Please recommend a pack...

I'm a pack whore.  I've used and destroyed most commercial and name brand packs.

My pack quest has ended with Kifaru.  I currently used their Xing for a 3-day, and have an EMR II for winter backpacking  and 7+ day trips. 

For riding motorcycle I would look really hard at the suspension system and being able to snug the pack up against the body... you should have no problem doing this with a Kifaru EDC pack with their Omega suspension.  

domestique posted:

I'm a pack whore.  I've used and destroyed most commercial and name brand packs.

My pack quest has ended with Kifaru.  I currently used their Xing for a 3-day, and have an EMR II for winter backpacking  and 7+ day trips. 

For riding motorcycle I would look really hard at the suspension system and being able to snug the pack up against the body... you should have no problem doing this with a Kifaru EDC pack with their Omega suspension.  

Yea i looked at the x-ray long and hard but I can not justify $400+ for a god damned backpack. There is nothing they have that justifies double or more the price of companies like tactical tailor, ats, eagle, pig, spec-ops,  etc. Its gucci gear just like TAD. Im not saying it isnt good gear, Im just saying its overhyped and overpriced.

I hear you.  That's why I've bought most of my Kifaru gear off of Kifaru's EE or fleabay.  They also run 20-40% off sales during the holidays and when discontinuing an item.   

Natchesz has an Eagle Molle pack for sale (30 dollars)..... but I believe it is their DO version (made in the Dominican Republic).

 

domestique posted:

I hear you.  That's why I've bought most of my Kifaru gear off of Kifaru's EE or fleabay.  They also run 20-40% off sales during the holidays and when discontinuing an item.   

Natchesz has an Eagle Molle pack for sale (30 dollars)..... but I believe it is their DO version (made in the Dominican Republic).

 

Wow thats a really good price. I may buy that just because of the deal, not to fill the current need. thanks.

blackhatch46 posted
Yea i looked at the x-ray long and hard but I can not justify $400+ for a god damned backpack. There is nothing they have that justifies double or more the price of companies like tactical tailor, ats, eagle, pig, spec-ops,  etc. Its gucci gear just like TAD. Im not saying it isnt good gear, Im just saying its overhyped and overpriced.

What experience do you have with Kifaru to form that opinion?

I get that Kifaru is a expensive, but in this case you get what you pay for.

Kifaru's shoulder straps are the best you're going to find.  They are thin and flexible, yet carry a heavy load very well.  I carried an XRay as an EDC/Camping/Motorcycle bag for years.  I sold it during lean times and eventually replaced it with a MR Sweet Pea.  The XRay was superior bag IMO and well worth the price of admission.  My Zulu has also been through nearly a decade of abuse and it looks new.  No hype, just solid gear.

If it's not in your price range, that's cool.  For what you're describing though, I don't think you could beat an XRay.  

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Barchack posted:
blackhatch46 posted
Yea i looked at the x-ray long and hard but I can not justify $400+ for a god damned backpack. There is nothing they have that justifies double or more the price of companies like tactical tailor, ats, eagle, pig, spec-ops,  etc. Its gucci gear just like TAD. Im not saying it isnt good gear, Im just saying its overhyped and overpriced.

What experience do you have with Kifaru to form that opinion?

I get that Kifaru is a expensive, but in this case you get what you pay for.

Kifaru's shoulder straps are the best you're going to find.  They are thin and flexible, yet carry a heavy load very well.  I carried an XRay as an EDC/Camping/Motorcycle bag for years.  I sold it during lean times and eventually replaced it with a MR Sweet Pea.  The XRay was superior bag IMO and well worth the price of admission.  My Zulu has also been through nearly a decade of abuse and it looks new.  No hype, just solid gear.

If it's not in your price range, that's cool.  For what you're describing though, I don't think you could beat an XRay.  

I have handled friends kifarus in the past.  they are great and the xray is probably perfect for me but i cant justify 400+ when i have packs from companies like specops and tt around $200 with over ten years of use and multiple deployments. Not even a stitch has bugded.

blackhatch46 posted:
Barchack posted:
blackhatch46 posted
Yea i looked at the x-ray long and hard but I can not justify $400+ for a god damned backpack. There is nothing they have that justifies double or more the price of companies like tactical tailor, ats, eagle, pig, spec-ops,  etc. Its gucci gear just like TAD. Im not saying it isnt good gear, Im just saying its overhyped and overpriced.

