Ruger Precision Rifle "RPR"

Saw a link pop up on these the other day. Hadn't heard about it previously.

 

Ruger's definitely not been drinking the old Bill Ruger koolaid for the last few years, and I didn't see this one coming.

 

I'm not a precision rifle guy, but it looks like they've definitely paid attention to what you guys want in a rifle, enough to where I wouldn't mind trying one out.

http://www.ruger.com/micros/rpr/index.html  and http://www.thefirearmblog.com/...-high-end-almost-ar/

 

Thoughts from you experienced guys?

 

 

The new "takes more than 1 mag type" magazine well looks interesting.

 

 

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Someone on the design team is a member at Snipers Hide and did their homework. The features are exceptionally well thought-out. Remington has their head too far up their ass to notice, but the other maker's should be shaking in their boots. If this rifle goes well, Ruger will have a huge success on their hand. 

 

This is less than half the cost of the precision rifle I've been pricing out. If the reviews are indicative and they perform just as well when they are distributed amongst gen pop, then I'm sold. As has been mentioned elsewhere, a ~$1000 precision rifle that can hang with the big dogs and whips their ass in terms of modularity is going to introduce some very profound changes to this market segment, and for the better. Every penny saved on the rifle can be put into a quality scope. The fact that it can accept four different magazine styles (and double column, double feed, too) is icing on an already enticing cake.

 

My only bitch thus far is that .260 Remington is not an option due to the availability of higher quality (Lapua) brass, but 6.5 Creedmoor is just as capable.

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If I remember right the .260 is .308 based so give them a little time.

I kind of figured this was going to do to the precision world what Kimber did to 1911s.

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Originally Posted by lew1zy:

...The fact that it can accept four different magazine styles (and double column, double feed, too) is icing on an already enticing cake...

 
I had read that, too, and wondered how they managed to engineer that type of compatibility.

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I've read quite a bit about this one, and it really is going to change the precision rifle landscape, in a good way.

 

Supposedly the rifle will have a street price of $1000, for any of the three versions. For that you will get a sub MOA rifle with integrated 20MOA base, that takes SR25 pattern magazines, can use almost all AR grips, stocks, and handguards, and has a barrel (low cost) that is easily replaceable by the user.

 

Think about that for a second, at least in its initial form, you can probably spend somewhere around $300 and have any number of calibers/barrel lengths based on a .308 case.

 

The barrel specs look good - while not stainless, it is 5R and hammer forged. Early released versions have been scarily accurate. Paired with an Burris XTRII or Vortex, and you just capably jumped into the long range game for less than $2,000.

 

Negatives are not using an AR pattern trigger, and a pull that only ranges from 2.5-5 lbs, but that was a trade off in order to have a modular magazine with incredible flexibility on magazine type. I am sure Bill Geissele will be along soon with an improved trigger.

 

It retains a lot of key AR features, so user maintenance and familiarity are going to get high marks.

 

Even assuming that this rifle has some undiscovered growing pains, everyone but AI is going to have to take notice and go back to the drawing board. 

This is going to be interesting. A major player like Ruger with a bolt action precision that reminds me of a AR-10 with mag choices, 20 MOA rail, supposed cheap,easily replaceable, accurate barrel at about a grand? And AR accessory friendly? I think I'm going to have to try one out when I get home.
Originally Posted by MrMurphy:
If I remember right the .260 is .308 based so give them a little time.

I kind of figured this was going to do to the precision world what Kimber did to 1911s.

And they're releasing a .308 version, so it would make good sense. In any case, it's just a barrel swap away, so it's not a huge issue. 

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I realize the ultra-adjustable buttstock is set up for precision rifle shooters, but this could be a good knock-around rifle too.  Replace that with a Magpul rifle stock and it would be very handy.   I'm feeling a stirring in my pants. 

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Wow. Even if that will only average 1 MOA, that is a lot of rifle for the money. 

 

If it shoots like they say it will, it's weight is reasonable, and it has long term durability... Game, set, Match! to Ruger

 

I did not see this coming but have been wishing that someone would start with a fresh sheet of paper like Ruger clearly did.

Originally Posted by Middlelength:

 

Negatives are not using an AR pattern trigger, and a pull that only ranges from 2.5-5 lbs, but that was a trade off in order to have a modular magazine with incredible flexibility on magazine type. I am sure Bill Geissele will be along soon with an improved trigger.

 

It retains a lot of key AR features, so user maintenance and familiarity are going to get high marks.

 

This is not an AR, although it superficially looks like one. That is good thing. It means you don't have to deal with the negatives of the AR trigger system, which exist even in a high end unit like a Geissele.

 

The Ruger trigger system was used because it was the best way to get from point A to B.

