Ruger Precision Rifle "RPR"

I just found out about these today at my local gun shop.  They got in two .308s that were already promised to folks and I was able to briefly examine one before it's new owner arrived. 

 

The trigger was much closer to 2.5 pounds than 5 out of the box.  I'm not a long range shooting guy but I have friends who are and I've shot their very expensive custom built rifles. The trigger isn't as good as one of those guns.  The RPR trigger has more take up and isn't as crisp as something like a high end custom bolt gun.  It is a hell of a lot better than the crap that Remington puts on the 700s and will work just fine for this rifles intended purpose and market demographic.  

 

The side folding stock and all of it's adjustment hardware seemed very well designed and sturdy while being easy to adjust.  The safety is located and works like a 45 degree AR safety.  It doesn't make much noise at all when manipulated. Everything about the rifle seemed very well thought out and located where it should be.  It felt solid and well made.

 

Retail at my favorite shop was $959 plus tax.   That seems like a heck of a deal for what you get IMHO.  Ruger is going to sell a ton of these things.  They are going to do to the entry level precision rifle market what they did to the pocket and compact pistol market. That is a good thing for consumers. 

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I just got back from a shop that had one, but was sold earlier today. It was in .243, but I was able to play with it. I have Timney 510's on two of my 700's and the trigger on the Ruger was not as nice, but I believe was better than the stock Remington offering. the options for adjustments on the stock are pretty good to. I was only able to play with it a little and dry fire a couple times with a snap cap. 

 

I saw someone on FB that got one and changed the stock to a Magpul PRS I think. Since you can change a lot of this rifle to your liking I think it checks a lot of boxes for a lot of people. Overheard some people in the shop repeating what they read on the Internet and I had to refrain from commeting. Ruger put this out in an attempt to get more people into shooting LR. LR shooting is expensive and turns a lot of people away. Some were saying with this rifle you would still be outshot by guys with custom rigs which I somewhat agree with, but again these were not top shooters to begin with. 

 

LPD "People ask the difference between a leader and a boss. . . The leader works in the open, and the boss in covert. The leader leads, and the boss drives." - Theodore Roosevelt

I have one on order in 6.5.

I went to my local range today and they had one in .243 up on the wall for sale. The salesgirl (who was hot as hell) asked me all kinds of questions about it - she said it was getting A LOT of attention.

It is heavy. I was in a busy shop so I did not shoulder it. The action seemed to be good - not tight but not loose. I do not know what the trigger was set at but it was fairly light and had a nice break to it. While overall it seemed to be well built but I did find an "issue".

The safety in it fit EXTREMELY loose and rattled around like crazy. Loose like someone grabbed the wrong drill bit loose. Did any of you guys that checked them out notice this too?

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The one I looked at had a "loose" safety but it didn't rattle when I shook it. One of the reviewers on SH said his was loose as well and he replaced it with a different AR safety and corrected the proble, but did not totally eliminate the issue. 

LPD "People ask the difference between a leader and a boss. . . The leader works in the open, and the boss in covert. The leader leads, and the boss drives." - Theodore Roosevelt

If you go to the Ruger website and look under the tab for "Challenge" there is a place where owners can upload pictures of there targets fired from the RPR.

LPD "People ask the difference between a leader and a boss. . . The leader works in the open, and the boss in covert. The leader leads, and the boss drives." - Theodore Roosevelt

Finally got to see one myself in .308 today.  I can pretty much get it for a few percent over cost if I want.  If you can forget Ruger's AW stance way back when, this is a very nice rifle for the $$$, especially when as many have mentioned getting into the long range game is second only to machine guns in cost.  I mean you can get the whole rifle for less than the cost of  DTA barrel for the SRS.

 

It is heavy but so what, it's not a running around gun for the most part although some may hunt or compete with it.  Most of these are going to be shot off a bench.  It's  modularity may let you get lighter barrels anyway if you like.

 

The trigger was light and decently crisp but not a Timney/Jewell.  Don't know what can be done to it, if anything.  The safety was loose now that you guys mention it.  I wasn't really paying attention.  The stock is nicely adjustable and seems pretty sturdy.  The bolt wasn't bad, not too slick but both the action and trigger were better than what Remington is chucking out these days,

 

If you haven't tried long distance shooting, this is a good way to get in without breaking the bank and if you end up not liking it, you're not in so deep that you will get crushed selling it.  For me, I want to try 6.5CM.  I have my eye on a Surgeon Scalpel like my .308.  It is five times the price of the Ruger.  Getting the RMR for $900 let's me try the caliber without having to worry about bailing out and selling a $4000 rifle.  Hopefully it comes in soon.

