Please recommend a pack...

jcustisredux posted:
blackhatch46 posted:

You cant calculated lxwxh and get volume on an irregularly shaped object like a pack. It would give a ballpark estimate tnough. I think my choices have narrowed down to ats raid 2 and ggg 3 day pack. Just not sure on volumes. Remember i want as little outside bulk as possible. No pouches if i can help it.

Where exactly are you stashing this pack when you're on the bird?

I have a caribiner through the carry handle and i hook it on a tie down about eye level against the bulkhead near the ramp.

jcustisredux posted:

Besides the volume, is there any reason why you have not tried the FILBE assault pack?   Or did you try and find it irrelevant?

Yea its the issued pack. I do t use it for a few reasons. Mostly because i dont want to replace it when i destroy it or turn it black. Helo maintenance is extremely dirty. The issuing facility is very anal a out returning gear with any dirt on it. I have a tan specops pack about ten years old that is almost black. Size matters too. Its made for ammo, mres, a radio and water. I need a bit more space.

Oh I hear you about CAMPEN CIF.

If you need a bit more space, that makes me come back to my original comment about a RAID with a claymore pocket on the front.

Minimal profile for the motorcycle.  Capable of taking a beating while clipped into a horizontal spar on an MAT-V across a few hundred miles, at high speed.

 There is no way to defy physics.  If you need more carry volume, it is always going to result in a bigger pack.

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jcustisredux posted:

Oh I hear you about CAMPEN CIF.

If you need a bit more space, that makes me come back to my original comment about a RAID with a claymore pocket on the front.

Minimal profile for the motorcycle.  Capable of taking a beating while clipped into a horizontal spar on an MAT-V across a few hundred miles, at high speed.

 There is no way to defy physics.  If you need more carry volume, it is always going to result in a bigger pack.

Yea im really thinking the raid2 is the one. I just cant get over its listed cu in of 1500. Im 99 percent sure its more than 1500 cu in. Looks about 1800 based on every picture ive seen it in, which would be ideal. Can anyone shed some light on this?

jcustisredux posted:

The manufacturer lists the volume at 1512.  What's the concern?  Do you think ATS has its measurements wrong?

That or other manufacturer's measurements are. Example Kifaru gives you an equation to better estimate cubic inches since packs arent a perfect rectangle. Also the PIG 40 hour pack I have is rated at 1500 and based on pics ive seen, its a good bit smaller than the raid.

Fignewt345 posted:

A couple people mentioned the Mystery Ranch 3-Day Assault, and you claimed you have used a Camelback Tri-Zip with some success.

Any reason you would be against the 3DAP? Bit too large at 2000 ci?

Yea exactly. You wouldnt think 200 cu in makes a difference but it does when its on the large side of my search. I have had many packs and 1600-1800 is the range  I need. Again, aircraft and motorcycle carry are a huge deal.

jcustisredux posted:
blackhatch46 posted:

You cant calculated lxwxh and get volume on an irregularly shaped object like a pack. It would give a ballpark estimate tnough. I think my choices have narrowed down to ats raid 2 and ggg 3 day pack. Just not sure on volumes. Remember i want as little outside bulk as possible. No pouches if i can help it.

Where exactly are you stashing this pack when you're on the bird?

PIG in AC

 

 

While I understand your desire to stay with made in the USA - and I respect that-  in order to do that you will probably end up in the $300-$450 range. There are some Maxpedition packs that fit your price point and size needs,  and are damn near bomb-proof, but unfortunately they are made in Taiwan.  

The sleeping bag analogy used earlier is pretty appropriate here unfortunately. 

You might want to start looking on the used market. 

A little insight about the RAID packs as far as sizing goes- on the Original RAID (I have a MJK and a 3 color Desert) there are two zippered-mesh pockets that are attached to the lid/flap and they to protrude a bit into the main pocket area quite a bit, that might be why the pack appears to be so large physically, but has such a "small" main compartment size rating. 

I can tell you that my 3 color RAID has been to Afghanistan several times and spent more time outside the wire with me than any other pack. I attached a claymore pouch to it, 3 mag pouches, and two small side pouches and was never hurting for space.  Even for 3-4 week long missions. 

