Rimfire Rigs

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Originally posted by DZhitshard:
Your right.
I've thought the "cheap sniper rifle" term was ghey from the first post but now I have the support I need it's GONE

I have to chuckle at the amount of cash some guys dump into dressing their meth head stripper rigs trying to make prom queens.
You can dump all the time & bling into her that you can swing & she's still nothing but a dirty , scabbed up, yellow toothed hooker who'll waste your time & burn your hope by getting you drunk & make you the crux of her soon to be released menstruating schiza video.

The CZ is an EXCELLENT value & good performer.
I haven't had any one hole 50m groups but it can definitely out run anything under $600.

$290 rifle
$90 cheap ass Barska
$25 mount
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minute of grass hopper @ 50m

Model 64 MPR Anschutz is another ball game but you can get 10 rounds in tiny ragged holes.

I have three CZs - the Lux, the Scout, and the FS.

Makes shooting fun again to see yourself rewarded for doing everything right.
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I own a CZ452 with a Still no.4 suppressor back home, LOVE THAT GUN.
Good choice Conndjc!

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My old Marlin 25N turned in extremely respectable groups for a iron-sighted bolt gun.

My current Taurus 62 carbine (Winchester gallery gun replica) is fun as hell to shoot, but it's no squirrel annihilator.

I can attest to the quality of build on the CZs. Just haven't shot one yet.

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We just bought the boy one of the 10/22 youth models (forget what they call it, shorter barrel, shorter stock, fiber optic front sight). We were looking at the CZ as I really wanted to get him a bolt-action but mags are $35 for 10 rounders and damn hard to find. Over the long term I just couldn't justify passing up on the 10/22. We hope to get him out for the first time with it this weekend.

Personally I'm waiting for either Spike's .22 AR uppers or the Tacsol to become readily available and see which one is more economically feasible. I already have a rail and iron sights for it as well as a lower and LPK.
Just to add another option to the rimfire thread: Spike's Tactical .22LR M4-style upper receiver [56K warning – pic heavy]
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the next rimfire piece I plan on getting will be one of the Tactical Solutions ar upper conversions. College students cant afford to be plinking .30 a round 5.56. there is a good write up HERE I talked to them at the shot show and their customer service is awesome. I have ordered a few of the tac light Ruger MkII uppers and they are awesome. I look forward to putting some rounds down range with the conversion upper.

Edit: I also found this pic from shot on another board
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Originally posted by victoriouslv:
the next rimfire piece I plan on getting will be one of the Tactical Solutions ar upper conversions. College students cant afford to be plinking .30 a round 5.56. there is a good write up HERE I talked to them at the shot show and their customer service is awesome. I have ordered a few of the tac light Ruger MkII uppers and they are awesome. I look forward to putting some rounds down range with the conversion upper.



Go with the .22 dedicated upper definately. I got a NM .22 upper that looks/feels like an A2, and shoots very well. I think it'll hold under an inch at 50yds. I use it to practice NM shooting since I'm also a broke college student. You'll wish you got it years ago with the $$ you'll save.

 

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Originally posted by MDB:
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Originally posted by victoriouslv:
the next rimfire piece I plan on getting will be one of the Tactical Solutions ar upper conversions. College students cant afford to be plinking .30 a round 5.56. there is a good write up HERE I talked to them at the shot show and their customer service is awesome. I have ordered a few of the tac light Ruger MkII uppers and they are awesome. I look forward to putting some rounds down range with the conversion upper.



Go with the .22 dedicated upper definately. I got a NM .22 upper that looks/feels like an A2, and shoots very well. I think it'll hold under an inch at 50yds. I use it to practice NM shooting since I'm also a broke college student. You'll wish you got it years ago with the
$$ you'll save.


well damn...wish i had know about it sooner..

guess i'll be jumping the bandwagon by christmas.
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Originally posted by MDB:
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Originally posted by victoriouslv:
the next rimfire piece I plan on getting will be one of the Tactical Solutions ar upper conversions. College students cant afford to be plinking .30 a round 5.56. there is a good write up HERE I talked to them at the shot show and their customer service is awesome. I have ordered a few of the tac light Ruger MkII uppers and they are awesome. I look forward to putting some rounds down range with the conversion upper.



Go with the .22 dedicated upper definately. I got a NM .22 upper that looks/feels like an A2, and shoots very well. I think it'll hold under an inch at 50yds. I use it to practice NM shooting since I'm also a broke college student. You'll wish you got it years ago with the $$ you'll save.


For sweet love of Christ I can't make a lot of sense out of your decision or recommendation other than a novelty.
Why would you put the same cash out for that as you would for a decent model gun like the CZ or Model 54/64 Anshutz?
Shooting an inch @ 50m isn't anything close to special unless you compare it to a 10/22.

