Revolvers II

Gemini has a good rep for Ruger work.

"If I had a Grandpa, he would look like Delbert Belton"

Let those who love the LORD hate evil. The one who guards the lives of his godly ones will rescue them from the power of wicked people. Psalms 97:10 Trooper Troy Duncan-EOW 5-19-84 Deputy Erik Jon Telen-EOW 8-21-2001

Originally Posted by Buford Boone:

       

The 3" Model 13 holds a special place in my heart.  It was standard issue back in 1988.  Didn't really care for the fixed sights but it did what it needed to do.  My duty pistol before the Bureau was a 1911.  Instead of bitching about having to go "backward", I was happy to have the job.

 

I'd still have it but the Attorney General wouldn't allow us to purchase them when the Bureau went to semi-autos because "There are already too many guns on the street".

 

They, and many others, were melted.  The amount of guns that are destroyed, just because, is beyond sad.


       
That is heartbreaking. I would have loved to have owned a bureau model 13. What was your agency before the bureau?
Nytei,

Looks like the Davis grips will be the ticket. The Jordan grips seemed loose on the frame so I'll relook them when I have the time.

Tech question.

Given the popularity of stippling on today's plastic fantastics why are/were smooth grips like the Jordan's, Michuliks so common/prefered? Is it largely due to the different manual of arms, common carry methods, or the recoil characteristics?

Sometimes you just need to know, even when it makes your ignorance more obvious.
Originally Posted by Desert01:
Nytei,

Looks like the Davis grips will be the ticket. The Jordan grips seemed loose on the frame so I'll relook them when I have the time.

Tech question.

Given the popularity of stippling on today's plastic fantastics why are/were smooth grips like the Jordan's, Michuliks so common/prefered? Is it largely due to the different manual of arms, common carry methods, or the recoil characteristics?

Sometimes you just need to know, even when it makes your ignorance more obvious.

Not Nyeti,  but have carried a wheel gun for almost 40 years. Easier to adjust grip if a poor one was initially executed. Clothing rides over them and doesn't attach/snag or IMHO print like the others.

I think the one thing the revolver does is embody "everyone is different".  Obviously the smooth grips will not grab clothing and I like them for most concealment guns.  Otherwise,it is very much personal preference.  Jerry Miculek uses a smooth very round grip.  I have several sets and many swear by them.  I don't particularly like them.  Then we have Phil Hemphill is is probably the most accomplished revolver shooter of our time over many disciplines.  His grips are made by Nill.  They are much different from the Miculeck's and heavily stippled.  I love his style of grip although I have to use smaller ones because Hemphill has large hands.  Wayne and I will both be running Nill's on our 3" 66's and I have them in my competition guns.  As much as I like the Nill's and their heavy stippling and finger grooves, I have a bunch of Ahrend's Retro targets that our smooth without finger grooves.  

These will also have different recoil characteristics.  I spent WAY too much time shooting snub nose big bore magnums and big bores in general in my high round count revolver years.  I am paying for that now.  Although most of my cool big bores have custom grips, I have several sets of Hogue and Pachmayer rubber grips to put on them if I am going to shoot more than a couple of cylinders full of ammunition.  

Factory grio wise......Rugers newer live rubber grips hands down.  

 

Overall, they are very personal and do different things.  It is one of the advantages.  I can take a revolver and run boot grips on it Ina deep concealment role, and with a simple change go to something that would be better for shooting a match or training class.

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Let those who love the LORD hate evil. The one who guards the lives of his godly ones will rescue them from the power of wicked people. Psalms 97:10 Trooper Troy Duncan-EOW 5-19-84 Deputy Erik Jon Telen-EOW 8-21-2001

For a 1950's cop, this would have been the sign of "a gun guy". This is a Colt 3-5-7. It was an upgrade from the original Colt Trooper. It is essentially a Colt Python without the rib and shrouded barrel.  They have a great balance. These are literally out of the box target guns.  They came in both 4 and 6 inch barrels (with 5" special orders with nickle finish for the Florida Highway Patrol). They also came in target or service versions.  The targets has target grips, triggers and hammers.  The service like the one pictured has a smaller grip thinner hammer and trigger.  Both used very good target sights and were well known tack drivers due to the sights and great action. They were very strong exceptional quality guns. They are rare because most cops bought the cheaper Trooper and those with the financial means went with the Python when they came out.
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"If I had a Grandpa, he would look like Delbert Belton"