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I saw this rifle last week on Snipershide.  Frank did a review over there and seemed to really like it.  For anyone who doesn't know Frank, he doesn’t do fluff reviews, and will tell you if a product is crap.   

 

I already have a couple rifle projects taking up my time this summer, but once the initial frenzy dies down and online prices drop from MSRP I am going to pick up a 6.5CM.  I also want to see some more accuracy reports, and see if Ruger has any teething issues.

 

Things I really love so far:

-Magazine compatibility:  I have a box of PMAGs that run my AR10 rifles with.  Being able to use them is awesome.  Dropping 80 bucks on an AI magazine is not.

-AR compatible rails and “Armorer change barrels”: I’m really hoping some high end smiths make compatible barrels that are plug in play (minus head spacing).

-AR pistol grip, rear stock and safety:  Being able to customize the rifle similarly to current ARs in the gun safe is a huge plus for me. 

-Price: A sub 1K rifle, that already has a magazine and chassis system, and shoots sub ¾” MOA is a good deal, and will bring a lot of new shooters into the PRS world. 

-Competition: Hopefully this urges Remington to get off their butts and make an affordable PRS rifle. 

-Threaded and ready for a suppressor…. Friends don’t let friends shoot unsuppressed.

-Weight, IMHO the weight is fine.  heavy enough for a good precision rifle, and still light enough for backpacking. 

-Folding stock for portability

 

Things I don’t love:

-I was hoping the 308 barrel would have a faster twist then 1/10”.

-I wish the 6.5CM barrel was 26”.

-I perfer M-LOK, but keymod is atleast better then full 1913 rails. 

-Aftermarket trigger options

-bolt capture folding stock (obviously wouldn't work with how the bolt is removed).

 

If reviews are good, I will definitely be picking up a 6.5CM, and once that barrel is toast, I will probably rebarrel it with a fast twist 308 barrel, and then buy another 6.5CM rifle.   

A thought just occurred to me.

 

The action is the Ruger American rifle action.  The 3-lug bolt is what makes it feasible to use the Pmag/SR25 magazine.  One of the complaints about the Ruger GSR (mine and others) is the single column magazine.  It occurs to might it wouldn't take a lot of work to adapt the conventional American rifle to use Pmags as well. 

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"I have my eye on a Surgeon Scalpel like my .308."

 

If I had a Surgeon Scalpel in .308 and I wanted to explore the 6.5 world in the most economical way, I'd simply have them make me a .260 barrel for my current rifle.

 

I have a Surgeon with two bolts and two barrels.  I had them cerakote the 5.56 bolt/barrel black and the .308 stuff in OD Green.  I can change calibers with minimal or no tools.

Originally Posted by Consigliere:

I can pretty much get it for a few percent over cost if I want.  If you can forget Ruger's AW stance way back when, this is a very nice rifle for the $$$, 

Bill's dead and long gone, as evidenced plainly by the very fact that this rifle ever came to light.

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Originally Posted by lew1zy:
Originally Posted by Consigliere:

I can pretty much get it for a few percent over cost if I want.  If you can forget Ruger's AW stance way back when, this is a very nice rifle for the $$$, 

Bill's dead and long gone, as evidenced plainly by the very fact that this rifle ever came to light.

Like I said, if you can get over it.  You have.  Here's a cookie.

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Originally Posted by Buford Boone:

"I have my eye on a Surgeon Scalpel like my .308."

 

If I had a Surgeon Scalpel in .308 and I wanted to explore the 6.5 world in the most economical way, I'd simply have them make me a .260 barrel for my current rifle.

 

I have a Surgeon with two bolts and two barrels.  I had them cerakote the 5.56 bolt/barrel black and the .308 stuff in OD Green.  I can change calibers with minimal or no tools.

Well, that's why you get the big bucks.  Never thought of that.  Thank you Sir!

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I don't have a specific scope recommendation, but I'd venture to suggest that those who had already budgeted a certain amount for a rifle and glass, this is an opportunity to put those savings from the rifle int glass you thought was out of your budget range.

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Originally Posted by Dorsai:
I don't have a specific scope recommendation, but I'd venture to suggest that those who had already budgeted a certain amount for a rifle and glass, this is an opportunity to put those savings from the rifle int glass you thought was out of your budget range.

^^^^^ This

 

Money spent on quality glass is money well spent. Roll the savings on the rifle into the scope fund. Don't think you have the budget for good glass? Then save some more. You will be happier in the long run.

 

 Me and my good friend Dan slightly differ in out opinion on the scopes.

 

 No doubt, if you can make the stretch, good glass is good glass. But for some, that's just not in the cards. You can see the various threads on budget rifles here and on other forums.

