCore Speed 20000. It had plenty of juice to charge our 4 (then only 3) cell phones multiple times... (Wife dropped her cell phone into the lake at Disneyland on Day 1).   Also kept extra water bottles (3-4 500ml) in the main compartment, cheap ponchos for the water rides and sweatshirts were stowed there when it warmed up during the day.  Top compartment was perfect for sunglasses and small items. 2 side pockets were perfect for small 1st aid kit, small med kit and various other smaller items and my beanie. 

Also, the included rain fly worked well when riding the Grizzly River Run in California Adventures.

Overall, I'm really happy with this pack. 

On a side note - Disney's security is a joke.  They check your bags going in, but never once did they check all my compartments and NEVER checked the rain fly compartment. Also I'm pretty sure their Metal Detectors are just for show.  I always wore my ARES Aegis Enhanced Belt, and never took change or other metal out of my pockets.  I just put my cell phone and wallet in the tray and walked through each time with 0 problems.  Once the lines get too long, they just opened up the center and let everyone just walk through with no checks until the line got smaller. 

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"Dont' believe everything you read on the Internet."  - Abraham Lincoln

ianq posted:
avn mech posted:

Pls post an AAR. 

Just a little update - AAR...

 


 

 

On a side note - Disney's security is a joke.  They check your bags going in, but never once did they check all my compartments and NEVER checked the rain fly compartment. Also I'm pretty sure their Metal Detectors are just for show.  I always wore my ARES Aegis Enhanced Belt, and never took change or other metal out of my pockets.  I just put my cell phone and wallet in the tray and walked through each time with 0 problems.  Once the lines get too long, they just opened up the center and let everyone just walk through with no checks until the line got smaller. 

I am fairly certain anyone could take a G43 or similar, stick it in some sort of holster/scabbard, drop it in said tray, and retrieve it on the other side of the detector.  They get numb to the crowds, and just need to push them through in the morning.

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