Let those who love the LORD hate evil. The one who guards the lives of his godly ones will rescue them from the power of wicked people. Psalms 97:10 Trooper Troy Duncan-EOW 5-19-84 Deputy Erik Jon Telen-EOW 8-21-2001

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For a 1950's cop, this would have been the sign of "a gun guy". This is a Colt 3-5-7. It was an upgrade from the original Colt Trooper. It is essentially a Colt Python without the rib and shrouded barrel.  They have a great balance. These are literally out of the box target guns.  They came in both 4 and 6 inch barrels (with 5" special orders with nickle finish for the Florida Highway Patrol). They also came in target or service versions.  The targets has target grips, triggers and hammers.  The service like the one pictured has a smaller grip thinner hammer and trigger.  Both used very good target sights and were well known tack drivers due to the sights and great action. They were very strong exceptional quality guns. They are rare because most cops bought the cheaper Trooper and those with the financial means went with the Python when they came out.
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Oh dear God I must have one.  I had ZERO idea such a beast existed.  I'm not going to ask $$$ because I have an idea the HK fund will not like the answer but damn.  Just.....damn.

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Originally Posted by nyeti:
For a 1950's cop, this would have been the sign of "a gun guy". This is a Colt 3-5-7. It was an upgrade from the original Colt Trooper. It is essentially a Colt Python without the rib and shrouded barrel.  They have a great balance. These are literally out of the box target guns.  They came in both 4 and 6 inch barrels (with 5" special orders with nickle finish for the Florida Highway Patrol). They also came in target or service versions.  The targets has target grips, triggers and hammers.  The service like the one pictured has a smaller grip thinner hammer and trigger.  Both used very good target sights and were well known tack drivers due to the sights and great action. They were very strong exceptional quality guns. They are rare because most cops bought the cheaper Trooper and those with the financial means went with the Python when they came out.
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Nice, do you have a Smython too?

 

 

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I am working on getting a Smython. I need to find the right one as there are some hack jobs out there.

"If I had a Grandpa, he would look like Delbert Belton"

Let those who love the LORD hate evil. The one who guards the lives of his godly ones will rescue them from the power of wicked people. Psalms 97:10 Trooper Troy Duncan-EOW 5-19-84 Deputy Erik Jon Telen-EOW 8-21-2001

Wow, I used to see a few of these here in Alaska, some four inchers carried by the Alaska Railroad Police when the railroad was under federal control.

The one I had a chance to shoot was very, very smooth.

Never saw a four inch for sale, always six inch.

Lovely gun.

Art

This tread is killing me.

 

I was planning on saving up for a GP100 Match Champion. Then my dog blew out her CCL (the equivent of an ACL for a dog), so that puts those plans on hold for now.

 

However I did notice the S&W Pro Series 627 while oogling the interweb. Same MSRP as the Match Champion, K-frame, 8 rounds, 4 inch slab side barrel. Go big or Go Home, right?

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Originally Posted by gulf1263:

Wow, I used to see a few of these here in Alaska, some four inchers carried by the Alaska Railroad Police when the railroad was under federal control.

The one I had a chance to shoot was very, very smooth.

Never saw a four inch for sale, always six inch.

Lovely gun.

Art

It is kind of an "era" thing.  I notice with the older guns it seems the longer 5 and 6 inch guns were really popular.  I think it is due to the "gun games" of their day when bullseye was a much more establish and popular discipline than today and the equipment reflected that.  It is amazing how many beautiful custom hand made true target grips pop up on the web for these older guns.

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Let those who love the LORD hate evil. The one who guards the lives of his godly ones will rescue them from the power of wicked people. Psalms 97:10 Trooper Troy Duncan-EOW 5-19-84 Deputy Erik Jon Telen-EOW 8-21-2001

For anyone following this thread and wanting a decent priced good used revolver.

J&G has some imported LE trade in S&W Model 10s. Bobbed hammer, heavy 4 inch bbl , blued. $299.95  +$20.00 for select  Oh, they're in .38 SPL. These will go fast, buy early, buy often.

