Preferred carry caliber for S&W Shield? Why?

Ultimately it has to work for YOU... with your environment and your monkey mitts. YOU are the one who will be carrying it and (hopefully not) using it under stress.

Each person has a different flavor of what "feels right" to them.

I have a performance center shield in 9mm and love it. However, out of every pistol I have, the one that "feels right" to me (glock 20) just cannot go the same places the shield 9mm will. I have an ultra compact 45(amt backup 45) that felt great in my hand, but is miserable  (trigger, sights, reloading) to shoot. 

Ultimately- it has to work for YOU, not us.

I do like the fact that you solicited info (even though you have experience) before making your choice, and then gave pretty damn good feedback after you made your choice.



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Astronomy posted:

In the "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink" category...

Against all well expressed logic in this thread, I went with the .45 version. Comparing some Shields side-by-side (yet again), I looked at one 9mm with heavy 10# "NY" trigger, one 9mm standard trigger, and one standard  .45 Shield. The .45 just sang to me.

Having never met you, I still get the sense that you've trusted your instincts at least once, or twice, or a few hundred times in your life and it appears to have panned well out for the most part.

Why change now?

Enjoy your pocket freight train...

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Why buy the 9mm if the .45 works? 

Good point.

My answer is that I see a possible pocket carry role for the 9mm. The .45 (holstered) is barely doable for that. I don't see myself pocket carrying a striker fired safety-less handgun without a holster that increases pocket bulk.

I've been accumulating hand guns for 40+ years. Sometimes I just get 'em because I like 'em. For the same reason I own full sized & compact models in various calibers of other guns (1911s, Glocks, USPs, CZs, .357s, etc.). Or buy stuff like Pythons & N-Frames.

In this instance, the .45 version was the clear choice, although the 9mm is still an excellent option.  My preference really wasn't about calibers, just envelope for intended use.

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Astronomy posted:

Why buy the 9mm if the .45 works? 

Good point.

My answer is that I see a possible pocket carry role for the 9mm. The .45 (holstered) is barely doable for that. I don't see myself pocket carrying a striker fired safety-less handgun without a holster that increases pocket bulk.

I've been accumulating hand guns for 40+ years. Sometimes I just get 'em because I like 'em. For the same reason I own full sized & compact models in various calibers of other guns (1911s, Glocks, USPs, CZs, .357s, etc.). Or buy stuff like Pythons & N-Frames.

In this instance, the .45 version was the clear choice, although the 9mm is still an excellent option.  My preference really wasn't about calibers, just envelope for intended use.

I agree 100% on pocket carry issues. I have a raven vanguard 2 that I use for my glock in my Hill People Gear kitpack. Works perfectly in that role. I have found the vanguard is also useful and safe for Ghetto Carry for the occasional times I need that.  It looks like someone has made a trigger guard for the Shield as well.

NO EXPERIENCE with this product but the concept and execution is relatively simple.

https://www (dot) craftholsters.com/kydex-iwb-trigger-guard-holster-p174?model=1130&gclid=Cj0KCQjwh_bLBRDeARIsAH4ZYEOQTuJfPCU43hM5aIV2O9vB1GlhlNM0hcK-xv8Pr37vkjR5R5i6xdgaAqgWEALw_wcB

viking_overlord posted:
Astronomy posted:

Why buy the 9mm if the .45 works? 

Good point.

My answer is that I see a possible pocket carry role for the 9mm. The .45 (holstered) is barely doable for that. I don't see myself pocket carrying a striker fired safety-less handgun without a holster that increases pocket bulk.

I've been accumulating hand guns for 40+ years. Sometimes I just get 'em because I like 'em. For the same reason I own full sized & compact models in various calibers of other guns (1911s, Glocks, USPs, CZs, .357s, etc.). Or buy stuff like Pythons & N-Frames.

In this instance, the .45 version was the clear choice, although the 9mm is still an excellent option.  My preference really wasn't about calibers, just envelope for intended use.

I agree 100% on pocket carry issues. I have a raven vanguard 2 that I use for my glock in my Hill People Gear kitpack. Works perfectly in that role. I have found the vanguard is also useful and safe for Ghetto Carry for the occasional times I need that.  It looks like someone has made a trigger guard for the Shield as well.