From where I'm sitting the fundamentals of marksmanship don't change if your using a .22 AR clone or a Multi position rifle. The exception is that with the MPR rifles your rig can mechanically out shoot you.
Today I shot several groups from 1/2" to 3/8" using the same DM positions & techniques I used OCONUS.
I suppose a better way to put that would be, not from a bench rest.

If your using a Ciener kit to cut back on the $$ for building basics then I guess it would wash.
Investing that amount of cash in a trinket shaped like an AR in guise that it's assisting me in a chase for a Distinguished badge just seems like a misdirected effort.

YMMV.

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DZ,

I've got an Anshutz so that's no biggie, but I wanted something to replicate the feel of an AR but alot cheaper. I can't use my Anshutz or 10-22 to get the same feel I'll have when shooting my AR, hence the .22 upper. Sure, the fundamentals are all the same, but that doesn't mean I can take an SKS to practice HP shooting, does it? Before I even seriously shot HP I shot 2 years nothing but .22. Sure it's a little plinker at 50 yds, but it builds the fundamentals needed for NM competition.

I'm not well versed in target .22 costs, but I'm pretty sure a decent .22 rig like an Anshutz is alot more than the $250 or so I spent on my DPMS .22 upper (I think it's a DPMS). Then consider the ammo cost... I reload Sierra MK 77gr and it's expensive... but much worse if I bought them factory loaded like victoriouslv will probably have to. Plus I reload for the wife and the costs add up quick.

And there's no way I'm shooting .22LR thru my Krieger barrel with a conversion kit. Some say it's ok, but I don't want to worry about it.

I'm not sure exactly how accurate this thing is. You've motivated me to take it to the range today and test her out again. My 10-22 will shoot about an inch at 50 yds with cheap Remington Gold, so we'll see about the .22 upper.

So what's the deal here? All over the Stud board are splatterings of M4's with top of the line shit on them. Money spent just because, with no particular reason other than having the newest ubercool crap weighing down your rifle, that'll be out-of-date ubercool crap as soon as the next latest and greatest stuff comes out, then all that $$ finds it's way to the Swap Meet and the cycle continues. And you're gonna bust me out for trying to hook up a broke college kid who just wants a fun toy to learn?

 

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uber cool crap doesnt go out of date...

it becomes old school...

main reason why i wouldnt mind a rimfire downgrade to my AR is because it's a lot cheaper...

and in california, rifle ranges are hard to come by..

i wouldnt mind being able to just take my AR to any pistol range and plink whenever i get stressed out and all that business...

also, if i did my homework correctly- i recall that some rules don't apply if the rifle is a rimfire..(i'll have to check that first.)
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I can't use my Anshutz or 10-22 to get the same feel I'll have when shooting my AR, hence the .22 upper. Sure, the fundamentals are all the same, but that doesn't mean I can take an SKS to practice HP shooting, does it? Before I even seriously shot HP I shot 2 years nothing but .22. Sure it's a little plinker at 50 yds, but it builds the fundamentals needed for NM competition.


Your analogy of using an SKS to practice high power is about perfect in making my point. Unfortunately you fell into your own trap using your DPMS .22 upper to practice for NM shooting?
How's that work? How do you know your technique is throwing shots all over the paper or if it's the mechanical ability of the upper?
It's, IMO, a poor recommendation all around in the context that you used it. If you need to justify it in that manner to be happy with your purchase, more power to you.

IMO, anyone who is looking for some real proficiency gains would be much better served getting a rig capable of even a modicum of accuracy & practicing the real fundamentals of marksmanship. None of which are mastery of the bolt release & charging handle.
If your talking about practice in getting into position you can do that dry with your actual comp rig & gain a shit pot full more than half assing with a trinket (for that application) upper.

.22 uppers have their place. I never implied that they didn't. Kids, new shooters, less expensive fundementals of face shooting training etc.
I said that IMO, the justification you were using didn't seem to hold water.

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Ok I'm confused. I don't see what the big deal is. If broke ass college kid has an AR/M4 and can't afford to shoot it, what's it gonna hurt to go get a .22 upper? It'll be almost as cheap as a .22 rifle (10-22 around $200?), fit on his .223 lower, be easy to use, and look cool. So the question is... at what point are you beyond the basics and need something alittle more in line with the actual rifle you'll use during competition?

I bought my .22 upper for NM competition to save $$, which I have. It's worked well for me. If you want to practice with a stick shift, go buy a bolt gun and have at it. Sure the fundamentals are the same but after that there's a ton of differences between plinking with a bolt gun and shooting rapid fire NM. Is my .22 upper that accurate? No, but it's good enough to see if I'm screwing anything up.