 

Dave

 

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Good guy I've known for years is getting rid of this dead sexy Ruger. Too much for me and I am gonna stick with Smith, but thought some of you might like it:

Ruger GP100, stainless steel, 4 inch bbl, *Ron Power custom* includes action work, chamber chamfer and numbering, stippled trigger guard and Power Custom logo on top strap. Less than 1,000 rounds, mostly .38 special through it. Package includes 9 speedloaders (3 HKS, 3 Comp ll, 3 Comp lll), Bianchi holster, Pachmeyer and original grips, and colored front sight inserts.

If this doesn't violate selling form rules, and you want it, PM me and I'll get you the contact info. KC area probably best so no mailing.

 

nyeti snagged it, immediately. It's very shiny so expect photos in a few weeks once it's all worked out. 

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Let put my surprised face on that Nyeti snagged that.

 

In my last post I made an error. The 627 is an N frame, not a k. Typo

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Looking for holsters for my 19 a few weeks back, these Don Hume front break things popped up on eBay. 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/331448134238

 

Not super my thing, but they keep advertising it to me, and now that they are down to $25 with free shipping, I just ordered one. Not what cops here carried their revolvers in back when I was a kid and my Dad worked with them, but old timey enough I will make up some nostalgia around it.

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I ll just leave this here....  This is a Smython.  S&W Model 19 with an amazing action that has had a 4" Colt Python barrel installed and expertly blended by Jim Clark's shop.  This is one of the finest revolvers I have ever had my hands on, and now own.  The 1 in 14 twist of the Python barrel was exceptionally accurate when combined with a well tuned Smith action.  The problem is they were expensive to do right,and very few gunsmiths had the skill to pull them off.  It looks fantastic in aN 80's Rogers Plaxaco Speed rig.

 

 

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"If I had a Grandpa, he would look like Delbert Belton"

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- Robert A. Heinlein

 

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I'm posting this here....well, because I want to and it involves revolvers and some DAMN FUCKING GOOD HISTORY!

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...-administration.html

 

Ronald Reagan carried a gun with him at all times and stashed it in his briefcase whilst he was away on official business.

An American author has claimed that the former president never left the White House without a .38 caliber pistol by his side.

He even took it on Air Force One in case a disturbance broke out in mid-air said Brad Meltzer, who writes political thrillers.


Armed: Author Brad Meltzer says Reagan took the gun even on board Air Force One. Above, stock image of a .38mm handgun
 

Meltzer did not specify when the President started carrying the firearm, though it could well have been after the attempt on his life.

On March 31 1989, just 69 days into his Presidency, Reagan and three others were shot by would-be assassin John Hinckley Jr.

James Brady, one of Reagan’s assistants, later died.

Reagan was the first serving president to survive an assassination attempt and, surprisingly, later endorsed a gun control law named after Brady.

In an article in the New York Daily News, Meltzer said that on a tour of the Secret Service headquarters whilst researching his latest book, he came across the actual car door from the limousine where Reagan was shot.

Meltzer wrote: ‘It was an eerie keepsake for sure.

‘But not nearly as eerie as the next detail they told me. We were talking about Reagan and that day he was shot.

‘Then one of the agents offered this secret: When Reagan was President, he carried his own gun. I couldn’t believe it.

‘It’s true,’ they said. A .38. Reagan used to hide it in his briefcase and take it on Air Force One.’

Meltzer added: ‘Whatever you think of Reagan, you have to admit, he had a black belt in badassery’.

The claims are all the more extraordinary as most Presidents do not even carry any money on them and rely on aides to pay for things.

Meltzer said that he contacted former President George H.W. Bush who said he was ‘impressed’ with the idea that Reagan carried a gun as he had ‘no idea’ about it.

His son George W. Bush did not carry a wallet but did carry around the NYPD badge of George Howard, a first responder who was killed on 9/11.

President Obama is more likely to have his Blackberry in his pocket than anything else, Meltzer added.

The photo shown is a stock photo and there is nothing in the article that states what make or model Pres. Reagan carried.  Guess that is something for the LF researchers to figure out.  Odds are, one of us has one.  I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the Colt pictured is a pretty viable choice, as are the S&W M36, M60, M49, M42.  Maybe even a 2" K-frame.  Colt Detective, Colt Agent.
 