 

A 2.5 lb trigger release is plenty light enough if the trigger action is smooth and crisp. I don't worry about pull weight and haven't for years. The only reason it is used is because it is easy for laymen to quantify, and hard for companies to put a measurable glide factor on the trigger action.

 

I am unsure why they bothered to spend any time accommodating the legacy M-14 magazine or for that matter the sad sack AI mag.

Originally Posted by Longeye:
Originally Posted by Middlelength:

 

Negatives are not using an AR pattern trigger, and a pull that only ranges from 2.5-5 lbs, but that was a trade off in order to have a modular magazine with incredible flexibility on magazine type. I am sure Bill Geissele will be along soon with an improved trigger.

 

It retains a lot of key AR features, so user maintenance and familiarity are going to get high marks.

 

This is not an AR, although it superficially looks like one. That is good thing. It means you don't have to deal with the negatives of the AR trigger system, which exist even in a high end unit like a Geissele.

 

The Ruger trigger system was used because it was the best way to get from point A to B.

 

A 2.5 lb trigger release is plenty light enough if the trigger action is smooth and crisp. I don't worry about pull weight and haven't for years. The only reason it is used is because it is easy for laymen to quantify, and hard for companies to put a measurable glide factor on the trigger action.

 

I am unsure why they bothered to spend any time accommodating the legacy M-14 magazine or for that matter the sad sack AI mag.

All true. I look at it as a negative only from a commonality standpoint. The AR trigger simply wouldn't work in this system, but it would be great to know I could throw in any two stage I want to further customize.

 

As they release aftermarkets, I don't think this will matter much at all. The question is who is going to be the first one on this site to post a real review.

 

And the mags? Probably just to say they could. I'm not sure I understand either. Could be a desire to pull in customers already outfitted with AICS?

 

 I probably won't be the first to review this, but I am very interested in this rifle. It checks a lot of boxes and does it at price that even working class people can afford. It will make a neat truck gun.

 

I have been down the AICS road. I do not miss those problems at all. I think most AICS customer will be happy to trade mags at 3.5 to 1 for LR20's and get a mag that feeds reliably, retains rounds well, is compact, has very good (and common) mag pouch options and is less of a snag hazard.

Interesting concept.

 

I may have to get one in .243 Win... it has the right twist for Berger 105 Hybrids. At 22% of the price of my GAPs, it may be worth a look. Not expecting GAP accuracy, but it should be fun to play with.

 

Nice to see them thinking out of the box on this one.

 

 I just sold two bolt guns in 308, and really don't "need" another. But since when is need the deciding factor?

 It does look slick. If they sell one w/o the forearm, buttstock and pistol grip, I may be in for one.

 

Either way, it looks like a good entry rifle for those, that just wanna have a "sniper rifle" around. 

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Kudos to the guys that designed this.  I like the way various design features complemented each other.  Simplifying the recoil path by putting the stock in line with the receiver, bolt and barrel has been around with for decades with semi auto receivers, but the stock has always been attached to the lower receiver.  Nice that they combined a folding stock with the need to get it out of the way to retract the bolt.  Now the lower receiver is just a means to attach the trigger group and magazine.

 

It looks as thought they screwed a barrel extension onto the barrel.  The extension is held to the receiver by a bolt from underneath.  The bolt still locks into the receiver rather than the barrel extension so headspace won't be as easy to set.  It looks as though the barrel extension has to be locked into the receiver, bolt closed and the barrel screwed in until you get the right head space.  Then you can change barrels by just unlocking the barrel extension from the receiver. 

 

The lower receiver doesn't appear to be a particularly high stress component.  It's aluminum, but I wonder if it couldn't be polymer instead.  Hopefully the serial number is on the upper receiver.  There is great potential for a much lighter barrel and with a new bolt and lower, a caliber change to 5.56mm/7.62x39/.300 Blackout, etc.  It would be nice if you could get the weight down to 7-8lbs with a scope.

 

I think I'll be selling my Remington.

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I've been wanting to get into a 6.5cm for a while. The cost associated with building something like Ruger is offering factory has held me back. I will buy this rifle. The fact that if down the road I want to go back to 308 or to another caliber is awesome. The current rifles that allow me to do this are way out of my hobby long range shooting budget. This thing looks like win all the way around.

Originally Posted by Pesty0311:

I've been wanting to get into a 6.5cm for a while. The cost associated with building something like Ruger is offering factory has held me back. I will buy this rifle. The fact that if down the road I want to go back to 308 or to another caliber is awesome. The current rifles that allow me to do this are way out of my hobby long range shooting budget. This thing looks like win all the way around.

There is serious potential for reducing the bulk and weight on the lower, a simpler, lighter stock, lighter forearm, lighten the barrel and you've got a hell of a handy, accurate, simple, and should be, durable bolt action.  The 20moa rail is bolted to the receiver, so there could be options for a shorter range option with a level, uncanted rail.

