Pat Rogers Memorial Revolver Round Up 2017

I'm posting an After Action Report.  It was great!

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Mark

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Seriously though, it was REALLY great!

First, the good and the bad all in one.  The class was small, because a lot of you didn't come.  But that meant we ran one relay for most everything, which meant more shooting and more training than was possible with a larger class.  so getting to the meat.

Instructors were Darryl Bolke, Wayne Dobbs, and guest instructor, Mark Fricke.  The training included gun selection and why, grips and why, holsters and why, speed loaders and speed strips, and why, holsters and why.   If you're noticing a theme, you are correct.  For every recommendation and option, it was accompanied by the reasoning, not "do as I do because I said so". 

We started with proper trigger manipulation of a DA revolver, which is not the same as a DA semiauto or a SA trigger.  We did drills at ranges from 3 yds to 25 yds, then qualification shooting with time constraints such as 2 shots from the holster in 1.5 seconds.  Guns ranged from 2" Airweight J-frames to a 5" 8-shot 627 N-frame.   The afternoon was mostly snubby revolvers and I came away with a new appreciation for steel vs. alloy frames, proper grip selection, reloading, etc.  Day two was building on what was taught and practiced day one.

At day's end on Sunday, my feet hurt, my back hurt, my fingers hurt, skin was abraded from reaching into pockets for ammo and it was one of the best weekends I've had in years.  A painful day shooting is better than any comfortable day watching TV in the recliner.  For those of you who don't think the revolver has a place in your arsenal, you're wrong.  If you don't think they are suitable for concealed carry, you're wrong.  If you don't think the snubby has some significant advantages over a semiauto, you're wrong.  But you won't realize that until you take a class with someone who knows the wheel gun.  If this class comes around again next year, I'll be there.  And if you're smart and the budget can be whipped until if works, you should be too.

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Mark

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Joined:  2/24/2003                          Location:  Nevada, USA

Dorsai posted:

Seriously though, it was REALLY great!

First, the good and the bad all in one.  The class was small, because a lot of you didn't come.  But that meant we ran one relay for most everything, which meant more shooting and more training than was possible with a larger class.  so getting to the meat.

Instructors were Darryl Bolke, Wayne Dobbs, and guest instructor, Mark Fricke.  The training included gun selection and why, grips and why, holsters and why, speed loaders and speed strips, and why, holsters and why.   If you're noticing a theme, you are correct.  For every recommendation and option, it was accompanied by the reasoning, not "do as I do because I said so". 

We started with proper trigger manipulation of a DA revolver, which is not the same as a DA semiauto or a SA trigger.  We did drills at ranges from 3 yds to 25 yds, then qualification shooting with time constraints such as 2 shots from the holster in 1.5 seconds.  Guns ranged from 2" Airweight J-frames to a 5" 8-shot 627 N-frame.   The afternoon was mostly snubby revolvers and I came away with a new appreciation for steel vs. alloy frames, proper grip selection, reloading, etc.  Day two was building on what was taught and practiced day one.

At day's end on Sunday, my feet hurt, my back hurt, my fingers hurt, skin was abraded from reaching into pockets for ammo and it was one of the best weekends I've had in years.  A painful day shooting is better than any comfortable day watching TV in the recliner.  For those of you who don't think the revolver has a place in your arsenal, you're wrong.  If you don't think they are suitable for concealed carry, you're wrong.  If you don't think the snubby has some significant advantages over a semiauto, you're wrong.  But you won't realize that until you take a class with someone who knows the wheel gun.  If this class comes around again next year, I'll be there.  And if you're smart and the budget can be whipped until if works, you should be too.

Thanks, Mark. Having just recently joined the revolver fraternity, I may seriously have to consider doing this. 

Mojo/Mark
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Joined: 9/30/09
Location: Northern Nevada (Reno/Sparks)

This just came up on my feed.

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Mark

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Joined:  2/24/2003                          Location:  Nevada, USA

Nice video Mark. Thanks for posting. I just shot a 1917 a couple weeks ago. A little eye opening for me as I haven’t shot anything .45ACP  for about the past 5 or 6 years. 

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Joined: 9/30/09
Location: Northern Nevada (Reno/Sparks)

Talk about coincidences....

I was in a gun shop today picking up a new pistol, and they had a Clint Smith Model 21 in 44 Special that I nearly snagged.  I ended up grabbing a used 638 and a nice old 870 Wingmaster as project guns for the nephews instead. 

I'd love to have another of those M1917's.

Mark, Thanks for posting the AAR. Couple questions if you got time. 1. What gear (holster,ammo carriers etc.) did you finally bring.  2. Follow up on 1 would you change anything? Thanks Robbie

Joined  4/5/03  Location Maine

Thanks for the AAR, Mark. I don't own any revolvers.  Though, my uncle has commented he was going to will his 6" 686 to me.  (Honestly, I'd prefer 4",  I think.) I know nothing of how to run them. I'll have to come to something like this when it happens again in the future just to learn everything I can.