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Originally Posted by nyeti:

I ll just leave this here....  This is a Smython.  S&W Model 19 with an amazing action that has had a 4" Colt Python barrel installed and expertly blended by Jim Clark's shop.  This is one of the finest revolvers I have ever had my hands on, and now own.  The 1 in 14 twist of the Python barrel was exceptionally accurate when combined with a well tuned Smith action.  The problem is they were expensive to do right,and very few gunsmiths had the skill to pull them off.  It looks fantastic in aN 80's Rogers Plaxaco Speed rig.

 

 

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This gun is beyond perfect. It has the best double action you've ever felt: not super light, but perfectly smooth throughout the trigger cocking stroke and the recovery.  Darryl scored big time on this one...

Who makes the grips?

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Craig Spegel Cocobolo.  Craig is not taking orders at this point, and you can no longer get Cocobolo.

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Originally Posted by nyeti:

So, as most know since I have finally really settled on the HK VP 9 and a J frame BUG as my everyday, normal boring carry package, I have focused hard on mass revolver accumulation out of sheer passion.  Lots of cool stuff with insane custom leather and plenty of nice grips.  Along with that, I have also grabbed two soul less revolvers (internal locks where there soul leaks out) that have become solid tools.  Both are performance center guns that were bought used.  Both can be replaced. Both have excellent triggers and high quality feel.
One is the gun I carry in the car as a counter car jack gun that is easily accessed and not on my body, and will also be my NY gun.  It is an 8 shot 627 with a 2 5/8" barrel.
The other is a 4" .44 Mag that is a great 4 legged critter outdoor carry gun.  It will likely get a red dot at some point.  For now, easy to carry well built .44 That I would rather get wet and muddy fishing than a classic blued model 29.

Essentially, one is an urban revolver and the other an outdoors revolver that are very modern and different from revolvers of our past (particularly Smith's).  Different lock up,hammers, small parts, barrel attachment and sights. Both are also essentially size and weight minimums for running with full house factory magnum ammunition without being horrifically painful. With that said, as much as they sort of offend my senses, they are a practical "pure tool" solution rather than an emotional solution.

 

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I know they "add weight" and the other ramblings I hear people state, but I love unfluted cylinders.  A 5" N frame would be a sweet critter gun too.   I killed my first deer (with a revolver) using a 6" 586 with some hot handloads a family friend set me up with.  I was 15 or so and it worked out well.  I too have a soul-less 4" N frame, .44 Mountain Gun.  I hate the lock but the 4" carries well and is more comfortable and easier to draw sitting in a stand or walking a firebreak than the longer barrels.  The Performance Center N frame in 44 mag is accurate and a nice piece of work but it's got a Leupold 2.5x mounted and really needs a chest bandoleer style rig to carry and use.  That ends up being pretty bulky for me so I'm thinking it needs some type of RDS. 

 

I am also considering a mini RDS on the 4" N frame 44.  I've enjoyed your pics!

 

*On those grips, ironwood or amboyna burl would look good too, maybe bocote or bois 'd arc.  I don't know if it's the same with gripmakers but I know if you have the wood, many duck call makers will use yours to turn a call for a small premium.  Some of the woods are hard to get due to scarcity or import but if you can locate the wood it might be worth asking.  African blackwood and cocobolo both seem to be on the "cannot get" list as stated.

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Originally Posted by Dorsai:

I'm posting this here....well, because I want to and it involves revolvers and some DAMN FUCKING GOOD HISTORY!

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...-administration.html

 

Meltzer did not specify when the President started carrying the firearm, though it could well have been after the attempt on his life.

On March 31 1989, just 69 days into his Presidency, Reagan and three others were shot by would-be assassin John Hinckley Jr.

James Brady, one of Reagan’s assistants, later died.

Reagan was the first serving president to survive an assassination attempt and, surprisingly, later endorsed a gun control law named after Brady.

