Rimfire optics

Not your usual question for the long range face shooters in here, but I digress....

I love .22LR. Being a cheap bastard, I find that I can shoot way more with it, and practice a bunch of skillsets before extrapolating them to the larger caliber weapons I own.

So as such, can I get some recommendations for rimfire optics? I'm planning on using it on a CZ 455 varmint, with bipods attached. I'd like to max out the potential of the rifle and cartridge, so I can work on fine tuning the software part (me). It will also be used for a wife/new shooter/kid trainer and fun gun.

So my criteria (I think) is:
1. Enough magnification and good enough reticle to come close to maxing out the .22LR in this rifle
2. Easy for new shooters to pick up and use
3. I may be way off base here, but holdover lines? 50/75/100/150 lines? Seems extra. I'm well versed on the ACOG/RCO, so something similar to that would be nice (tell me if needed, with such a short range cartridge I really don't know)
4. Cheeeeap. I'd like it to be sub $200, and I'd be reaaaally happy around $150 or below. However I'm very familiar with "you get what you pay for".

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Was going to say the same. That thing is awsome for a .22


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First off, I'm on my phone, sitting at the bar, by myself on Valentines day, so this post may include sub par spelling and grammer.

Ok, so I have shot .22lr a lot. Mostly in smallbore silhouette matches. If you choose to go down the "precision 22" road, you can end up in a money pit quick. I have had probably 10+ .22 bolt guns in search of something better and I have yet to find the answer. The closest I have come to a perfect 22 bolt gun was a Anschutz 1710 in a Mark Pharr stock. I regret selling that rifle sometimes...

As far as the scope goes, get one with Target turrets for sure. 22 ammo is finicky as hell, and zero will change every time you swap to something else. Even the same exact ammo will shoot different from one lot to the next. So if you find ammo that shoots well in your gun, buy a case with the same lot number. This will get you the best and most consistent groups.

I say you should get a scope with turrets because the drop on a 22 is pretty significant at any range over 50 yards. If sighted in at the 50, a bullet may drop anywhere from 5 to 12 inches at 100 yards depending an the ammo. Depending on the scope, you could be making a full turn on your elevation before you hit 100 yards.

My advice is that if you are trying to keep costs down, get a BSA scope and try some CCI Standard Velocity ammo. That will get you started. If you want more accuracy after that, the sky is the limit.

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Totally right about the money pit. Mine is probably the deepest on the planet. When my 10/22 is done, I will have more than $2K into it. Volquarsten trigger mech, Tac Sol threaded barrel, Troy T22 chassis (awesome) custom Cerakoted FDE, Magpul PRS. Headspace/bolt grind as well.

Great advice w/ regard to ammo. .22 is as dirty and inconsistent as it gets.

The drop is also a big issue. I ended up going w/ a LaRue 20MOA rail setup on my 10/22 to buy me some elevation.

I haven't handled the BSA.

That being said, there are a ton of BSA vs. Mueller threads out there on other forums. Mueller is pretty much the unanimous opinion. Not much more money, either.
Ah to hell with anything that says bsa! Hell i have about 1300 in my 1022 and i shoot one inch spinner targets with it at 100yrds. And cci standard is the heat! For bulk ammo its great. Again that mueller i just how clear it is for the price.


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I merely suggested the BSA because it is a readily available and affordable scope. I can't comment on the Mueller because I have never handled one. I do know that the BSA scopes (at least the older ones) had pretty reliable windage and elevation adjustments. I had a BSA Platinum for a while while I was just getting my feet wet in silhouette. That scope lasted for a few years of matches, and I never had an issue. It always returned to zero and all my other settings. Are there better scopes out there in that price range? Sure. Just don't be afraid to buy a BSA to put on a .22.

But what you really need to do is to get a Sako Quad, buy a Lilja barrel for it, put it in a McMillan stock, and then put a Nightforce on top. Then only shoot Lapua X-Act through it. Big Grin

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I have a Cabela's Pine idge 2-10 on my 10/22 and it plenty of glass for the rifle. I don't shoot it much past 300 though, and I'm guessing at that range anyhow (all me, not the gun.) It's a duplex style scope. I've been on the fence about switching to mil dot type scopes (always shot duplex, all hunting, no mil experience). That Mueller might be a great way to ease in.

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I put a Nikon Buckmaster scope on my Remington 597. I love the side adjustment for parralax, and the target turrets are an absolute MUST-HAVE. The ammo selection really causes your POA/POI to jump around!

One recommendation I have to suggest is to use a set of BKL Technology's rings. These are, hands down, the best small-caliber rings I've ever seen. You can buy better rings, true, but they will cost you at least double what the BKL's cost. For the money, you get a great product made in the USA.

When reason fails...

On the BKL rings...

BKL was bought out by AirForce Airguns not to long ago. Since then, the quality of their product has slipped since then. I have only bought one set of rings from them since they got bought out and they were ok, but not as good quality as the older rings. Others have commented that they are having some QC issues. BKL still makes one of the best options for mounting a scope on an 11mm rail.

The best rings for a CZ are the CZ brand rings. They are good quality and rock solid. They also mate up to the flat top 11mm rail better than any other rings out there.

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You can find a used "Super Sniper" side-focus 10X fixed power scope for around $300-350 if you look long and hard enough. It is durable, consistent, clear, and repeatable. If it's your "All-purpose I shoot a brick-load every few months rifle" you can't go wrong.

A little higher than your comfortable price range, but something you won't regret buying, using, and perhaps passing to your kids or grandkids. You could also swap it to centerfire rifles, or trade it off or sell it if you find it doesn't do what you want.
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Originally posted by PDtoMD:
I absolutely love my Mueller APT on the 10/22.

Adjustments are rock solid.

