Red Dot Sights for Handguns

I just had an Aimpoint installed, and he was close enough to his estimate I did not track the time closely. Fortunately I still have some of the email record: He got the box on 7/18, and it was in my P.O. Box 8/10.

Something else to consider: the mentions made in this string about muscle memory, finding the dot, and some number of presentations being needed to get to the point at which the dot is where it needs to be on the draw seem to be sound. I have done just the slightest amount of playing with mine (today), and the experience is very difference. I would not recommend doing a qualification without real time to test the gun and your presentation.

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Doug Mitchell posted:

I just had an Aimpoint installed, and he was close enough to his estimate I did not track the time closely. Fortunately I still have some of the email record: He got the box on 7/18, and it was in my P.O. Box 8/10.

Something else to consider: the mentions made in this string about muscle memory, finding the dot, and some number of presentations being needed to get to the point at which the dot is where it needs to be on the draw seem to be sound. I have done just the slightest amount of playing with mine (today), and the experience is very difference. I would not recommend doing a qualification without real time to test the gun and your presentation.

Any chance Doug you might post a pic. or two of that AP on  your pistola?

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Doug Mitchell posted:

I just had an Aimpoint installed, and he was close enough to his estimate I did not track the time closely. Fortunately I still have some of the email record: He got the box on 7/18, and it was in my P.O. Box 8/10.

Something else to consider: the mentions made in this string about muscle memory, finding the dot, and some number of presentations being needed to get to the point at which the dot is where it needs to be on the draw seem to be sound. I have done just the slightest amount of playing with mine (today), and the experience is very difference. I would not recommend doing a qualification without real time to test the gun and your presentation.

I would typically agree. Fortunately (or unfortunately), our duty/off duty qual is so ridiculously easy that I'm not really worried about it. If I can't pass it I don't need to be carrying it anyways.

21/30 to pass
5 yards - 12 rounds
        2 rounds in 6 seconds - 6 times (Duty is from the holster w/ retention)
7 yards - 12 rounds
        3 rounds in 7 seconds - 4 times
15 yards - 6 rounds
        3 rounds in 10 seconds - twice

 

Yeah. It's that easy. And for off duty and backups its from low ready.

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shadow93 posted:
Doug Mitchell posted:

I just had an Aimpoint installed, and he was close enough to his estimate I did not track the time closely. Fortunately I still have some of the email record: He got the box on 7/18, and it was in my P.O. Box 8/10.

Something else to consider: the mentions made in this string about muscle memory, finding the dot, and some number of presentations being needed to get to the point at which the dot is where it needs to be on the draw seem to be sound. I have done just the slightest amount of playing with mine (today), and the experience is very difference. I would not recommend doing a qualification without real time to test the gun and your presentation.

I would typically agree. Fortunately (or unfortunately), our duty/off duty qual is so ridiculously easy that I'm not really worried about it. If I can't pass it I don't need to be carrying it anyways.

21/30 to pass
5 yards - 12 rounds
        2 rounds in 6 seconds - 6 times (Duty is from the holster w/ retention)
7 yards - 12 rounds
        3 rounds in 7 seconds - 4 times
15 yards - 6 rounds
        3 rounds in 10 seconds - twice

 

Yeah. It's that easy. And for off duty and backups its from low ready.

are you shooting at buisness cards? gum wrappers maybe?

Boots5271 posted:
shadow93 posted:
Doug Mitchell posted:

I just had an Aimpoint installed, and he was close enough to his estimate I did not track the time closely. Fortunately I still have some of the email record: He got the box on 7/18, and it was in my P.O. Box 8/10.

Something else to consider: the mentions made in this string about muscle memory, finding the dot, and some number of presentations being needed to get to the point at which the dot is where it needs to be on the draw seem to be sound. I have done just the slightest amount of playing with mine (today), and the experience is very difference. I would not recommend doing a qualification without real time to test the gun and your presentation.

I would typically agree. Fortunately (or unfortunately), our duty/off duty qual is so ridiculously easy that I'm not really worried about it. If I can't pass it I don't need to be carrying it anyways.

21/30 to pass
5 yards - 12 rounds
        2 rounds in 6 seconds - 6 times (Duty is from the holster w/ retention)
7 yards - 12 rounds
        3 rounds in 7 seconds - 4 times
15 yards - 6 rounds
        3 rounds in 10 seconds - twice

 

Yeah. It's that easy. And for off duty and backups its from low ready.

are you shooting at buisness cards? gum wrappers maybe?

Sure am. Well if you cover a 8 1/2" by 14" sheet of paper in business cards and gum wrappers that is.

