Revolvers II

 

 

 Since the other revolver topic was related to back up types, and we started to veer off, I wanted to start a thread on full size "combat revolvers". There some guys here who carried them on duty, and I think we could learn a thing or two.

 I've acquired a revolver or tow over the years and currently have 4, all S&W pre-lock.

 1x M36-1 j frame Sq butt 3"

 1x M586 L frame Sq butt 6" adj front sight

 2x M13-3 K frame Sq butt 3"

 

 While I have no delusions of these being picked as the Army's new handgun, or rescuing hostages with one, I do have an interest in making a limited investment in time and money to shoot them a bit better. I believe it will make me a better pistol shooter in general and a more rounded shooter overall. Here are some thought's/questions I've come up with doing some research.

 

 Make:

 I owned a Colt Detective Special, Diamondback and Trooper MKIII. Nice guns, probably as good as anything, but the reality is Colt smiths are few and far between and backed up. Parts are dwindling, and people will pay astronomical prices for a rusty nail with that horsey on it.

 That leaves S&W and Ruger. No real experience with the Rugers, but no reason to believe they are not gtg. I just happen to have all Smiths.

 

 Models/Size:

 I think the 3" K frame is the G19 of the revolver world. The 4" L frame closer to the G17/1911

 

 Calibre:

 I used to own a M25 in 45LC. Neat gun, but at the end of the day, it was a lot of gun that didn't offer a lot over a 1911 for it's size. Or a K/L frame gun for that matter.

 Right now, I am leaning toward .38+P at being just about the best balance of power vs recoil. Call me a puss, but full house magnums are not what I wanna spend the whole day shooting. Enough people I trust feel the 38 was no detriment when they carried it, that I think it's gtg.

 

 Sights:

 While even amongst auto shooters, people will say no "real combat gun" has adjustable sights. I guess no one told that to the real deal guys I know who take adj sighted pistols into combat regularly. I would much prefer adj sights, it just makes life easier. Mu M36 shoots about 4" low and right at 25yds, and that's just not acceptable to me.

 

 Grips:

 I've been racking my brain and lurking in many forums the last few weeks over this. It's a tough pill to swallow to spend $150+ on a set of custom grips and not be sure you'll even like them. Mass produced grips never seem to fit right, with palm swells & finger grooves in the wrong place. Bowling pin wood finishes, etc.

 I'm really starting to think the old school Pachmayr's might be the best compromise, at least on a duty/open carry type set up, where they will with stand some abuse. They are cheap, apparently can be doctored a bit, aren't as sticky as Hogues, but offer some grip over the bowling pin type finish.

 Two guys I worked with used to shoot a lot of PPC, one still does. neither of them seemed to think spending big money on grips was worth it. The current shooter, used foam to mod a set of hogues. I just found two different types of Pach's that have been discontinued, Small presentations, with no finger grooves or palm swells, I'm hoping these work well for my 586. The two M13's have Pachmayr compac's with the covered back strap. They seem to work well also...more shooting will tell. 

Having said that, a set of old mass produced Herretts is in my future and possibly a set of custom made one........possibly.

 

 Of course grips leads to this question...finger placement. I've got smaller hands. I can get my trigger finger into the trigger so the crease of my first joint is at the right side of the trigger face..is that about right? More, less? this feels like I can manipulate the DA trigger fairly well. The PPC guy says that should be gtg.

 

 Custom work:

 Not sure I'm ready to dump a bunch of money into these side track guns, but, as some other projects get finished, I wouldn't mind getting some moderate work done. Maybe the combat revolver package from S&W for the K frames and Master action job for the L.

 

 Anything else? thoughts? experience?

 

 ETA: I didn't join S&W forums to talk revolvers because they talk about fit and finish, soul, blah blah blah...not really interested in a bunch of glock or M&P bashing, etc.

 

Bob

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"Good landing, good fight, and good luck" James M. Gavin 09Jul43

 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

Original Post

I don't really have anything to offer here, except to say that I've got a Taurus Model 80 with a 4" barrel that I've been wanting to spend some more quality time with.