What experience do you have with Kifaru to form that opinion?

I get that Kifaru is a expensive, but in this case you get what you pay for.

Kifaru's shoulder straps are the best you're going to find.  They are thin and flexible, yet carry a heavy load very well.  I carried an XRay as an EDC/Camping/Motorcycle bag for years.  I sold it during lean times and eventually replaced it with a MR Sweet Pea.  The XRay was superior bag IMO and well worth the price of admission.  My Zulu has also been through nearly a decade of abuse and it looks new.  No hype, just solid gear.

If it's not in your price range, that's cool.  For what you're describing though, I don't think you could beat an XRay.  

I have handled friends kifarus in the past.  they are great and the xray is probably perfect for me but i cant justify 400+ when i have packs from companies like specops and tt around $200 with over ten years of use and multiple deployments. Not even a stitch has bugded.

You won't "get it" after just looking and touching your friends Kifaru's. It's the comfort under load. It's the modularity. It's the thought behind the product. The fine attention to detail.

The new-ish Kifaru antero is better than the xray in my opinion. It has replaced my xray for EDC. It's much more streamlined and simple with built in pockets. It's also cheaper ($300 w/out belt) than the xray which should help you out.

 

That looks great but its not enough cu in. The xray is the pack id choose. Im just not paying that much for a pack. If i could find it used for less, sure. And yes i wore a kifaru with a load and honestly the mystery ranch packs ive worn are a bit more comfortable. Im sure its still amazing once youve had it a while.

blackhatch46 posted:
 
 

Yea im starting to think its my best option. I know this is an ATS forum so its biased, but thats also why i joined here. Thanks.

This is probably one of the most objective site on the web. You do not see to many shill reviews of anything that ATS makes here. And when something has needed changed, the comment have come from here.

I don't like the ATS RAID. The shoulder straps do not curve right for my build. I sold the one I had quickly.

The COBRA pack straps on the other hand fits my shoulder shape very well and is better size for my needs in any case. As it happens, I sold it as well and have 4 different Eagle AIII packs filling different roles for me now.

If you get an AIII, look hard for the USA made one. The differences in construction are subtle, and there is clearly more attention to detail in the USA made version. I can't tell you if the difference is worth $200. For me it is worth it in the EDC packs and not for the safe house packs. 

 

Hill People Gear's "Connor" in pack mode looks to be an option.  Don't have hands-on with one yet, but (a) the Hill brothers are good people to deal with; (c) they're members here; and (c) I do have first-hand experience with a bunch of their other products, and they've been 100% good to go.  

I've been using a HPG Umlindi (which, while larger, may be an option for you as well) as my primary pack for hiking/backpacking/effing around outside for a year or so, and it's taken everything I've thrown at it -- even when hilariously overloaded, dragged over rocks, etc.   Here's a write up from a guy who spec'ed one of those for a use not unlike yours.  Definitely a little spendy, but you get way more than you pay for.

EDIT: Went back over your requirements and realized that HPG doesn't have anything currently available in your particular shade of brown.  They've been known to do special runs if that's the only dealbreaker.

Longeye posted:
blackhatch46 posted:
 
 

Yea im starting to think its my best option. I know this is an ATS forum so its biased, but thats also why i joined here. Thanks.

This is probably one of the most objective site on the web. You do not see to many shill reviews of anything that ATS makes here. And when something has needed changed, the comment have come from here.

I don't like the ATS RAID. The shoulder straps do not curve right for my build. I sold the one I had quickly.

The COBRA pack straps on the other hand fits my shoulder shape very well and is better size for my needs in any case. As it happens, I sold it as well and have 4 different Eagle AIII packs filling different roles for me now.

If you get an AIII, look hard for the USA made one. The differences in construction are subtle, and there is clearly more attention to detail in the USA made version. I can't tell you if the difference is worth $200. For me it is worth it in the EDC packs and not for the safe house packs. 

 

Cool thanks. Ill look into those but if i recall they are a little bigger than i want.

Matlock posted:

Hill People Gear's "Connor" in pack mode looks to be an option.  Don't have hands-on with one yet, but (a) the Hill brothers are good people to deal with; (c) they're members here; and (c) I do have first-hand experience with a bunch of their other products, and they've been 100% good to go.  