 

I would much rather see someone buy this rifle, and say, a Vortex HS-T and a case of Fed GMM and start shooting and enjoying the gun and sport, then trying to save for a Premier Heritage.

 

All depends on your budget and proposed use. If buying the Ruger cuts less into your projected budget, then by all means buy better glass, ....or more ammo.

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Originally Posted by R.Moran:

 

 Me and my good friend Dan slightly differ in out opinion on the scopes.

 

 No doubt, if you can make the stretch, good glass is good glass. But for some, that's just not in the cards. You can see the various threads on budget rifles here and on other forums.

 

I would much rather see someone buy this rifle, and say, a Vortex HS-T and a case of Fed GMM and start shooting and enjoying the gun and sport, then trying to save for a Premier Heritage.

 

All depends on your budget and proposed use. If buying the Ruger cuts less into your projected budget, then by all means buy better glass, ....or more ammo.

IMHO the Burris XTR II's with the SCR MIL reticle and 10 mil/turn knobs are a fantastic value and match up nicely to the Ruger's capabilities and price point. I have the 4-20 and am very happy with it. Frank Galli on Sniper's Hide used one in his review of the Ruger and has nothing but good things to say about the scope.

 

The glass is not S&B or Tangent Theta quality, but then again you're not going to use the scope to differentiate plumage on a woodpecker at 500 yards... The Burris scopes track accurately, have very useful reticles, and provide a "good enough" sight image to get the job done at 1000 yards. And with the current $100 rebate or a free set of rings, Burris is giving you a heck of a lot of value.

When I refer to good glass, it don't only refer to Premier/TT/S&B.

 

The Bushnell Elite Tactical Series scopes are very well represented in the Precision Rifle Series... feature packed with very good glass for a reasonable price. The First Generation Steiner Military scopes are very good as well...although large for the magnification.

 

You can also save some coin by finding one used. If you qualify for MIL/LE discounts or forum membership discounts, the price becomes more reasonable.

I have become a big fan of the Vortex line of products. LE/MIL discounts make them more attractive. I have one of these Ruger's in 6.5 on order, have no ETA, and plan to put a Vortex of some flavor on it. This will allow me to use the money I have been saving for a custom rifle to instead buy the Ruger and Vortex, ammo, another PR class, and maybe some reloading supplies.

 

The Bushnell Elite Tactical line is also a very nice option. I recently bought a slightly used model and I'm very happy.

 

  

 

 

LPD "People ask the difference between a leader and a boss. . . The leader works in the open, and the boss in covert. The leader leads, and the boss drives." - Theodore Roosevelt

http://precisionrifleblog.com/...est-results-summary/

 

This is a question that comes up a lot, and it is worth repeating the link above and recommend reading it. It is one of the best, most comprehensive reviews of tactical scopes so far.

 

Long range shooting is impossible without good glass, but can be done without going bankrupt.

 

Vortex, Bushnell, Burris all have offerings that will get you in the game.

 

It bears repeating; get .1 mil turrets with a reticle subtended in mils. Even if you don't understand why now, when you get training it will.

 

 This is an ongoing discussion in just about every flavor of shooting, probably most things in life.....

 Another friend of mine started shooting rimfire silhouette as a kid with a BSA scope & CCI SV ammo...forget what basic bolt gun he used.

 Now he shoots with a Custom stocked Annie and Leupold.

 

Go to a Bullseye forum and some of the sniper type forums...and you'll see comments about "this is an expensive sport, if you can't afford it don't bother"..etc.

 

 Will a $3K bullseye gun be more competitive, absolutely.....but if a shooter can't afford that, or is unwilling to try a sport at that price, should he just be turned away from the country club?

 A lightly tuned Springfield RO for about $1K may allow you to start shooting. Once you start showing up to the range or matches, people will almost always help you out, show you what works for them, loan you gear, offer to sell you guns and optics they may have moved on from.

 

I think this Ruger may go a long ways to getting more people into the long range game.

 A lot of guys would ask me about a "sniper" rifle...and set a limit of about $1K....when I get finished laughing, I try to explain to them the difficulty in that. Work out some pricing to get  them in at budget. I explain what they are giving up at that price point, most forget about it and buy another big screen or jet ski. 

 

 Now if, I can say, ya know what, stretch that by a few hundred, and you can have a very capable rifle, with an OKish scope, that is much simpler to upgrade then a new gun..I might be able to convince people to join the ranks of precision shooters....hell, maybe I'll join them.

 

I use a similar approach when I'm asked about an AR or carry gun. 

 

I don't play the "just as good as" game, I am may play the "good enough for now" game.

 

I see it all the time, the price of what most here would call a middle of the road scope, floors people. A lot insist its just the name, blah blah blah, some accept that they are great scopes, but just won't make the stretch, and some will.