 

Frankly, I'd love to use it as a daily carry piece, since it weighs less than my CZ, but finding a concealment holster for a Model 80 ain't the easiest thing in the world apparently.

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Originally posted by Timmy: I don’t carry a gun because I think I’m going to get into a gun fight. I carry because I don’t want to miss the OPPORTUNITY to get into a gun fight.

I have small hands also and use the same trigger placement as you describe.  Works for me.  For your K-Frame square butts, try to find a pair of the old Uncle Mike's Boot Grips. They're copied from Craig Spegel's design, are a non-sticky rubber compound, and fill the space behind the trigger guard with out increasing size very much at all. They do have a "finger bump" at the front much like a smooth contoured AR15A2 grip though.

 

I never liked the square butt in j's and they don't have much available in the grip market.

 

J. R. 

Originally Posted by X-ray Dave:

I believe that the Taurus Model 80 is a copy of the S&W Mod 10. K frame holsters for a 4 inch bbl should work.

 

Dave.

Sweet. Much appreciated.

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Originally posted by Timmy: I don’t carry a gun because I think I’m going to get into a gun fight. I carry because I don’t want to miss the OPPORTUNITY to get into a gun fight.

I'm a revolver fan as well, and have a bunch.  My favorite by far is a 4" Model 66 no-dash that was the second handgun I ever bought (after a 1911).  It came with the old-school Pachmayr grips and I ran it that way for a long time.  Finally got sick of the finger bumps being in the wrong spot and bought some monstrous Herrett wood target grips from CDNN for like $15.  Bolted them on and took a Dremel, files, and sandpaper to them until they looked like a version of the smooth Miculek grips made for human hands.  J.M. has some enormous dickskinners, and his proprietary grips just won't work for me.  Made a world of difference in how the 66 shoots and carries.

 

Gave it to my Dad since he didn't have a good HD pistol and a GP100 took that slot in the safe, but it's not the same. 

 

Also a fan of the Ruger Security Six 2.75" with a Tyler T-grip.  Great sturdy "fighting" revolver, sized sort of between the K and L frames.

 

My grail is one of the old 3" heavy barrel Smiths that the FBI carried.  Anyone have pictures or info on those?

 

"Speed's fine, but accuracy is final" - Bill Jordan

Duty revolvers I've owned or been issued:

 

Model 66 4"

Model 19 2 1/2"

Model 28 6"

Model 66 2 1/2"

Model 36 2"

Model 15 4"

Model 10 - built into a PPC gun.

Model 25 - 6 1/2" - 45ACP

 

I shot my briefcase box of Magnums once a month - Federal .357 165gr JSP - as well as all the training ammo the other officers didn't shoot.

 

If I had to face shoot a guy with one of my kids hostage, I'm still not sure I wouldn't opt for that old worn out Model 15 .38  over anything else I've carried.

 

Grips - Pachmayr's, Presentations on the full-size; Compacs or factory wood with Tyler grip adapters on the 2 1/2"

 

I do not like the actions on Colt revolvers, I can feel them stack, just my preference. 

 

The Model 28 rode in a Hoyt breakfront and I sent it off to a guy named Cap Cresap (IIRC) to have Ltronic Night Sights installed.  He did an excellent job of installing what I assume were LEDs - one in the front sight and two in the back. He drilled down that skinny rib on the 28, and then from the area of the rear sight through the frame and side plate, ending with a pressure switch built into the Pachmayrs.  I think I paid $105.00 in 1977 dollars to have that done and the weapon hard chromed.  Bad ass!  Only problem was I forgot to tell him I was a leftie and he placed the pressure switch for a rightie.

 

The thing I noticed about police revolver shooters when we started doing more practical training on knock down steel was that if a revolver shooter missed a shot on a plate you would usually see them 'grab' the front sight and hit the next shot.  With the auto the average police shooter would miss, and then just keep pressing until finally one hit.  If you get my point.