In an article in the New York Daily News, Meltzer said that on a tour of the Secret Service headquarters whilst researching his latest book,

 

At the risk of appearing nit picky....this Meltzer needs to do more research.  Mr Reagan was not shot in 1989 and Brady did not die "shortly after".  Brady was around, IIRC, for several years in a wheelchair.  Basic mistakes like these call into question Meltzer's other claims.  Good story, though.  I like the idea of the Pres carrying (as long as he's a Republican).

 

On a side note, there's a new movie coming out about Elvis meeting Nixon where Kevin Spacey plays the Pres.  It's been done before in a TV movie called "Elvis and Nixon" from the early 90s. I mention it because Elvis was able to board planes etc between Memphis and DC carrying at least 2 guns.  The only time he surrendered them was to the Secret Service before meeting Nixon. The older film is on Youtube and has some amusing moments.  Dick Cavett narrates and there's cameos from some other personalities of the era (Wayne Newton, Graham Nash etc).

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C. Walley, that .38/44 HD is awesome.  What a great piece with some cool personal mojo with the officer's information.  I love it.  I am checking off a list at this point of very specific guns I want.  One of the last things is a Wolf & Klar .44 that is essentially the same gun in .44 Special.  Great pictures.

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Let those who love the LORD hate evil. The one who guards the lives of his godly ones will rescue them from the power of wicked people. Psalms 97:10 Trooper Troy Duncan-EOW 5-19-84 Deputy Erik Jon Telen-EOW 8-21-2001

 

 Walley,

 What can you tell us about it? How does it shoot? What do you use it for? Likes & dislikes?

 

Nyeti, 

 Love the Smython...

 How do you think it compares to a 586, figuring an equal action? Or say the 686SSR?

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I know exactly what you're talking about.  I call it my "grail gun list" although I assure you the list is not limited to just one gun.
 
Those Wolf & Klar S&W's are extremely cool!  I especially like the 3rd HE with the nickel finish.  Wolf & Klar could really "pimp" one out too if you so desired.  
 
FWIW, if you're ever on the S&W forums I go by LOBO on both of them.
 
 
Originally Posted by nyeti:

C. Walley, that .38/44 HD is awesome.  What a great piece with some cool personal mojo with the officer's information.  I love it.  I am checking off a list at this point of very specific guns I want.  One of the last things is a Wolf & Klar .44 that is essentially the same gun in .44 Special.  Great pictures.

 

Originally Posted by R.Moran:

 

 Walley,

 What can you tell us about it? How does it shoot? What do you use it for? Likes & dislikes?

 

Nyeti, 

 Love the Smython...

 How do you think it compares to a 586, figuring an equal action? Or say the 686SSR?

The Smython is a beast unto itself.  On paper, it is the old school hand built by a craftsman version of my 686SSR, that is essentially a machine built version.  the action on the Smython is beyond words good.  My SSR is really good just from shooting it.  Not as good as the Smython, but good.  The Smython should be disturbingly accurate.  The SSR is accurate enough.  The Smython cannot be recreated at this point.  You can buy an SSR out of a display case.  The gold line front sight on the Smython was custom made by Ted Yost (good luck getting one) and is amazing.  I got the red fiber optic front sight on my SSR ordering it off the internet and installed it myself in about two minutes.  I may shoot the Smython once just to do it,  I have not a single care about how many rounds I run through my SSR (which I shoot a lot).  Overall,the 686 is a logical choice.  The Smython is literally an emotional grail thing that simply makes sense in a totally different way.  The key is that the 686SSR is the evolution of the groundbreaking that the Smython did.

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Let those who love the LORD hate evil. The one who guards the lives of his godly ones will rescue them from the power of wicked people. Psalms 97:10 Trooper Troy Duncan-EOW 5-19-84 Deputy Erik Jon Telen-EOW 8-21-2001

 

 DB, 

 Thanks...I get all the nuances of the Smython. I guess what I was asking..is do you think Smith hit the mark with the 586/686, back "in the day", trying to build a factory smython?

 

One of aside, do you think if a good smith worked over an older 586 or say a newer one or the SSR, do you think they could be of equal performance? Or so close it would not make a difference in the real world?

 

 Walley,

 anything more?

 

 

 On another note, I've been rethinking my revolvers. I was contemplating all 3" Smiths, a J, K & L...now I'm starting to think that makes little real sence.

 

The 3" J, mine is a square butt,..can't conceal like a 2" RB, so I might as well have the 3" K frame.