Back on track for the topic. G19 slide got sent to Mark this morning. Can't wait to get it back already. 

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MG in TX posted:

hmmm ................  may need to gets me some popping corn for dis one

Business card is a fun way to shoot that qual.   RDS makes it easy.   Trying to line night sights up at 15yd on that area wouldn't be nearly as easy. 

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Moustache_6 posted:
300LW posted:

Mark quoted me 6 weeks but had my slide (Mark 23) ready to return  in 14 days from the time he received it last month.  

You allowed a MK23 slide to be butchered !?  

The H&K Gods are going to be very angry with you  

Don't all crew served weapons benefit from RDS sights? This seems pretty pragmatic to me...

Longeye posted:
Moustache_6 posted:
300LW posted:

Mark quoted me 6 weeks but had my slide (Mark 23) ready to return  in 14 days from the time he received it last month.  

You allowed a MK23 slide to be butchered !?  

The H&K Gods are going to be very angry with you  

Don't all crew served weapons benefit from RDS sights? This seems pretty pragmatic to me...

This is why I sold my MK23 several years ago. Nothing that small should require a Gunner's Assistant.

I'm gonna make my G19/RMR/X300U my duty pistol at the next qual once it gets back from L&M. For those of you carrying a rmr'd pistol on duty which holster are you going with? The 6354DO or the 6390RDS?

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@shadow93  the 6354 DO is what I use

 Also, I spent the past several day running high water rescue ops in South Houston with my duty pistol, a M&P with RMR mounted by Mark at L&M Precision.  The vast majority of the time I was in water well above my waist so my pistol spent a lot of time completely submerged.  Im happy to report that it caused no issues.   I used my 6354 DO on a paddle for a while until I wised up and moved everything up off my waist into a HPG kit bag which worked a lot better.  It offered the gun some protection, but the depth of the water meant it still got submerged frequently.    I have had the pistol out in the rain quite a bit over the past couple years, but nothing even close to what the conditions were there so I did have some doubts, but I am glad to say not a single issue. 

The RMR and the TLR1 both held up outstanding, as did a Strion I carried everywhere.  All the pollutants and shit in the water resulted in immediate rust forming, but nothing that didn't buff out once we got relieved and I got back home.  Our issued Pelican lights went to shit immediately.  

SoTex posted:

@shadow93  the 6354 DO is what I use

 Also, I spent the past several day running high water rescue ops in South Houston with my duty pistol, a M&P with RMR mounted by Mark at L&M Precision.  The vast majority of the time I was in water well above my waist so my pistol spent a lot of time completely submerged.  Im happy to report that it caused no issues.   I used my 6354 DO on a paddle for a while until I wised up and moved everything up off my waist into a HPG kit bag which worked a lot better.  It offered the gun some protection, but the depth of the water meant it still got submerged frequently.    I have had the pistol out in the rain quite a bit over the past couple years, but nothing even close to what the conditions were there so I did have some doubts, but I am glad to say not a single issue. 

The RMR and the TLR1 both held up outstanding, as did a Strion I carried everywhere.  All the pollutants and shit in the water resulted in immediate rust forming, but nothing that didn't buff out once we got relieved and I got back home.  Our issued Pelican lights went to shit immediately.  

There is good info in this post, beyond the specifics of how well your RDS held up (and I'm glad it did).

We all realize that there is still a ton of work to do for many LF's (and others) in/assisting with Houston.  God bless you all.  America is proud (even the Left...).

Nevertheless, in the coming weeks and months, I hope that you guys 'in the sh*t' can break down suitable info for an AAR.  The conditions you're facing are extreme ( hopefully once-in-a-lifetime), but TTPs and gear that can withstand them need to be shared for the future.

Be safe.

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"Of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there; Eighty are nothing but targets; Nine are real fighters... We are lucky to have them... They make the battle. Ah; but One; One of them is a Warrior... And he will bring the others back." - Heraclitus (Circa 500 B.C.)

 

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Andrew Yersin posted:

Be aware that is the auto adjust only model. No manual adjustment. 

Noticed that after I purchased and posted. Still a smoking deal though and if you want adjustable sell it for more and buy one.

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Moustache_6 posted:
300LW posted:

Mark quoted me 6 weeks but had my slide (Mark 23) ready to return  in 14 days from the time he received it last month.  

You allowed a MK23 slide to be butchered !?  

The H&K Gods are going to be very angry with you  

You can get spare slides?