 

We used to arch the main spring and some guys would cut a coil or two off the trigger rebound spring - I never did.  Today you just buy what you want after market.

 

I like smooth triggers and have always used the finger placement you described.

 

 

 

Originally Posted by duckhunter6:

 

My grail is one of the old 3" heavy barrel Smiths that the FBI carried.  Anyone have pictures or info on those?

 

 

 

 How's this?

 

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Some comments...

The Speed/Security six guns are pretty much K frame. They take K frame speed loaders...

Re carry.
Until the Speed Six came out I carried a M10 4" in plainclothes and off duty, with a speed reload.
I am not big, but there were a lot of holster makers that put out some very good carry rigs that didn't cost a weeks paycheck to by.

The issue Service Grips on the Smiths and Ruger were good with a Tyler T adopter.
I have used the Pachmyer and Magna on my Service Revolver .

Re 'smiths. At one time there were as many revolver 'smiths as there are *instructors* now.
Except that most of them were pretty functional.

Finding good ones for the Colt and S&W guns now is tough, and revolvers are pretty fragile items.

Aside for sentimental reasons, I wouldn't consider Colt or S&W for serious shooting.
The Ruger is a pretty strong gun, and the action is accessible.


Like Bob, piss on 357. Their are a lot of good .38Spec loads that do very well without pain, poor shot to shot time and pain.

I have a few .45 Colt revolvers, and enjoy shooting them, but unlike Nyeti, we were limited to fixed sight, blue steel S&W M1o and when they were still available, Colt Official Police, and only in. .38 Spec.

I would prefer not to carry a revolver for a primary gun anymore, but if I did, I would, and wouldn't blink.

Originally Posted by R.Moran:
Originally Posted by duckhunter6:

 

My grail is one of the old 3" heavy barrel Smiths that the FBI carried.  Anyone have pictures or info on those?

 

 

 

 How's this?

 

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Bob- the 3" round butt would have been in my armory, but they didn't authorize them until the year before I retired and and didn't see the sense.
I wish I had one now...

Originally Posted by Pat _Rogers:



I would prefer not to carry a revolver for a primary gun anymore, but if I did, I would, and wouldn't blink.

 

 Agreed.

 Thanks for the insight, the only thing I know about Rugers is they are akin to hamburgers, apparently.

 I was actually surprised Colt fixed my DS when they did. I thought for sure they're were gonna tell me I was shit outta luck.

 

 k frame smith are everywhere, and S&W still makes revolvers, as does Ruger...no brainer there.

 

 I just won another M13 3" on GB, should be here next week. It looks a bit rougher then the one in the pic. Another GB, lets see what he wants for it bid gone awry

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 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

Originally Posted by R.Moran:
Originally Posted by duckhunter6:

 

My grail is one of the old 3" heavy barrel Smiths that the FBI carried.  Anyone have pictures or info on those?

 

 

 

 How's this?

 

IMG_20131215_201316_276

 

That thing is SWEET!  Parkerized, bobbed hammer, wood grips with Tyler T, and a big honkin' gold bead front sight is what I'm thinking.

 

"Speed's fine, but accuracy is final" - Bill Jordan

This post makes me miss a 3" Mod.19, round butt and full ejection rod shroud I was issued many moons ago and far, far away. Loaded with 38 +P THVs it was a pleasure to shoot and I never doubted its capacity to perform when needed (as far as handguns go...). The only mods we were allowed were Pachmayrs like the ones in the pic above.

I wonder whatever happened to those after more modern sidearms were adopted.

 

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Tact is for people not witty enough to use sarcasm.

Horsehide, the grips are out there. Found a pair today in the $5.00 box at a LGS today.

Grabbed them and a  pair of Mershons for a N frame. The Mershons are marked Los  Angeles 15 CA. Put Hogue 6200 grips on my bobbed 2 inch 64, shrinks it down to a fat J frame. I did thru all the "junk boxes" and find nice grips often.