 I think the 3" K frame is about perfect...wish it had adjustable sights.

 

I'm thinking a 4" barrel would be more appropriate for the the L.

 

Therefore one of my 3" K's is for sale, and the 3" J will probably follow. And an SSR or no lock 586 is on the list. If its an SSR, it will be for use much as Nyeti describes...but I don't shoot revolvers all that much..

 

 Oh, and maybe down the road a 5" N frame, in 45ACP

 

Thoughts?

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 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

On the money.  

J frames are generally a 2" ish gun.  (1 7/8- 2 1/8") for doing what they do best.  I am getting my girlfriend a 4" J frame .22......for reasons not applicable to most.  For most of use stick to the short barrels and they are great pocket and ankle back ups.

 

k frames-3" is about optimal

 

L's make sense as 4" 

 

while I have a ton of snub N's, the 4-6" guns are their happy place.

 

I believe the GP-100 is a far better way to go than the L frame for being a "real" .357 magnum gun for really shooting hi-performance .357.  

given a choice with an older L frame over the SSR, I like the SSR.  It honestly feels more like a K frame and has great balance.  I shoot it with .38.  In my Smith's, I move to N frames or Rugers.

 

I also am loving the 8 shot Performance Center N frame in several variants.  I have a 5" stainless competition type gun, a stainless snub, and the aluminum and Ti snub.  All are simply awesome.  the 8 round capacity and ability to use moon clips put them in a different league.  Keep in mind the 5" PC 627 was essentially banned from competition with rule changes made just for it......big hint that it is super bad ass.

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Let those who love the LORD hate evil. The one who guards the lives of his godly ones will rescue them from the power of wicked people. Psalms 97:10 Trooper Troy Duncan-EOW 5-19-84 Deputy Erik Jon Telen-EOW 8-21-2001

 

 Yup, there was a guy at the last gunshow who would be interested in the J frame.

 

 It's a neat little gun, would be a nice little camping or "kit" gun...go figure. I might just hold onto it for shits and giggles.

 I had a 442 and couldn't warm up to it.

 

Whether its an older 586 or the SSR, I'll likely never shoot a magnum out of it. Shit, I don't care for magnums in my two 357 long guns.

 

I'm thinking SSR for range and "training", and the M13 3" for "carry", and the neato factor.

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"Good landing, good fight, and good luck" James M. Gavin 09Jul43

 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

Originally Posted by R.Moran:

 

 

Whether its an older 586 or the SSR, I'll likely never shoot a magnum out of it. Shit, I don't care for magnums in my two 357 long guns.

 

I'm thinking SSR for range and "training", and the M13 3" for "carry", and the neato factor.

It is very hard to go wrong with a 3" Model 13 for a viable carry gun and the SSR for a solid do it all general purpose revolver.

"If I had a Grandpa, he would look like Delbert Belton"

Let those who love the LORD hate evil. The one who guards the lives of his godly ones will rescue them from the power of wicked people. Psalms 97:10 Trooper Troy Duncan-EOW 5-19-84 Deputy Erik Jon Telen-EOW 8-21-2001

It left S&W on the 18th of November 1949 with four compadres en route to the Idaho Hardware Co. in Boise, Idaho.  I sure would like to know if the other four guns were purchased by Caldwell, ID PD Officers. 
 
I have been researching Officer Hopkins since I obtained the gun, but I haven't been able to locate very much info to date.  This is all that I have found so far, but I'm still researching.  I really wish I could find a picture of him in uniform with the gun.
 

"Dura F. Hopkins"...

 

Dura F. Hopkins was born April 10, 1922 in Vernon County, Missouri. 

         

He enlisted in the Air Corps on 5 Sep 1942 - Jefferson Barracks, Missouri as a Private.         

 

He had 4 years of High School and civil occupation training as a tinsmith, coppersmith, and sheet metal worker.         

 

Occupation when he enlisted was as a delivery boy for Star Cleaners.  

 

Residence 1103 N. Clay, Vernon, Missouri.                   

 

Height 65", weight 158 lbs. 

 

He was single with no dependents when he enlisted.         