I've been using a HPG Umlindi (which, while larger, may be an option for you as well) as my primary pack for hiking/backpacking/effing around outside for a year or so, and it's taken everything I've thrown at it -- even when hilariously overloaded, dragged over rocks, etc.   Here's a write up from a guy who spec'ed one of those for a use not unlike yours.  Definitely a little spendy, but you get way more than you pay for.

EDIT: Went back over your requirements and realized that HPG doesn't have anything currently available in your particular shade of brown.  They've been known to do special runs if that's the only dealbreaker.

That looks great except that its only 900 cu in. Im having issues with my current pig pack at 1500.

Another option...SKD PIG 40 Hour Pack...never have used it, though, and don't anyone that has. Did nor even know of its existence until about 30min when I stumbled upon it.

I've humped a Gen 1 Kifaru ZXR all around the French Alps,  as well as in Derka-derka-stan...and while it was expensive...I bought it 9 years ago and it's still going strong. Granted, that's a far larger pack then you're looking for...but you can find used Gen 1 and even Gen 2 Marauders, MOLLEX, Express, etc. assault/3-day packs for a good price...definitely well under $400 USD.

Or find a used Mystery Ranch 3DAP...that's a pretty good choice as well. Big fan of the Futura Yoke...rocked a Camelbak TriZip in Derka-derka-stan as well, and currently running around mountains with a Snapdragon. 


 

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The pig 40 hr pack is the one im currently running. Great pack minus two issues. Only 1500 cuin. I need around 1800. It rides super high. So much so that if not on a pc its uncomfortable. I feel like dora the fucking explorer with it on. I have the trizip as well but its my dedicated hunting pack and i dont want to run a non us made pack as edc. I looked at the mr 3dp too but its a little too big for my usage. I want as small as possible that can still complete my tasks. Around 1800 is max.

Sorry dude, missed that bit earlier...reading comprehensiveness FAIL on my part.

Good luck with your search.

Finding the perfect pack is like finding the Holy Grail...as soon as you find "THE ONE", another one (or two, or three) comes out with features/sizes/colors/something that makes you go "hmmmm"...

How about the MR ASAP but add pouches to make up for the internal volume?


 

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cashonlycow posted:

Sorry dude, missed that bit earlier...reading comprehensiveness FAIL on my part.

Good luck with your search.

Finding the perfect pack is like finding the Holy Grail...as soon as you find "THE ONE", another one (or two, or three) comes out with features/sizes/colors/something that makes you go "hmmmm"...

How about the MR ASAP but add pouches to make up for the internal volume?

Yea i need to keep the outside as low profile as possible for stowage in the bird.

http://shop.sandpiperca.com/in...te-coyote-brown.html

1950 cu in, coyote brown, 2.25 lbs empty (ripstop nylon), hydration compatible, $73

Same brand as sold worldwide in various PXs. Can't speak to durability/sewing reviews for this specific one, but I own a long abused larger model that's hauled around computers, books, and carry-on airline loads for years.  No complaints.

It would appear to meet your specifications, except for US Made. No hip/waist belt. I probably wouldn't fast rope onto an objective with one, but it might work just fine for your daily motorcycle commuting.  And it won't break the bank. It's really going to depend on the weight you need to carry. I examined one and while it's not a $400 pack, the stitching and materials seemed adequate  for general use. Think Kelty quality. Enough so that I'm still thinking about getting one for use as a get-home-bag for automobile storage. This despite having no need for yet another pack. Very light weight.  Made overseas, but still nicely done for the price.

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Astronomy posted:

http://shop.sandpiperca.com/in...te-coyote-brown.html

1950 cu in, coyote brown, 2.25 lbs empty (ripstop nylon), hydration compatible, $73

Same brand as sold worldwide in various PXs. Can't speak to durability/sewing reviews for this specific one, but I own a long abused larger model that's hauled around computers, books, and carry-on airline loads for years.  No complaints.

It would appear to meet your specifications, except for US Made. No hip/waist belt. I probably wouldn't fast rope onto an objective with one, but it might work just fine for your daily motorcycle commuting.  And it won't break the bank. It's really going to depend on the weight you need to carry. I examined one and while it's not a $400 pack, the stitching and materials seemed adequate  for general use. Think Kelty quality. Enough so that I'm still thinking about getting one for use as a get-home-bag for automobile storage. This despite having no need for yet another pack. Very light weight.  Made overseas, but still nicely done for the price.

Looks good but i cant have a non us made pack. It hurts me inside.