About spending $$ on a gun... A fat ass I met at the range the other day had four of the most tricked out M4s I've ever seen to shoot "tactical" 3-gun stuff (if he didn't die of a heart attack first). Could I outshoot him with my NM M14 or AR-15? I dunno, but after seeing his 3" groups at 50yds I was not impressed. But he apparently thinks having tricked out guns weighing a ton are cool, so more power to him. Simple fact is he dropped a shit ton of money on crap he didn't need. He said the longest shots he'd make were 250 +/-m, yet he had ACOG's, BCIS, and that funky holosight at a 45 degree angle off the side, on free floated custom barrels.

So I'm saying that you can dump $ on crap that you don't need, I'm just trying to steer this kid in the right direction, hopefully he'll do his homework and pick something that's right for him and will help him out without breaking the bank. I don't see anything wrong with dropping a few bucks on a .22 upper that at least has the feel of what I'll be competing with. It's not a fix all, but it sure has helped this poor college kid.

Rifles are all about what you're going to do with them. Plinking tin cans like victoriouslv will probably do is a whole lot different that sniping squirrels with a super accurate bolt gun, which is what you're thinking he'll do.

 

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Originally posted by palakaboy:
also, if i did my homework correctly- i recall that some rules don't apply if the rifle is a rimfire..(i'll have to check that first.)


You are correct. Our idiotic AWB applies to center fire only.

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Broke college kids unite to save some green!
Its true I dont wish to stack bullets on top of each other, but 5.56 ammo is sky high so purchasing a .22 upper that is ONLY used for cheap lead this or that bargain ammo would save heaps when you are trying to work on fundamentals. Things like correction for sight hight, magazine changes (for time), and shooting and moving can all be done with a conversion set up and quite cheaper. Plus I seen nothing but bad things about anything labeled, stamped, engraved with the letters C.E.I.N.E.R.
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After returning from deployment I had a strange impulse to build a custom .22. About $1800 I ended up with this:





The EOTech has since gone elsewhere and is replaced by a Burris Fastfire... This thing is pretty accurate. At least, as accurate as a red-rot .22 can be...

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I just received my Spikes Tactical ST-22 dedicated 22LR AR15 upper. I wrote a full review entitled The ultimate range training tool . . . (which apparently was a bad title for a thread, since it's not getting all that much traffic).

In any event, I now have and M4-style upper that is 100% reliable, accepts all of the accessories that I would want to slap on it (when I can afford to), and will mate onto any of my lowers.

You absolutely CANNOT beat shooting a 22 that is designed to work on Wal-Mart's Federal Bulk Pack ammo and is the same manual-of-arms as your issued weapon (and home weapons). 10/22's and Remingtons are all great, but Spikes Tactical has found THE answer.

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I've heard of some good results by people cutting carbon fiber arrow shafts and putting them into the stock, then filling with epoxy or Acroglas.


Fill it with epoxy and micro ballons. It'll stiffen up nicely.

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Here are my two .22's

My Buckmark Carbine, the firearm I shoot most often. It's not a true tack driver, but its accurate enough for a fun day plinking in the woods. I probably have about 5,000 rounds through it, though I haven't kept track, with very few problems. The only problems I have encountered were of my own fault, or ammo problems. I rarely clean the gun, and that has caused it jam about twice. The biggest problem ive had is rounds not firing, just dude rounds, nothing to blame on this rifle. All in all its a quick handling, fast aiming, fun little carbine. I would recommend the Buckmark carbine to anyone, so long as they don't mind a max of 10rds capacity. The optic is a Bushnell Trophy I got at the gun show for cheap. It works great on the .22, but i wouldn't put it on anything bigger.


My other .22 is my great grandfather's Stevens Model 416 X-Barrel. Its a tack driver but I don't shoot it often. It is heavy and best suited to bench shooting, which I don't partake of often. However, because it belonged to my great-grandpa and then my grandpa, and now me, it is my most treasured firearm.

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dan187, my wife has a Browning Buckmark target pistol. I'm not sure of the specs but bull barrel with rail running the entire length of the top, match trigger, and it is a ton of fun to shoot (when she lets me). I've disassembled it twice in 4 years, and normally just put alittle lube on it, wipe it down, and it's good to go until next time out. Definately a fun gun

 

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The plinking rifle collection...