 

Dave

"Keep that cheap, wail'n slut quiet!" A.J. Maggott

I'm in good company.  I have:

 

4" S&W M19 with Hogue grips

4" S&W M19 roundbutt (did it myself) with Hogue grips

2 1/2" S&W M66 with Pachmayer roundbutt grips

4" S&W M586 factory roundbutt with Hogue grips

 

Just a side note.  We were issued 6" skinny barrel M10's when I was in San Diego.  I quickly replaced that with a 4" 581, and a couple of years later, the 586 roundbutt.  I had a Colt Detective for a backup.

 

2" S&W M442 with Hogue bantam grips

6 1/2" S&W M629 with Hogue grips

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These M19 we had also had fixed sights.

They looked like a M13 with a full ejection rod shroud.

The frames were marked as 19, but I do not remember what the "dash number" was.

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Tact is for people not witty enough to use sarcasm.

 

 

 The grips in the pic are pachmayr compac's. they are still made and available.

 

 At two different times I owned a 586 w/ a round butt and a matte bead blasted type finish. Supposedly some sort of special run or over run. They both got stolen at different times. A friend recently had one and sold it. I also had a 586 no dash, that I quickly traded for the M13 pictured above.

 

 They did make 3" Model 19's w/ adjustable sights. They are rare and expensive when you find them.

 If S&W made their new 66 in a 3", it would be just about as good as it gets.

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 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

Revolvers?  Let me sing you the song of my people.

 

i am doing this from memory so I think I currently own.

 

 Oh just FYI all I own for DA revolvers are Smiths. 

 

34 kit gun in .22 lr 4"

63 kit gun in .22 LR 4" 

651 Kit gun in 22 mag 4"

442 in 38 spec +p

642 in 38 spec +p

66 2.5" DA only

66 3",Da only

66 4" DA only 

10 6" 1" dia bull barrel by Bill Davis with a Tasco dot for,Nra Action (bianchi cup)

10 6" 1" dia bull barrel and Power Grandmaster rib smithed by Ron Power himself for PPC

686 4"

325 PD 2.5" N Scandium N frame in 45 ACP

329'PD 4" N Scandium N frame in 44 Mag 

21 TR Special in 44 special

Another tr special I forget the model in 45 Colt IIRC

629 6" with a custom Shillouette front sight DA only from when I shot bowling pins competitively 

625 Moutain Gun in 45 ACP DA only

625 Mountain Gun in 45 Colt

629 Mountain Gun in 44 Mag DA only 

 

I think hunk there are a couple more hiding around here cause my count is off.

 

but like Pat I would have no,issues if I had to get into a fight with one. I have shot them so much and imstill practice with them regularly that I can still,speed loaf awful fast.

 

hpwver my daily carry is a G19 and a snubbie as a back up

 

the wheel,guns get relegated to wods and hunting guns 

 

I own only Smith DA guns because you can't get as nice an action as you can on a Ruger.

 

conversely I onlynown Ruger,single,actions because the Smiths won't take the higher pressure loads tha the Rugers just eat up.

 

 

 

 

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I have seen that fixed sight variant of the M19 on the S&W forum. The ones with adjustable sights are rare; the ones with fixed sights are nearly unicorns. I think they are 19-3s and 19P, but don't quote me on that. The 3" RB M66s out there (66-3s, IIRC) are heavily sought for carry by the revolver fans, and prices reflect that, but they are at least affordable enough (sort) of, that one could carry/shoot one and not feel bad. I think the RBs are better for carry, and may some day have the butt of my M66 4" (w/S&W action work and gold bead front) chopped by a good gunsmith. People handy with the rights tools do it themselves. People like me are smart enough to know that the right tool for this job is a checkbook. I use the short barrel gold dots in it.