I also had an issue with the way the shoulder straps fit/rode, but I grabbed a tube of Shoe Goo and layed a good layer on the straps and never had another issue with them slipping or not staying where I wanted them to.

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David Reeves posted:

While I understand your desire to stay with made in the USA - and I respect that-  in order to do that you will probably end up in the $300-$450 range. There are some Maxpedition packs that fit your price point and size needs,  and are damn near bomb-proof, but unfortunately they are made in Taiwan.  

The sleeping bag analogy used earlier is pretty appropriate here unfortunately. 

You might want to start looking on the used market. 

A little insight about the RAID packs as far as sizing goes- on the Original RAID (I have a MJK and a 3 color Desert) there are two zippered-mesh pockets that are attached to the lid/flap and they to protrude a bit into the main pocket area quite a bit, that might be why the pack appears to be so large physically, but has such a "small" main compartment size rating. 

I can tell you that my 3 color RAID has been to Afghanistan several times and spent more time outside the wire with me than any other pack. I attached a claymore pouch to it, 3 mag pouches, and two small side pouches and was never hurting for space.  Even for 3-4 week long missions. 

I also had an issue with the way the shoulder straps fit/rode, but I grabbed a tube of Shoe Goo and layed a good layer on the straps and never had another issue with them slipping or not staying where I wanted them to.

I have had maxpedition. Too many pockets and NOT 'bombproof' as a lot of people may say. I have had two of their packs rip at the carrying handle. Look at the above pic and thats not even half of the abuse my packs get. I looked at measurements, and the raid 2 is indeed 3 inches longer and an inch wider than my PIG pack. That may just be ideal.

The Maxpedition packs that I own have held up pretty well for me. Maybe I've just had better luck with them than you have.

Good luck in your search.

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I used a RAID II in Afg as a dismounted Infantryman. I added 2 kifaru long pockets to the sides, an ATS large ute and an eagle horizontal zip ute to the front. Was enough ruck for 48-72hr patrols, even in the winter rainy season throughout the tour, other than if i was carrying a 522 radio. Then the radio took up the majority of the internal space and i had to move up to my big ruck. I also added compression straps to the bottom to strap a ranger blanket/small sleeping bag and bivvy to the bottom.

The RAID is an excellent choice.  My brother has a Kifaru Marauder, another similar design but a bit bigger. Another excellent pack, but discontinued. A used one would be a great investment. 

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FourNinerZero posted:

I used a RAID II in Afg as a dismounted Infantryman. I added 2 kifaru long pockets to the sides, an ATS large ute and an eagle horizontal zip ute to the front. Was enough ruck for 48-72hr patrols, even in the winter rainy season throughout the tour, other than if i was carrying a 522 radio. Then the radio took up the majority of the internal space and i had to move up to my big ruck. I also added compression straps to the bottom to strap a ranger blanket/small sleeping bag and bivvy to the bottom.

The RAID is an excellent choice.  My brother has a Kifaru Marauder, another similar design but a bit bigger. Another excellent pack, but discontinued. A used one would be a great investment. 

Cool sounds good. I think ill be good since I wont be humping a radio. Thanks.

blackhatch46 posted:
jcustisredux posted:

Besides the volume, is there any reason why you have not tried the FILBE assault pack?   Or did you try and find it irrelevant?

Yea its the issued pack. I do t use it for a few reasons. Mostly because i dont want to replace it when i destroy it or turn it black. Helo maintenance is extremely dirty. The issuing facility is very anal a out returning gear with any dirt on it. I have a tan specops pack about ten years old that is almost black. Size matters too. Its made for ammo, mres, a radio and water. I need a bit more space.

Supply will not allow you to return a bag that the tax payers bought so you can effectively do your job if you have in fact been using it to do your job.   Oorah Devil Dog.  

lcpl1066 posted:
blackhatch46 posted:
jcustisredux posted:

Besides the volume, is there any reason why you have not tried the FILBE assault pack?   Or did you try and find it irrelevant?