NO EXPERIENCE with this product but the concept and execution is relatively simple.

https://www (dot) craftholsters.com/kydex-iwb-trigger-guard-holster-p174?model=1130&gclid=Cj0KCQjwh_bLBRDeARIsAH4ZYEOQTuJfPCU43hM5aIV2O9vB1GlhlNM0hcK-xv8Pr37vkjR5R5i6xdgaAqgWEALw_wcB

This was made by our own Josh of Ronin Concealment.  I front pocket carry my 9mm Shield with this set up when it's my only option.  It works perfectly.

 

 

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Consigliere posted:
 

This was made by our own Josh of Ronin Concealment.  I front pocket carry my 9mm Shield with this set up when it's my only option.  It works perfectly.

 

 

 

But does it come in multicam?

Back to the thread.  So a 9mm would add a capability, the ability to be pocket carried.  Something that in your assessment the .45 lacks.  That makes sense.

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Yeah, the .45 Shield is technically "pocketable", but not quick to retrieve. Just a tad too big for a fast presentation from front pants pocket (in my case). On the other hand, IWB carry is smooth and effortless sailing.

I'm really liking the gun so far.

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Consigliere posted:
viking_overlord posted:
Astronomy posted:

Why buy the 9mm if the .45 works? 

Good point.

My answer is that I see a possible pocket carry role for the 9mm. The .45 (holstered) is barely doable for that. I don't see myself pocket carrying a striker fired safety-less handgun without a holster that increases pocket bulk.

I've been accumulating hand guns for 40+ years. Sometimes I just get 'em because I like 'em. For the same reason I own full sized & compact models in various calibers of other guns (1911s, Glocks, USPs, CZs, .357s, etc.). Or buy stuff like Pythons & N-Frames.

In this instance, the .45 version was the clear choice, although the 9mm is still an excellent option.  My preference really wasn't about calibers, just envelope for intended use.

I agree 100% on pocket carry issues. I have a raven vanguard 2 that I use for my glock in my Hill People Gear kitpack. Works perfectly in that role. I have found the vanguard is also useful and safe for Ghetto Carry for the occasional times I need that.  It looks like someone has made a trigger guard for the Shield as well.

NO EXPERIENCE with this product but the concept and execution is relatively simple.

https://www (dot) craftholsters.com/kydex-iwb-trigger-guard-holster-p174?model=1130&gclid=Cj0KCQjwh_bLBRDeARIsAH4ZYEOQTuJfPCU43hM5aIV2O9vB1GlhlNM0hcK-xv8Pr37vkjR5R5i6xdgaAqgWEALw_wcB

This was made by our own Josh of Ronin Concealment.  I front pocket carry my 9mm Shield with this set up when it's my only option.  It works perfectly.

 

 

Can you one hand push off the trigger guard? 

I two hand remove my guard or tie it but for a quick pocket carry it would be nice to have a thumb stud or something to push off the guard one handed 

I only have the raven 2 so my experience with trigger guards is limited 

Moustache_6 posted:
 
Consigliere posted:


It looks like the holster is bluish grey, was the color coordination with your purse intentional   ?

Dude, come on...it's a satchel, with racing stripes, made by Coa...oh, never mind. 

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One thread.  Just one fucking thread is all I'm asking for not to be diverted into a Yeager ditch.  Is that too much too ask?

Yeah, it's a Coach.  It's not a purse.  It's a European carryall.  I don't find fashion; fashion finds me.  Deal with it....or not.

Anyway, the trigger holster can easily be tugged off without using the paracord if need be.  I have used it the way it is designed for and it works great.  Between the holster and the thumb safety, I feel secure despite the fact that Mr. Happy has a muzzle pointed toward it.

My job limits my carrying ability.  This is good for me when I can't carry my 1911.

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XTCBX posted:
Moustache_6 posted:
 
Consigliere posted:


It looks like the holster is bluish grey, was the color coordination with your purse intentional   ?

Dude, come on...it's a satchel, with racing stripes, made by Coa...oh, never mind. 

 

  

 

 

 

 

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LobsterClaw207 posted:
XTCBX posted:
Moustache_6 posted:
 
Consigliere posted:


It looks like the holster is bluish grey, was the color coordination with your purse intentional   ?