 

I still have my first duty revolver, an M58. It's been customized now, with electroless nickel and a fiber optic front sight. Used it for my first LEOSA qual. Did ok, but the indoor range didn't allow lead ammo, so I had to use the Gold Dot hunting load. Not fun to shoot at all, and I got cussed at and about due to the noise and concussion. I have two other 4" N frames. One is a .44 Magnum Mountain gun (629-4). I have a few hundred of the .44 special gold dot and some snake shot loads. The other was a .44 magnum, but I had Bowen convert it to .45ACP, put some more visible sights on it, etc. Shoots like a laser. Damned fool use of money from an objective viewpoint. The same Kramer MSP paddle for all 3 - I really like that holster. Had one for my USP45 and it worked like a dream.

 

I also have an M14 - the K38. It makes me look like a good shot if I concentrate. It's just fun to shoot. My M940 is not fun to shoot, even with the LG405 cushioned laser grip. I am going to have some work done on it (Horvath has been suggested). It is useful though, especially for air travel, since the ammo logistics with a Glock 19L are easier. It would replace my 296 as a fanny pack gun when travelling. The 296 is butt ugly, kinda big and clunky, but with .44 gold dots, great for walking the dog etc. I find it less obnoxious to shoot than a J frame with .38 +P, but opinions seem to vary a lot on that.

 

My big problem with fixed sights on revolvers is that they are hard to pick up in a hurry. My crummy vision has been made worse with age and the damage done during the period of undiagnosed high blood sugar. I also simply need to work more with the revolvers and a good class/instructor. I find them harder to shoot well at speed than an autopistol, and they take more work to be good. Or something. I don't feel as though my performance with one is what it should be. I pretty much don't carry most of them except as a BUG or as a bigger BUG in the car on trips.

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Currently revolverless... started out on a 4" Model 10 HB, and a Security-Six 4".

 

Later on, had a 581 4".

 

For shooting magnums and shooting a lot in general, always preferred the Hogue rubber monogrip. Grippy, recoil reducing and they fit me.

 

They're too grippy for concealment though, so if I had to go that route i'd probably go checkered wood or maybe some Pachmayrs.

 

The little 649 snubbie I had came with factory wood and stayed that way. But for a full size gun and openly carried (ie duty gun) I'd still choose the Monogrip.

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I don't know if it is wisdom, experience, or just being an old fart, but most of the "young" guys I encounter don't understand what a good shooter a revolver can be.  They fixate on 6 rounds in the cylinder vs. 15+ in the magazine.

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I EDC'd a 686+ Mountain Gun for a while. Relatively easily concealable IWB. The MG configuration is light enough to carry, but stout enough that it doesn't beat the shit out of you. I could put a box through it at the range without thinking it sucked.

 

Like Pat mentioned about 'smithing revolvers, I was/am on of those, but only on S&W's. They are ridiculously easy to smooth out. I never tried to make one a race gun. I 'll never try to do the same on a Ruger double action.

 

With our mag laws, 7 rounds of .357 isn't bad.

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Younger guy here. My only revolver right now is a 642. The first handguns I shot were D/A S&W's, K & L frames that belonged to my uncles and cousins.

I don't know if its just me, but I've always felt the long smooth DA pull on a revolver helped with accuracy. It seems like it gives you time to refine (or adjust) your sight picture as you're pulling the trigger, vs a Striker fired pistol where I had/ have to work harder to avoid pulling a shot due to bad trigger press or jerk.

And finally a question for guys who shot revolver in competition and for work.
When engaging multiple targets did/ do you start the trigger pull as you move the gun to the next target, or did you have a good sight picture on the next target before you began pressing the trigger? - Thanks.
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for competition I am already starting to stage the trigger for the next shot while I am moving from one target to the next or while I am coming back on target in PPC and then just roll,it,on through when I have the sight picture I desire.

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Originally Posted by Pat _Rogers:


The issue Service Grips on the Smiths and Ruger were good with a Tyler T adopter.

My Taurus has one of these, and I was really surprised at how comfortable the grip is with it.

 

When a buddy of mine told me the pawn shop had one of these, my mind instantly planned on swapping grips. Hogue, Pachmyers, something else. With this Tyler T adapter? Nah. I'll save my money.