Only negative is the lack of a side focus knob (it's on the front, which requires constant removal of the flip up lens cover).


Well based on everyone's recommendation of the APT I went ahead and bought one last night from Midway's website. I'll be putting it on my new Savage MkII FV-SR .22 bolt gun, which I have yet to fire. I'm really looking forward to getting it all together though, should be pretty badass especially with my SilencerCo Sparrow suppressor on there! Big Grin

S/F Paul

I use 50m for mine but I use almost strictly subsonic ammo.
I haven't shot it on paper in so long I can't remember what the holds actually are. In the field if I don't connect with shot 1 it's so damn quiet with the can that I get a chance to walk it in.
I've shot whistle pigs to about 150yds with it.

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I zeroed my APT at 50yds on my CZ 455 (thanks guys, seriously fuckin' awesome little gun!)

I was using full power ammo, and that baby was easily doing quarter or smaller sized 5 shot groups from the bipod.

I believe the manual says to do it at 50... But I could be incorrect.

 

 

 

 

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Originally posted by Chris19delta:
any chance of an update from guys who got the muller scopes? was looking at one of their "tactical" scopes for a savage mkii.


I've been rocking an APV on my 452 varmint for years without issue, except that I wish I had opted for the APT.

Also, spring and tube shim kits are about $15 for CZ rifles and really are awesome.
The Mueller is awesome. I'd highly recommend their rimfire line, the glass is really clear and mine sample feels very well built. If I picked it up off a bench, it would be tough to tell it is made for rimfire.

I don't think you'll be disappointed, especially at the prices they want. I'm very pleased with mine, after buying it based on recommendations here.

 

 

 

 

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Picked one of these up. Going on a CZ455 Varmint Evolution. I won't see either until I get home from deployment, and still I need to take a pair of calipers to it and the rifle to figure out rings.
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Where are the Muellers manufactured?

Keep an eye on the SWFA Sample list. I bought quite a few scopes from there. Most recently a Sightron fixed 24X for Anschutz, and a US made Burris rimfire 4-12X with A/O,for $160, need to send it in for Target turrets.

The Nikon ProStaff rimfire seem to be getting good reviews, there an AO model also.

Leupold has the 3-9EFR, a MK AR version is available from SWFA, and the VX2 6-18X is popular.

Bob

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Slight necro here. With the likely new magazine ban coming in MA, I'm leaning toward a lever .22, as the tube mag is one of the few exemptions in the legislation.

Any input on lever optics? Scope or red dot? Reasonably priced?

I know quality glass is critical on a serious gun, but I'm not planning on springing for an IOR or T1 like on my .308 and AR.

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Another necropost comment:
Besides the usual recommendation to beware inexpensive optics - think twice about Mueller. I had an APV on a 10/22 and it is the only scope I have ever bent. I take good care of my toys. One day it started shooting very, very low. I sent it back and was told that I'd bent the tube. When you read all of their printed material, they make mention in several places about checking the scope to make sure it is straight and that a bent tube is not covered by warranty. It sounds like they have some experience in this area. Just my 2¢.

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I'm leaning toward a lever .22, as the tube mag is one of the few exemptions


You may want to look at what you want to accomplish. If you need a lot of rounds on tap then GTG. If you are looking for pure accuracy (which seems to be the drift of the thread) then the lever gun may not be the best place to look. Supreme accuracy has never been their strong suit. If you are just busting sod poodles, then again GTG.
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Originally posted by Longeye:
You may want to look at what you want to accomplish.

It's kind of a hybrid need. I'm looking to make a "tactical lever" out of either my Marlin .44mag or .45-70, or maybe both. While reloads for the .44 aren't too expensive, the .45-70 is, so the .22 will fill the need for practice.

The irrational need is something I can own that holds more than 7 rounds Mad

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quote:
Originally posted by Longeye:
quote:
I'm leaning toward a lever .22, as the tube mag is one of the few exemptions


You may want to look at what you want to accomplish. If you need a lot of rounds on tap then GTG. If you are looking for pure accuracy (which seems to be the drift of the thread) then the lever gun may not be the best place to look. Supreme accuracy has never been their strong suit. If you are just busting sod poodles, then again GTG.


Marlin 39A I'd put in the very accurate category.

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I'm looking to make a "tactical lever" out of either my Marlin .44mag or .45-70, or maybe both.


Which is what exactly? Where does a obsolete design fit into so-called "tactical"?

Why not just admit you want it for fun or for a cabin gun? If it is one of those it probably doesn't need a .22 trainer to accompany it. We do not have to justify every firearm in our safe as "tactical"

There is not a lever gun on the planet that would fit into a solid 21st century "tactical top twenty" or even forty.

I suppose they would make a OK woods gun for stuffing in the backpack.

But a chopped Tikka T3 in .308 will fill the same niche and many others far better.
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Originally posted by Longeye:
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I'm looking to make a "tactical lever" out of either my Marlin .44mag or .45-70, or maybe both.


Which is what exactly? Where does a obsolete design fit into so-called "tactical"?

Why not just admit you want it for fun or for a cabin gun? If it is one of those it probably doesn't need a .22 trainer to accompany it. We do not have to justify every firearm in our safe as "tactical"

There is not a lever gun on the planet that would fit into a solid 21st century "tactical top twenty" or even forty.

I suppose they would make a OK woods gun for stuffing in the backpack.

But a chopped Tikka T3 in .308 will fill the same niche and many others far better.


I put tactical in quotes because of the word's overuse. Unfortunately, there is a real possibility that it may be my best option in the not so distant future. My ARs, as well as other battle platforms, may not be legal, affordable or able to be fed. Hell, we can't even buy a Colt SAA, so I need to plan for the worst, put together the best configuration, and train on it.

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