I get that you want a pack that meets "x" criteria, but there's no point in throwing the baby out with the bath water if that's the only thing wrong with it.

"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful."

PlasticMag posted:

I get that you want a pack that meets "x" criteria, but there's no point in throwing the baby out with the bath water if that's the only thing wrong with it.

Thats exactly why i posted the question here instead of just doing my own research. I have very specific requirments i want met.

The company offers a mix of USA Made (Berry Compliant) and imported gear. They can make things at their US plant. Call 'em up and ask 'em... as they mention on their website.

The gear also has a lifetime warranty, which I saw recently implemented for someone on another forum.   He had a strap clip (that attached to a sewn d-ring) fail after a decade of use.  The spring clip failed. He called them; they had the part he needed shipped out the next day. 

The Made In the USA train left the global manufacturing station back in the 90's, along with most US manufacturing. Just the way it is. I appreciate the sentiment, but that doesn't stop me from buying HK pistols, Toyota vehicles, or casual clothing from India.  At a certain point, my pragmatism eclipses my politics.

Firms like ATS offer quality gear, but perhaps just not in the exact format you are seeking.  You may have to compromise another criteria point (size, features, color, etc.) in order to find something that meets your patriotic principles. Or be willing to shell out $400 to somebody like Kifaru...

Good luck with the on-going search.

 

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Astronomy posted:

The company offers a mix of USA Made (Berry Compliant) and imported gear. They can make things at their US plant. Call 'em up and ask 'em... as they mention on their website.

The gear also has a lifetime warranty, which I saw recently implemented for someone on another forum.   He had a strap clip (that attached to a sewn d-ring) fail after a decade of use.  The spring clip failed. He called them; they had the part he needed shipped out the next day. 

The Made In the USA train left the global manufacturing station back in the 90's, along with most US manufacturing. Just the way it is. I appreciate the sentiment, but that doesn't stop me from buying HK pistols, Toyota vehicles, or casual clothing from India.  At a certain point, my pragmatism eclipses my politics.

Firms like ATS offer quality gear, but perhaps just not in the exact format you are seeking.  You may have to compromise on something else (size, features, color, etc.) in order to find something that answers your patriotic principles. Or be willing to shell out $400 to somebody like Kifaru...

Good luck with the on-going search.

 

Us made is the choice becuase it is the best in nylon gear. This doesnt apply to other items such as cars, pistols etc. I want us made packs becuase they are the best, not because im being patriotic. Same reason i have a japanese truck. They are he best in my opinion. And an austrian pistol. And a bulgarian ak. All my preference.

I can absolutely guarantee that US Made tactical nylon does not automatically or unequivocally equate to "best". It might be. It often is the best. But sometimes it isn't. That depends entirely upon the producer's dedication to quality... and their ability to maintain a profit margin. No different than anything else.  It's about materials, design, and stitching, not point of origination. Hell, the computer chips that get you on this forum were almost certainly made overseas.

The pack I suggested is far from war-quality life support combat gear. It's just generic stuff. But let's be honest... you likely don't need it for that. You bought that Japanese truck because it was the best truck for your money and needs.  Even if  you helped put American UAW folks out of work. 

But you'll agonize over a pack that costs less than a set of factory truck floor mats?

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Actually my truck was made in the us. Most nissans and toyotas are. Also, 99% of us nylon IS the best. I actually cant think of a brand with a bad reputation for quality. I just leave 1% to be more realistic. And yes i do need a bombproof pack because im tired of buying them over and over again. I want one to be done with this situation. Kifaru and tad are like when .22 prices shot up. They only stay that expensive because people keep buying. They have no reason to lower prices.

I'm reminded of the Golden Rule of sleeping bag shopping:  Light, Warm, or Inexpensive. Pick Two.

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Astronomy posted:

I'm reminded of the Golden Rule of sleeping bag shopping:  Light, Warm, or Inexpensive. Pick Two.

True. I would like the kifaru but its not in my budget. The $200 packs are even pushing it. I know i wont find exactly what i want. I think i can comprimise for the ats raid 2. It seems to be the best for the money and my situation. Also it seems the most adaptable and is readily available. Thanks for the help.

blackhatch46 posted:
senorlechero posted:

Mystery Ranch has a new pack you might want to look at, 

http://www.mysteryranch.com/urban-assault-pack

Unfortunately a little small and imported. Thanks though.