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Originally posted by Timmy: I don’t carry a gun because I think I’m going to get into a gun fight. I carry because I don’t want to miss the OPPORTUNITY to get into a gun fight.
Originally Posted by hasher:

for competition I am already starting to stage the trigger for the next shot while I am moving from one target to the next or while I am coming back on target in PPC and then just roll,it,on through when I have the sight picture I desire.

 

Yup!  It's amazing how effective a good long DA pull can be when you can consistently stage it for the next shot.  As a kid I started out with a single action .22 and didn't know anything about DA revolvers.  Fast forward a couple of years an the Model 66 was an impulse buy, but really made me appreciate a good DA trigger.  It's hard to beat the action of a leaf spring Smith, although Colt wheelguns have a pretty devoted following.  I just can't throw down that kind of money for a Python that would end up being a safe queen.

 

 

"Speed's fine, but accuracy is final" - Bill Jordan

Being younger . . . ish, I am a dyed in the wool auto guy.  Oddly, I have more S&W J frames than I do weapons by other mfgrs.

 

Revolvers sold over the years:

625-7

Performance Center Model 19

629

Uberti Schofield in .45 Colt

 

Current - all J frames

640

642

340PD in .38 Special (yes, you read that right)

342 TI

317 Airlite

 

 

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I like revolvers don't carry them much as primarys but I have a few: 

Ruger 4in stainless service six .357

S&W 4in and 3in model 66

S&W 2 1/2in M-19 Canadian Police Trade in

S&W 4 in M-10 heavy barrel

S&W 2in M-12,

S&W stainless Mountain Gun  4in 45 colt

S&W 6 in M-25 45 colt

S&W 3inHB model 547 in 9mm

S&W model 638 airweight

a 3rd gen colt detective special with colt hammer shroud

 

 All the S&Ws except the 638 are pre lock. My preferred .357 load is the Golden Saber 125 grain load, it's a mid range load and recoil is very manageable out of the K frame guns .The .45 colts get the silver tip or the Federal LHP load.The .38s get LHP +P or the new critical defense lite 90 load. When I started LE my department had mandated semi autos for 3 years and only grandfathered revolvers were allowed. I left a few years later and it was well into the new century before the last hold out retired or switched to a square gun. Revolvers are fun guns and backups but as several here have said I wouldn't be afraid of carrying several to defend myself.

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Bob, 

 

Glad you created this thread. You know I have a soft spot in my heart for revolvers. 

 

I don't think I will be carrying a revolver any time soon other than my 3" M65 on a random occasion. So, Ive been looking at larger revolvers to play with on the range. The S&W Performance Center revolvers are really appealing to me. The 986 Pro Series is at the top of the list. If you don't know, its a 5", 7 shot, 9mm revolver. There is no practical reason for me to buy a $1K revolver like the 986, but I sure as hell want it. 

 

There is one revolver that I sold that I wish I hadn't. A 4" 586 with a matte blue finish. It was a dream to shoot and looked (to me) like the ultimate combat revolver. If I ever find another one like it, I'll have to buy it. 

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Dan,

 That's the 586 I was talking about. I'm still looking to replace mine.

 As far as the 986, see my thread on "just because" guns.

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"Good landing, good fight, and good luck" James M. Gavin 09Jul43

 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

I've had several revolvers over the years and most of them I wished I still had. Sold or traded them for the latest new toys. Besides my small collection of J frames I have 2 N frames. 

 

A S&W 28-2. Took the wood grips off and installed some VZ grips. I shoot more .38 through it than .357. I like the fact that both are good.

 

i recently traded into a S&W 544 Texas Sesquicentennial with a felt lined box in 44-40. I think it falls into the "just because" section of my armory. If I decide to keep it I'm going to need to reload for it. 