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Originally Posted by Dorsai:

Kudos to the guys that designed this.  I like the way various design features complemented each other.  Simplifying the recoil path by putting the stock in line with the receiver, bolt and barrel has been around with for decades with semi auto receivers, but the stock has always been attached to the lower receiver.  Nice that they combined a folding stock with the need to get it out of the way to retract the bolt.  Now the lower receiver is just a means to attach the trigger group and magazine.

 

It looks as thought they screwed a barrel extension onto the barrel.  The extension is held to the receiver by a bolt from underneath.  The bolt still locks into the receiver rather than the barrel extension so headspace won't be as easy to set.  It looks as though the barrel extension has to be locked into the receiver, bolt closed and the barrel screwed in until you get the right head space.  Then you can change barrels by just unlocking the barrel extension from the receiver. 

 

The lower receiver doesn't appear to be a particularly high stress component.  It's aluminum, but I wonder if it couldn't be polymer instead.  Hopefully the serial number is on the upper receiver.  There is great potential for a much lighter barrel and with a new bolt and lower, a caliber change to 5.56mm/7.62x39/.300 Blackout, etc.  It would be nice if you could get the weight down to 7-8lbs with a scope.

 

I think I'll be selling my Remington.

Even better, the trigger group attaches to the upper, so the lower is basically just a magwell and attachment point for the safety and pistol grip.

Originally Posted by 4track:
Originally Posted by lew1zy:

...The fact that it can accept four different magazine styles (and double column, double feed, too) is icing on an already enticing cake...

 
I had read that, too, and wondered how they managed to engineer that type of compatibility.

My AI AX is backwards compatible with any past AI mag, either double or single stack. 

 

I didn't read which AI mag the RPR is compatible with as only the single stack AICS mag was pictured in the video, but I think the double stack AX mags allow the longest loading of a round. I can load my 260 Rems quiet long, which really allow me to take advantage of the cartridge. If you are stuck with an SR25 type mag you are better off with the 6.5 CM.

 

The RPR looks like the AIAX MC and a DPMS met in a truckstop and fornicated. It looks like it may have a 3 lug bold/60 deg throw like my AI. (in fact it looks like it borrowed a lot from the AI) I didn't read if it is switch barrel capable, but if not that will be a big gig given up to Savage for the lower end guns. You see a good number of Savage rifles in local comps from guys starting out. Coming from the factory with a threaded barrel. While that may seem nice, most precision rifle guys want the barrel threaded by a gunsmith who verifies the threads are concentric to the bore before shooting with a can. 

 

It looks like you should have no problem working the bolt without having to move your head or losing your cheekweld like I can with the AI, so that is a plus.

 

We'll just have to see how it shakes out. If you are going with a dedicated caliber (if it is not a SB gun) then I don't know. Lots of guys start out with 308 Win in PRS type matches, then after a few matches realize how much running a 6mm or 6.5mm helps boost you up in match rankings, then switch to another caliber over .308. I have a 16" 308 barrel for my AI as well as a 26" 260 Rem. The 260 is like shooting a 300 Win Mag w/o the recoil. Having run the shorter barrel 308 in matches for a while, then giving the 260 Rem a go, it was like cheating, especially past 700 yards.

 

That said, the 308 will make you a better shooter. I love the fact that guys like Joe Harris of the Mammoth Sniper Challenge try to limit calibers in their matches to mil/le calibers. Takes the equipment advantage away somewhat.

 

Reading on, I guess it is a switch barrel gun. 

 

As for weight, I'll bet with a Proof Research carbon fiber barrel it would be a light package.

 

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Barrel is indeed swap-able, not as fancy and fast as an AI but you don't need to send it out. I was looking at the Savage 6.5cm that goes for 1100 or so as its really the only option for a 6.5 gun. Other companies better look at what ruger is doing with this or they are going to be left way...way...behind.

Hmmmmm.  Want to try 6.5cm.  $5000 Surgeon Scalpel or $1000 Ruger.  Choice is pretty clear.  Yep, time to call Surgeon. (aww c'mon, you knew that was coming and actually I'm waiting for the LT Siete).

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Originally Posted by Pesty0311:

Other companies better look at what ruger is doing with this or they are going to be left way...way...behind.

This is very true. 

 

If Ruger compliments the rifle by getting out to the big and even local matches, making a strong presence known like how Bushnell, Vortex, and Thunderbeast, donating to the match prize pools and sponsoring shooters then they could very well kick ass and take names, especially with the lower budget side shooters.

 

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Originally Posted by Consigliere:

Hmmmmm.  Want to try 6.5cm.  $5000 Surgeon Scalpel or $1000 Ruger.  Choice is pretty clear.  Yep, time to call Surgeon. (aww c'mon, you knew that was coming and actually I'm waiting for the LT Siete).