Yea its the issued pack. I do t use it for a few reasons. Mostly because i dont want to replace it when i destroy it or turn it black. Helo maintenance is extremely dirty. The issuing facility is very anal a out returning gear with any dirt on it. I have a tan specops pack about ten years old that is almost black. Size matters too. Its made for ammo, mres, a radio and water. I need a bit more space.

Supply will not allow you to return a bag that the tax payers bought so you can effectively do your job if you have in fact been using it to do your job.   Oorah Devil Dog.  

True statement. I went through that ass pain with the old goretex. Not doing it again. I had to buy that shit because it was dirty as fuck and they wouldnt even let me keep it. Typical gov't genius.

blackhatch46 posted:
domestique posted:

How about: Propper U.C pack?

 

I couldn't confirm it's Berry compliant though. 

 

 

http://soldiersystems.net/2015/06/22/propper-u-c-pack/

http://m.galls.com/propper-u-c-pack

Damn. Looks pretty good. Ill have to look at it. Thanks.

Unfortunately it is imported. I am 99% that im getting the ats raid. Soon. Thanks for all the help everyone.

The good thing about "too big" packs, is that you don't HAVE to fill it to its volume limit. 

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Beren412 posted:

The good thing about "too big" packs, is that you don't HAVE to fill it to its volume limit. 

True, but in my application there is a certain point where there is too much bulk to be worth having the option of possibly filling the pack. It needs to be streamlined as possible in the bird.

Well, because if this thread I just ordered the Eagle Crossover from Natchez. I'm going to use it for...something. I thought I had achieved pack equilibrium. Thanks again LF. 

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Noticed at the end of the day a guy I work with has a Propper UC in CB. So, took a few minutes to finger fuck it and interrogate him on it. Seems pretty legit. He's former Marine... well, Reserve now, so whatever you call that, and used it for his Marineing a couple years ago, now it's his briefcase and travel bag mostly. 

Seems pretty well made, and the few sort of exposed inside seams are not wearing, or subject to tearing out or anything, so it seems good. I guess a few bits are laser cut, which is cool. Didn't measure, but PALS seems straight, and well enough stitched. Only wear is that it has some extra waterproofing maybe on the zipper which on his is getting all white and maybe cracking off on the top. No storm flap, so you do rely on this.

Top and bottom organizers are small but useful and accessible when it's hanging.  Shoulder straps are a good shape, and thin padded in the current, and good, style.

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JW104 posted:

Well, because if this thread I just ordered the Eagle Crossover from Natchez. I'm going to use it for...something. I thought I had achieved pack equilibrium. Thanks again LF. 

I have been using two of these packs for travel at both my jobs.  

They are both black and work for Garrison and not being hey i'm military in civis.

do not ovefill the inside top pouch.  Mine is pulling a bit, so now I just put cell phone charger there.  

They are good packs and I like the molle for when I add a water bottle pouch or an admin pouch for quick access to items without going into the bag.  

Mine is loaded up with gym stuff (shoes, shorts, shirt) and lunch right now and a lot of times this windows tablet I am typing on.

I'm going to add orange zipper pulls and shock cord to soften the look. I'll probably just use it for carrying gear to and from sports practices.

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"One of the nice things about being around other soldiers is they will suffer your bullshit gladly, knowing sooner or later you will shut up and listen to theirs." - Jim Morris, War Story

 

"The military was strange like that. In the middle of the night you run into a major problem that requires you to put your faith in someone you never met before and probably would never see again. But that person knocks himself out to do his job and helps you get on with yours." - Harold W. Coyle, Team Yankee

JW104 posted:

Well, because if this thread I just ordered the Eagle Crossover from Natchez. I'm going to use it for...something. I thought I had achieved pack equilibrium. Thanks again LF. 

Needs a studboard review.

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Mad respect for Brando and the perseverance in his current fight.

I can do that. I'll change out my Cobra for the Crossover as my work bag. I carry a ton of crap to and from work every day. It isn't field work but a month or two of that should test the durability and utility of a pack. 

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"The military was strange like that. In the middle of the night you run into a major problem that requires you to put your faith in someone you never met before and probably would never see again. But that person knocks himself out to do his job and helps you get on with yours." - Harold W. Coyle, Team Yankee

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