I was thinking of getting mine Cerakoted to RAL8000....

valdez545 posted:

if you press the two buttons at the same time it becomes auto adjustable; if you only pressed the + or - you adjust the brigthness

That would require it to have buttons. This one does not, these are the RM01 and 02. Not 06/07 as originally posted 

Hippies are just free range yuppies. - M. Wilson
Andrew Yersin posted:

Be aware that is the auto adjust only model. No manual adjustment. 

I went back and confirmed Cabelas' description states it has (8) brightness settings.

I called Cabelas' customer service number and spoke with a product specialist. He advised the 3.25 dot option is the RM01 which is the auto adjust. He said the 6.5 dot option has the (8) brightness settings.

Joined: 3/27/09          Location: Back in MA for now

Don't get the auto-adjust.  In my experience at least, in bright sunlight it still doesn't get bright enough.  That may be peculiar for the intensity of summer sunlight here in Nevada, so YMMV.

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Never hint at what you really feel

Teach the children quietly For some day sons and daughters

Will rise up and fight while we stood still

 

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Linz posted:
Moustache_6 posted:
300LW posted:

Mark quoted me 6 weeks but had my slide (Mark 23) ready to return  in 14 days from the time he received it last month.  

You allowed a MK23 slide to be butchered !?  

The H&K Gods are going to be very angry with you  

You can get spare slides?

I was thinking of getting mine Cerakoted to RAL8000....

$695.95 @ HKparts

https://www.hkparts(DOT)  net/shop/pc/HK-Mark-23-Slide-Incomplete-207p2492.htm

Got all my stuff back from milling, cerakote, etc, and grabbed everything and threw it together tonight.  I'm going to try to get it out to the range this long weekend if i can between the beginning of hockey season and work prep.  

G19 RS

First impression is that it all came together pretty well.  It took a few practice draws and some dry firing to get used to picking up the red dot instead of the front sight, but it only took a couple minutes before the draw was smooth and dot was on target without having to search for it.   Not totally sold on the TBRC Micro Comp just yet, but we will see how it performs.   Wish it had indexed just a bit closer to the slide, but that is mostly the OCD part of me.   Yes...i still need to step up my game to a SF x300U.  This thing is old reliable right now though.  Looking forward to getting some rounds through it in addition to the new Gen 5 in the next few days.  

LOCATION: IDAHO

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I was able to get out this morning about put about 400 rounds each through these .  A couple of observations regarding the RDS equipped G19:

-  Drawing and indexing on the RDS rather than the tip of the front sight post took some work.  After a couple hundred rounds it felt natural, but it will take some continued practice to hammer it home.  I did catch myself of a few occasions needing to search for the dot, but it can be overcome with time.

-  The combination of the RDS, KKM Barrel and TBRC Micro Comp make for a very soft shooting, VERY accurate pistol.  At 7-10 yards it was printing a single hole shooting slow fire, and at 15-25 it was a respectable 4-5 inch grouping.  Admittedly, my pistol skills need some work, but I was more than pleased.  This combination made follow-up shots, controlled pairs and failure drills easy to accomplish.  

-  The addition of the TBRC Micro Comp did not impact the reliability of the pistol whatsoever.  I shot everything from 115-147 grain, including my carry 147g HSTs without issue.  I had a single FTE/Double Feed around round number 210, but nothing prior, or since.  I have an additional 15lb Tungston RSA on order to see if it makes an difference in felt recoil or reliability.  

-  I did not suffer the RDS flicker or loss of dot at all during this range trip.  During assembly, I did make sure i slightly bent the RMR contact points, used Shoe Goo on the battery and sealing plate, and properly torqued the RMR screws.  The RDS was easy to track from target to target and made accuracy simple.  If anything, I found myself over-analyzing the use of the RDS and could have easily gotten combat effective shots off much faster than i did.  

Overall, I am pleased with the set up, and will probably be sending the frame off for a little work shortly.  Nothing too extreme, but at least a trigger guard undercut to eliminate the pressure from the "glock-knuckle", and perhaps some light stippling as the Gen 4 grip texture suits me just fine.  Looking forward to getting it out some more over the next few weeks.  

 

 

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I am looking at the adjustable LED models and see:

  • RM06 -> 3.25 MOA dot
  • RM07 -> 6.5 MOA dot
  • RM09 -> 1 MOA dot

I am 47 years old and my eyes are fading. As it stands I am having a hard time focusing on a typical sized front sight. I can see the big dot front sight much better but it is huge.

I have shot with an RM04 with the 7 MOA dot and it is huge. I do not think I would have any problem seeing the RM06's 3.25 MOA dot. I am curious about the RM09's 1 MOA dot. Does anyone have any input on whether it is too small for old guy eyes?

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