Remington 597, Mossberg Plinkster and first rifle ever an old Marlin tube fed

Even though i love getting out and shooting various little critters or just lighting up some cans by far the most fun i have with them is taking my little brother out and reminding him that he is a male regardless of what his hair would lead people to believe haha

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Alright guys, DICK'S has the OD green Remington 587's on sale this week (AUGUST 17-23) for the bargain price of $149 after a $20 refund by mail from Remington (you download the form from the Remington website). It comes with a 3-9x variable scope mounted and bore-sighted. You can get the specifics checking the "weekly circular" section on Dick's web site.

HH6 checked finances and gave me the go-ahead. I rambled over to Topeka and picked one up, it's a pretty nice rig. Son Nicholas has a new shooter, once dad gets done playing with it. We can even take it to the basement range in the Rec Center here in Liberal Loony Lawrence for weeknight shooting.

Thanks for the excellent thread, I'm already planning on pimping it up with some Uncle Mike's sling swivels and a short Harris bipod, some scope caps, etc.

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I have a Remmy 597 in .17hmr

It's the second one down from the top Big Grin Yes, the 10-22 is dusty, I have since cleaned it.



I really like the gun, but I've had some issues with it. Mainly the mags. If I recall, they are 8 round mags. If I put 8 rounds in them, they will almost always fail. If I put only 5 rounds in them, I only get a failure once or twice per about 5 mag loads.

I'm also not all that pleased with the stock. Feels VERY cheap and flimsy to me. I'm fairly certain there are better options out there and I think I will soon start researching.

When it does shoot, it's very accurate. I love the .17hmr round.
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Next post needs to be here Dave:

http://lightfighter.net/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5436084761/m/2031049741

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My rimfire rigs:



Ruger Charger with the Nordic AR1022 body kit. I may end up swapping it out for a 10/22 rifle though.

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GSG5. Tacticool MP5 look-alike that's worked well for me.

I also bought a ceiner kit for my AR. Haven't had time to try it out yet though.
While defiantly not on the level of the two blasters above here is my pint sized peashooter of a pistol



It was actually suprisingly accurate the first time i took it out

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Well, I'm finally done tinkering with my 597! It's been a tough row to hoe, but it was incredibly fun. All that's left is to remount the scope (I chose BKL Tech rings) and sight her in.

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Now:


I'm not liking the finished color of the paint, but I'm also not in too great a hurry to paint it again!

When reason fails...

i recently got a Smith and Wesson M&P 15-22 for christmas , i have only spent one day shooting it so far but it seems to run fairly well , though i have not been to impressed with the irons that came with its , they feel very cheap but i will be changing them out for a Cheap BSA stealth tactical red dot .
A few weeks ago I picked up a S&W AR-15-22 and so far I'm really liking it. Added an Aimpoint in a LaRue mount now I just need to add a VTAC sling to it. Also I think my daughter gets more trigger time with it than I do.

In the next day or so my Advanttage Arms G19 conversion kit should be here so the training should pick up for both of us.



She can also load her mags.

Ruger MKII heavily modded:

Middle is a Kimber .22

Old pic of my Spike's dedicated .22LR build, yes I know it's missing the buis and optic.

Top is the first rifle I bought at the ripe age of 12 with my paper route money(dad bought it with my money to make it legal) Bottom is a target Ruger 10/22 that can circumcize a knat at 100 yards.


.22 is a great round, doesn't intimidate noobs and you can shoot it all day long and the wallet doesn't hurt. Every one needs a few in their stable.

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My fiance just got one of those S&W M&P15-22s as well. Actually bought it yesterday to go shooting with it today. Very fun little gun to plink with.

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I've got a little Marlin I've shot the heck out of. Used it quite a bit to introduce new shooters to rifle shooting when I was part of a University Rifle club. After all the thousands and thousands of rounds that have been run thru it, the first part that broke was the magwell housing. Which I haven't been able to locate a replacement for. Frown

Need to get some pics of it some day.

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I have a Savage MKII with the heavy barrel, black laminate stock and a black barrel, accutrigger, and the scope that came with it in a package. Pretty good little rifle, accurate and fun. Need to do a few things to it, like paint it and free float the barrel. Also thinking about threading the barrel for a suppressor. Oh and a better scope is must. When I get back from the desert Ill post up some picks, but it is a great little rifle, think it was $229 with all of that.

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I was at the range the other week with my co-workers and we had our M-4s, several Bulgarian AKs (full-auto) and plenty of ammo but we ended up spending more time (and fun) shooting my 1950 CZ BRNO 22lr single-shot. I bought the rifle FTF at the last gunshow for just over $80.
After we sighted the rifle in with it's new front sight we spent the afternoon between classes having an informal contest of shooting empty shotgun shells off the rail-road ties at various ranges.
I LOVE 22s!!!! I have 3 CZs and several Marlins and love to kill commie squirles!!

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