 

 

LPD "People ask the difference between a leader and a boss. . . The leader works in the open, and the boss in covert. The leader leads, and the boss drives." - Theodore Roosevelt

Bob:

 

I shoot a Security Six in IDPA. .38s are cheap and easy to reload, so you can afford to shoot a bunch. IDPA with a revolver teaches you to be a problem solver and make your shots count. While the stages in IDPA are supposed to be revolver neutral, they usually aren't. So, just like real life, it's not "fair" and requires some thought on your part.

 

Enjoy the wheelgun.


 

Duty, Honor, Country.

1LT Williams & SPC Hosford, 33rd IBCT ILARNG, SGT Chavers & SPC Johnson, 48th IBCT GAARNG - KIA 06JUL09 FOB Kunduz, Afghanistan. RIP Warriors, you are not forgotten.

Bob, Dan,

Is this the one you're talking about?  Other than working on the action and the springs, it is still the way I bought it 20+ years ago.

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Mark

Swear allegiance to the flag Whatever flag they offer

Never hint at what you really feel

Teach the children quietly For some day sons and daughters

Will rise up and fight while we stood still

 

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 Dorsai,

 If it's matte finished that would be it.

 

 Here's my M36-1 3". It's rough, but I only paid $100 for it.

 

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 IIRC S&W doesn't offer any action jobs for the J frame, but I will check again. Otherwise, I'm thinking of Karl Sokul, to correct the POA/I & a basic action job and refinish. Saw a set of Herretts on GB, NIB, turns out they are at a shop local to another LFer, he checked them out and said they are GTG, so that might happen. The Pach's are not bad though.

 I bought a Galco Hornet(?) for it, and shoot standard velocity. Its shoots 4-5" low right, so I don't shoot it much. Neat little gun.

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"Good landing, good fight, and good luck" James M. Gavin 09Jul43

 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

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Yeah, it's matte.  I've been collecting guns so my kids start off with a good arsenal.  They've all got an AR, AK, SA handgun and a revolver.  Plus the ones that they don't get until I'm dead.  Anyway, I let my son choose which one of the revolvers he wanted and he picked the 586. 

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Mark

Swear allegiance to the flag Whatever flag they offer

Never hint at what you really feel

Teach the children quietly For some day sons and daughters

Will rise up and fight while we stood still

 

Joined:  2/24/2003                          Location:  Nevada, USA

I picked up a 4" 686 (7 shot) to carry for court, inspections, and other functions last year. It took a couple of months to get comfortable with it but has been a blast to train with. Like what was said earlier about having to think more, I agree with it. Will it replace my auto for patrol use, no but improving my proficiency with a wheel gun has helped my overall pistol skills.   

For those looking for S&W revolver work I have a buddy who has used the Sand Burr Gun Ranch Gun located in Rochester Indiana , Dennis Riechard  gunsmith. A buddy has a couple J frames he has had worked over there that are slick that are slick.

Y'all got on this boat for different reasons, but y'all come to the same place. So now I'm asking more of you than I have before. Maybe all. Sure as I know anything, I know this - they will try again. Maybe on another world, maybe on this very ground swept clean. A year from now, ten? They'll swing back to the belief that they can make people... better. And I do not hold to that. So no more runnin'. I aim to misbehave. - Capt. Mal

I will second Denny Reicherdt for gun work. Denny is a retired Rochester PD DetectI've and his duty gun was usually a heavily engraved 6" 629.

 

and don't bet against him running a wheel,gun. I did the Advanced course at Chapman Academy with him. His ammomwas a 5 gallon bucket of hot reloads. Took to hwlp him get it out of,the trunk.  The man shot them all,week and we shat a lot,at lunch and after class and it was full,power loads all,the time.

 

He has done 3 guns for me and the actions were top notch. 

___________________________ "Heres your E ticket, the train to Poserville leaves in an hour, be on it... And take your BB gun with ya, puke..." ~The crappier the town, the more likely you can become a hero.~ ~Hope you got your things together. Hope you are quite prepared to die. Looks like we're in for nasty weather. One eye is taken for an eye.~

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