If it's made by Mystery Ranch, you can bet it's quality, regardless of point of origin. It's like a Ford Focus RS. American company, foreign manufacture. And just like cars, the parts are made in one location, the assembly somewhere else, and the company that stakes their reputation on it is in a possible 3rd location. 

I think you are over thinking this and unwilling to compromise on specs, but have set your budget too low.

 

 

A co-workers cousin started this company... I can't vouch for the quality as I have never put one through it's paces.  

 

It may satisfy what you are looking for.  

http://piltdownoutdoor.com/col...he-rushmore-backpack

 

Another option: through this question over at the EDC forum.  Those guys are some serious gear junkies.  

http://edcforums[dot]com/forum/

Honestly, I would expand your search to UK companies as well.  They have really evolved over the last decade and a lot of stuff coming out of the UK is top notch... and I dare say eclipsed a lot of companies that have stagnated.... ::cough cough Eagle Industries cough cough::

domestique posted:

A co-workers cousin started this company... I can't vouch for the quality as I have never put one through it's paces.  

 

It may satisfy what you are looking for.  

http://piltdownoutdoor.com/col...he-rushmore-backpack

 

Another option: through this question over at the EDC forum.  Those guys are some serious gear junkies.  

http://edcforums[dot]com/forum/

Honestly, I would expand your search to UK companies as well.  They have really evolved over the last decade and a lot of stuff coming out of the UK is top notch... and I dare say eclipsed a lot of companies that have stagnated.... ::cough cough Eagle Industries cough cough::

Cool thanks. Im not ruling out UK goods, like a german car id be fine with it. I just prefer US.

Beren412 posted:
blackhatch46 posted:
senorlechero posted:

Mystery Ranch has a new pack you might want to look at, 

http://www.mysteryranch.com/urban-assault-pack

Unfortunately a little small and imported. Thanks though.

If it's made by Mystery Ranch, you can bet it's quality, regardless of point of origin. It's like a Ford Focus RS. American company, foreign manufacture. And just like cars, the parts are made in one location, the assembly somewhere else, and the company that stakes their reputation on it is in a possible 3rd location. 

I think you are over thinking this and unwilling to compromise on specs, but have set your budget too low.

 

 

Again, this is why I brought the question to the forum. It is a very specific focus I'm setting here. Otherwise, I would have just bought the first thing that caught my eye.

I've been on a similar quest for the perfect pack for my needs.  I've bought and sold a bunch of packs looking for the right one.  Right now I've been eyeing up the Mystery Ranch 3DAP and the Mayflower 30L Summit (waiting for a review to pop up on this one).  

I have a GGG 3 Day Pack at home in Coyote. If you don't mind waiting until this weekend (currently TDY at Fort Knox for the week) I'd be willing to load it up with whatever you need and I can post some photos.  I think it's a great pack overall but there are a few features I wish it had for my use.  Honestly if it wasn't my lucky pack (I always find antler sheds when I'm wearing it scouting) I'd consider selling it to you. 

Off the top of my head I'd compare the GGG pack in size to the old style Camelbak MotherLode that I have that's about 10 years old.

jmazz posted:

I've been on a similar quest for the perfect pack for my needs.  I've bought and sold a bunch of packs looking for the right one.  Right now I've been eyeing up the Mystery Ranch 3DAP and the Mayflower 30L Summit (waiting for a review to pop up on this one).  

I have a GGG 3 Day Pack at home in Coyote. If you don't mind waiting until this weekend (currently TDY at Fort Knox for the week) I'd be willing to load it up with whatever you need and I can post some photos.  I think it's a great pack overall but there are a few features I wish it had for my use.  Honestly if it wasn't my lucky pack (I always find antler sheds when I'm wearing it scouting) I'd consider selling it to you. 

Off the top of my head I'd compare the GGG pack in size to the old style Camelbak MotherLode that I have that's about 10 years old.

Wow that would be awesome. Im having a feeling its a bit large but that would surely help out. What did you do about no frame sheet?

blackhatch46 posted:

You cant calculated lxwxh and get volume on an irregularly shaped object like a pack. It would give a ballpark estimate tnough. I think my choices have narrowed down to ats raid 2 and ggg 3 day pack. Just not sure on volumes. Remember i want as little outside bulk as possible. No pouches if i can help it.

Where exactly are you stashing this pack when you're on the bird?

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