Dude, if I was as Fly as you are, I would skip options A and B, going directly to C. An HK MSG6.5

 

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Frankly, if I see one in a gun shop, I'll likely buy it.  Just to see.  

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I may have to sell some of my collected bolt guns now

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Originally Posted by Dorsai:
Originally Posted by Pesty0311:

I've been wanting to get into a 6.5cm for a while. The cost associated with building something like Ruger is offering factory has held me back. I will buy this rifle. The fact that if down the road I want to go back to 308 or to another caliber is awesome. The current rifles that allow me to do this are way out of my hobby long range shooting budget. This thing looks like win all the way around.

There is serious potential for reducing the bulk and weight on the lower, a simpler, lighter stock, lighter forearm, lighten the barrel and you've got a hell of a handy, accurate, simple, and should be, durable bolt action.  The 20moa rail is bolted to the receiver, so there could be options for a shorter range option with a level, uncanted rail.

One of the reviews I came across mentioned the potential for  polymer and/or skeletonized lower halves, so someone else is thinking on the same plane. 

 

The thing that I find most striking about this rifle is that there is so much potential, both out-of-the-box and with regard to modularity. A very forward-thinking concept while keeping feet firmly planted.

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Ruger has been very innovative in the last few years.  A few stumbles, but they remind me of Magpul in this regard.  I'm waiting for them to start building AK's.

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Well I started looking last night and found the few on GB, but they were priced higher than retail. I called a local FFL and talked to a guy at work that has an FFL and gave them marching orders to find me one. 

 

A a lot of people on other forums are hung up about the trigger. When I started in the precision game a couple years ago I started with a 700 and upgraded piece by piece as funds allowed and one of my fist upgrades besides a McRee chasis was a Timney 510. It was a huge improvement over stock and one of the upgrades I recomend for 700 user, but proper technique and a whole other host of issues are more important in long range shooting. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems some are looking for an issue when they probably can't out shoot the stock rifle. 

 

I have an EAG night precesion course coming up at the end of August and I hope to have one of these rifles before that. If I can't get a 6.5 I will consider another calibe. 

 

I I was in the process of compiling parts for a 6.5 or a .260 build and had bought a few donor rifles to use. Will probably be selling those to fund this and a pile of ammo and reloading supplies instead. As Red Jacket Firearms says "it's a game changer"

LPD "People ask the difference between a leader and a boss. . . The leader works in the open, and the boss in covert. The leader leads, and the boss drives." - Theodore Roosevelt

Agree with you on the trigger and the rail should be able the be easily changed to whatever you want. 

 

I MAY have secured one in .243, but  won't know until tomorrow. If anyone wants a Remington PSS in 308 or a LTR barreled action in .223 I have them for sale. 

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Made the cover of American Rifleman.

 

They love every gun, but it did test extremely well in 6.5.

 

Wait until the initial release is over and the price settles down to actual msrp or better and I think this is a no-brainer for $1400.

 

I would buy one.

"A a lot of people on other forums are hung up about the trigger. When I started in the precision game a couple years ago I started with a 700 and upgraded piece by piece as funds allowed and one of my fist upgrades besides a McRee chasis was a Timney 510. It was a huge improvement over stock and one of the upgrades I recomend for 700 user, but proper technique and a whole other host of issues are more important in long range shooting. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems some are looking for an issue when they probably can't out shoot the stock rifle."

You're spot on.  Many who get hung upon these things aren't even regularly shooting out to 1,000 as a matter of routine.

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Originally Posted by jcustisredux:
...You're spot on.  Many who get hung upon these things aren't even regularly shooting out to 1,000 as a matter of routine.

My PSS has always been a 3/4 minute gun (nudging 1/4 moa with handloads), proven as I learned how to shoot better. But slowly getting a better trigger, better scopes, etc. etc. makes it easier for humans to get that accuracy out of it. 

 

Like everything, in every part of life, most people want the trick or magic pill for everything instead of learning techniques or god forbid: practicing. The RPR looks like it's damned good out of the box, but everyone has to find something to bitch about. 

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Originally Posted by R.Moran:

 

 It helps to practice with good kit to start with.

 

 I don't get the reverse elitism that goes on some places....better is fucking better.

God forbid we push our performance even further. By their logic, we should be using Mosin Nagants for precision rifle practice.

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There aren't enough oxygen bottles in the world for that....

 

 

 

Their Marksman trigger, for an 'out of the box adjustable' seems to be pretty decent. Far better than most factory 700 triggers I've tried.

 

All in all for a one-stop-shopping trip of a good precision bolt gun out of the box, I'd say they did very well. Geissele, Timney or someone else is probably already feverishly working to produce a better trigger for it. But realistically, maybe half of the users may ever need one. Can't fault Ruger with going with the "good enough for most" option to start.

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