Joined: 30 May 2003                  Location: SE PA

So......based on the low turnout this year and feedback from folks, next year is going to be two full days of snub work.  It is the area most are interested in and we see most folks who want to shoot the bigger guns have already been to the class.  We try to explain to folks that the way to learn the little gun is to learn the big gun.  

With all that said, the goal will be to try to get Mark Fricke back out and I am going to try to talk Chuck Haggard back into coming for the weekend.  Most folks will figure out a steel training gun for their airweight carry gun is a great idea.  

As Mark noted above, if you think there is no place for a snub revolver.....most serious folks who actually live an always armed lifestyle will beg to differ with that.

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Mark, Thanks for posting the AAR. Couple questions if you got time. 1. What gear (holster,ammo carriers etc.) did you finally bring.  2. Follow up on 1 would you change anything? Thanks Robbie

Lots.  First of all, my gear dated from the 1980's.  I thought I had a strong side holster for the L-frame, but I didn't (I thought the cross-draw was actually both and didn't notice my error until the week before), so I ordered a DeSantis in the last week.  Nice holster, but the FBI cant should stay in the 80's.  I'm getting a Safariland that will allow me to draw without breaking my wrist.  That slowed me down in every way and made it tough to get my grip.  I was also getting some serious abrasion on my middle finger from the edge of the holster.

I started out with HKS speedloaders and I'll stay with them.  No problems with them at all.  Ok, maybe one issue.  I had zero malfunctions, but doctrine is that you don't handle the speedloader by the release knob, you grasp the body of the speedloader.  The reality is that I haven't found a pouch that retains the speedloaders without covering the body and exposing only the knob.  That said, I've never accidentally rotated the knob and dropped my ammo.  I'm sure it will happen someday.  On the other hand, I observed multiple malfunctions of the Safariland style.  I gave my son the Bianchi two speedloader pouch that I've had for 30 years.  I'm getting some new gear from Safariland so I'll replace it then.

Gear conclusion.  I'm getting the Safariland 568 holster.  With the QLS system, it becomes a zero cant holster.  A 3-speedloader pouch.  More Bianchi speed strips.  After 30 years, some of my old ones are starting to split.  More J-frames, to include an all steel gun for practice.  I did ok at the class.  My times were good, but can get better.  A new holster will help with that!  My accuracy was also good.  I can get better with both.  I'll be back next year and we'll see if I've improved.

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Mark

Swear allegiance to the flag Whatever flag they offer

Never hint at what you really feel

Teach the children quietly For some day sons and daughters

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Joined:  2/24/2003                          Location:  Nevada, USA

Hi Mike!  I enjoyed meeting you as well.  Just a warning though, I am terrible at remembering names, so don't be offended if I have to ask next year.  I'll remember the face, but not the name that goes with it.  Louisiana, right?  Harley?

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Mark

Swear allegiance to the flag Whatever flag they offer

Never hint at what you really feel

Teach the children quietly For some day sons and daughters

Will rise up and fight while we stood still

 

Joined:  2/24/2003                          Location:  Nevada, USA

"Most folks will figure out a steel training gun for their air-weight carry gun is a great idea. " -- I'm acquainted with a couple of guys who came to the same conclusion (guys I met at IDPA matches, actually)

I carried a 3 inch S&W 36 or S&W 60 as an off duty gun for years. Pat Rogers teased me about that at the one class I took with him -- "Um, kid, you DO realize they invented that gun for police WOMEN don't you?"

"More Bianchi speed strips.  After 30 years, some of my old ones are starting to split" -- I found that Speed Strips lasted me right about 25 years and then they all cracked and turned to dust . . .

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Dorsai posted:

Hi Mike!  I enjoyed meeting you as well.  Just a warning though, I am terrible at remembering names, so don't be offended if I have to ask next year.  I'll remember the face, but not the name that goes with it.  Louisiana, right?  Harley?

 

Yes Mark,Harley and jframe guy. Learning occurred for me too.

CYA Mike...AKA Retro

 

 

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I also enjoyed the class and meeting folks in meat space.  For the J frame portion of the class, my equipment included a S&W 640 Pro w/Spegel grips and a FIST OWB holster, and a 642 Pro w/Spegels in an Aholster pocket holster.  I also brought a Colt Detective Special with a shroud and Spegel grips (can you see a trend?), but think I only shot 6 rounds out of it.  Holster for the Colt was an old school Lewis cross draw.

For the K frame portions, I brought two guns, the first being a 3" Model 10 RB with John Hurst grips.  Gun used to be my detective duty gun and was converted to DAO and the trigger had the serrations ground off.  Holster was a Hoyt plainclothes break front.  My other K frame was a S&W Model 15-3 2" with Spegel grips.  This one was completely stock except for the grips.  Hadn't fired a single DA round out of it before the class.  Holster was a floral carved, lined Lawrence open top.

I did most of my loading out of a Kramer 3x3 pouch or my pocket, but had Safariland and HKS speed loaders as well as some Tuff strips.  Found I preferred the Kramer 3x3 pouch to my old Desantis 2x2x2 pouches.  This class was the first time I had tried the 3x3.

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