 

Died 29 Jan 1991, age 69; buried Boise, Ada County, Idaho 

 

So far I have found him & his parents in the Missouri 1930 and 1940 census.

 

I also found him, and his wife in the Caldwell, Idaho City Directory. This is how they are listed,

 

Caldwell, Idaho City Directory 1951 listed as Hopkins, Dura F. (Mary R.) City Policeman         

 

Caldwell, Idaho City Directory 1953 listed as Hopkins, Dura F. (Mary R.) Sgt. of Police         

 

Caldwell, Idaho City Directory 1955 listed as Hopkins, Dura F. (Mary R.) Sgt. Police Department

    
 
The action is in the "you have to feel it to believe it" class.  I wish everyone could see how well the right grip fits to the frame on this gun.  It tends to make one eve that Officer Hopkins was right handed.  He had to have spent a lot of time with the gun to get that right grip panel to mate with the frame as well as it does.  
 
I wish I could tell you how it shoots, but due to health constraints I haven't popped a primer with it yet.  I do however have some 158 gr LSWC's loads ready for when that day comes around.
 
 
Originally Posted by R.Moran:

 Walley,

 What can you tell us about it? How does it shoot? What do you use it for? Likes & dislikes?...............................................

I'm a big fan of the "Kit Guns".  My wife carries an older (flat-latch, diamond grip) Model 43 - 3.5" .22lr, while working around the farm.  That model has an aluminum frame and is very light.  I typically carry a 4" Model 63, stainless .22lr.

 

They are great for snakes.  You can still find them around but prices are getting high.

C. Walley, thank you for the background information.  Couple things of note.  It looks like Sgt. Dura Hopkins was a little "Pat" sized feller.  It makes those factory Magna grips with no adaptor make great sense.  That is a big gun for a warrior size guy.  Also interesting was it sure was a sign of a different time when you could be proudly listed in the local phone book as a "Sgt. Of Police".  Great gun, sounds like a wonderful "greatest generation" cop, and why I love guns like yours.  

If you ever want to part with it....it would have a good home in my vault of cop revolvers,

Thanks for sharing a piece of history.

"If I had a Grandpa, he would look like Delbert Belton"

Let those who love the LORD hate evil. The one who guards the lives of his godly ones will rescue them from the power of wicked people. Psalms 97:10 Trooper Troy Duncan-EOW 5-19-84 Deputy Erik Jon Telen-EOW 8-21-2001

Originally Posted by Buford Boone:

I'm a big fan of the "Kit Guns".  My wife carries an older (flat-latch, diamond grip) Model 43 - 3.5" .22lr, while working around the farm.  That model has an aluminum frame and is very light.  I typically carry a 4" Model 63, stainless .22lr.

 

They are great for snakes.  You can still find them around but prices are getting high.

 

 If mine was a .22, It would make a lot more sense...hell even one of those .32 H&R/Fed magnum things with 6 shots. The 3' J is a neat little gun, and I may hold on to it, but right now I'm not seeing a lot of use for it. I only bought it,  because it looked rough and got it cheap...soaked in some kroil and it cleaned up OK.

 

If you need a Galco for a that kit gun, let me know

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"Good landing, good fight, and good luck" James M. Gavin 09Jul43

 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

Caldwell is 40 something K population. Somebody at the historical society, the museum, local shooting club or the PD knows this guy or knows of him. That's a real treasure and worth looking into deeper.

 

Dave

"Keep that cheap, wail'n slut quiet!" A.J. Maggott

Originally Posted by nyeti:

C. Walley, thank you for the background information.  Couple things of note.  It looks like Sgt. Dura Hopkins was a little "Pat" sized feller.  It makes those factory Magna grips with no adaptor make great sense.  That is a big gun for a warrior size guy.  Also interesting was it sure was a sign of a different time when you could be proudly listed in the local phone book as a "Sgt. Of Police".  Great gun, sounds like a wonderful "greatest generation" cop, and why I love guns like yours.  

If you ever want to part with it....it would have a good home in my vault of cop revolvers,

Thanks for sharing a piece of history.

A local pawn/gun shop has an old Colt 38 with the local Cop's name and phone # one it. Finish isn't very good and I didn't look at it that closely. Asking price is less than $400. If you are interested I can go back and get a closer look.

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