Dude, come on...it's a satchel, with racing stripes, made by Coa...oh, never mind. 

 

  

Coach? Really. I expect better from you John. Didn't know they were still a thing, my HH6 got off of the Coach bandwagon a few years ago because the quality really isn't all that good, and I couldn't find one in Multicam so she could match my 3DAP from GGG/TT. 

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So you guys don't have Shields and have nothing to help Astronomy.

Sorry Astro, things used to be tighter here.  It's a work in progress now.

 

 

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Could be worse. Someone might have recommended the 9mm because the .45 Shield made their ass look big... 

A friend of mine in used to carry a pretty large Euro man-bag back in the early 80's. Gift from his German wife. He'd catch flack about it from other team guys. They'd ask what he carried in it? He'd reply: "Boxing gloves." Then prove it by pulling out a well worn pair and asking if anyone wanted to spar a few rounds... on the spot. No takers. 

Still really liking the .45 Shield. I swear to God, my hand smiles every time I grip it. Perfect fit. Easy to carry gun. Easy to conceal. Easy to run with using one of these:

http://www.pistolwear.com/pt-one-concealment-holster/

 

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A new Plt Ldr is like a first time new mother. The Plt Sgt is a lifelong midwife and nanny. It's your baby, but he knows a lot about changing diapers and other ugly things. - Astronomy

Are you happy with the Shield as is?  I had no choice on mine as it was ready mega pimped when I got it but if I bought another today all I would do is a complete Apex trigger and the awesome Trijicon HD sights.  Maybe not even the trigger if you liked it.

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Consigliere posted:

So you guys don't have Shields and have nothing to help Astronomy.

Let's see ... Have one, responded to the OP. Have no experience with a .45ACP Shield, so since that's the direction the thread has gone I'm staying in my lane by not commenting - until now. If it comes to carry methods, those I can discuss are all 9mm related and do not involve Coach purses. 

Uh...you do know that I was referring to Larry, Curly and Moe posting directly above me. Or I guess you didn't.

 

And for the love of fuck.....European carry all.  Please update your records to reflect this. Thank you.

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I have the Shield in both 9mm and .45.  Shot the .40 and it was too snappy for the Mrs. (she has a 9mm as well), I agree  with all the info. provided on the 9mm version as previously posted....If considering the .45 version, below is my prior posting of my experience with the .45, since posting more of my colleagues have purchased and put the Shield .45 into service for back-up and off-duty carry.

So I picked up a Shield in .45 ACP with no thumb safety, added a set of Ameriglo night sights as well.  As a side note, had an issue with the MGW Shield sight pusher and could only use it to start the sights out of the dove tails and then used a brass punch to remove them.  Used a brass punch and homemade delrin/polymer punches to install the new night sights.

Shooting:  Fired approx. 300-350 rounds at first time shooting it, Winchester white box 230 grn, FMJ and Winchester 230 grn. JHP Ranger (duty ammo) for ammo.  It shot pretty good, a bit snappy compared to my 9mm Shields and G43, no hiccups or failures at all, not bragging, just didn't experience any issues.  The new trigger is quite improved, not gritty at all all, smoother take up, similar to an APEX in an M&P.  The new grip texture (factory stippling) was much improved, felt good and was definitely aggressive enough for my tastes that I won't need to send it to BoreSight Solutions...at least not now.   Just about everyone in our dept. training unit and range staff have  bought one, qualified with and are carrying the Shield .45.  Overall, it was pleasant shooting and shot well for me.

The reason I bought it- currently issued and carry S&W MP .45 full size with TLR-1 lights and .45 ammo is provided, so a small compact .45 was an easily justified addition for me.  It's still a bit big for BUG pocket carry (weight fully loaded is more than a 9mm Shield loaded), ankle carry is probably ok, but have not found an acceptable (to my standards/preferences) ankle rig, maybe I will contact John at 5 Shot Leather to see if he can accommodate me. So, I'm pleased with it for when I'm needing/wanting to pack  a smaller gun.  Still dig my 9mm Shield.  Just my thoughts and experience thus far.  It has not been carried much, still awaiting some Milt Sparks leather and JM Custom Kydex.

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