 

 Me, I'd rather have a complete gun, I can shoot now, then a pile of saved money that I can't do anything with.....I mean what if the zombies come?

 

Do I go for the cheap skank I can afford, or save for the high class escort?

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I'm using super snipers right now. They are good scopes for the money. The bushnell seems to be great for what it costs. Now I'm unsure about the nightforce. I'd almost rather spend the money on good glass now and upgrade the rifle when and if I ever need to. But I'm asking myself do I need the nf....don't think I do. First world problems.
Originally Posted by The Rat:

This rifle looks extremely well-executed, and for a good price. I find myself wanting one, but also realize that it would be completely redundant with my LMT308 setup.

I was thinking along your lines.  It seems pretty impressive for what you pay...and I think it will turn out to be exactly that.  Someone will make some different barrel choices and it looks like Ruger has a hit.

 

After consulting with some SME's (and thank you very much) I decided to rebarrel my Scalpel in .260 Remington.  When I took a step back from the "Ooooo...something shiny" initial impression that so many of us do here (like moi), I remembered that 90% of my .308 shooting is done with my old 16" LT OBR.  Mine...and God bless Mark...is a freaking hammer.  Anything that someone like me is trying to hit with a .308, especially at the ranges available here in The Land that God Forsook, can be done with the OBR.

 

The Surgeon is just too nice to let languish since I really love using it.  Having a nice long range available in NY is right up the .260's alley.  (My Scalpel's current .308 barrel is only 18.5".  Perfect for CT, not so much for the distances I can use in NY).  Since I'm a  "shoot steel, not groups" kind of guy, the .260 makes sense and is easier on my piggy bank and body than lobbing .338LM/.408CT rounds down range for a session.

 

So I'm waiting for Surgeon to get back to me on a 26", fluted, 1/8 or quicker RH twist barrel with a legacy SF 7.62 SS MB on it so I can use my can.  My brother of all people might get the Ruger.  If he does, I'd like to see it side by side with my rifle.  I bet it would fare pretty well.

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Originally Posted by The Rat:

This rifle looks extremely well-executed, and for a good price. I find myself wanting one, but also realize that it would be completely redundant with my LMT308 setup.

I'm having  the same problem.  I also see redundancy with my LMT308 setup.  The LMT was the last rifle that knock me off by feet when it first came out and is still high on my best rifle list.

 

Originally Posted by The Rat:

This rifle looks extremely well-executed, and for a good price. I find myself wanting one, but also realize that it would be completely redundant with my LMT308 setup.

 

Originally Posted by pbjb:
Originally Posted by The Rat:

This rifle looks extremely well-executed, and for a good price. I find myself wanting one, but also realize that it would be completely redundant with my LMT308 setup.

I'm having  the same problem.  I also see redundancy with my LMT308 setup.  The LMT was the last rifle that knock me off by feet when it first came out and is still high on my best rifle list.

 

 

I too have an LMT (20" SS Match in 6.5CM, 18" SS Match in 308, and a 14.5" CL in 308).  I only have 42 rounds down my 6.5 CM barrel, but with just basic reloads (book data for 142 SMK) the rifle is shooting sub ¾” 5 shot groups at 100 yards.

 

I see the redundancy, but will definitely be picking one of these up as soon as the market prices go back to retail, and not full blown MSRP.  I feel it will be a great training tool for the wife, son, and other family members that want to get into PRS competitions or just shoot some steel at distance.  Obviously AR rifles are harder to master, so I will set up the “RPR” ergonomics to an almost identical replica to my LMT… hopefully that will be a good starting point for them, before tackling

 

I’m also hoping barrels will be cheaper to replace instead of LMT’s $600+ SS match barrels…. I’m just happy I didn’t start my REM 700 6.5CM build yet!

On another forum there is a guy who has already had his re-barreled by Hawk Hill rifles. I have no idea the cost. 

 

There is a website deguns.net that is selling the 6.5cm version for $1,199.00 for the month of August. Says they have 80 in stock when I checked, but I have no idea of there actual in stock count. Gunbroker is full of them for inflated prices. 

 

Im interesTed to see if/when these rifles show up in competitions and how they do. I'm sure some are out there, but I have not read any accounts. 

LPD "People ask the difference between a leader and a boss. . . The leader works in the open, and the boss in covert. The leader leads, and the boss drives." - Theodore Roosevelt

Originally Posted by lpd5408:

On another forum there is a guy who has already had his re-barreled by Hawk Hill rifles. I have no idea the cost. 

 

There is a website deguns.net that is selling the 6.5cm version for $1,199.00 for the month of August. Says they have 80 in stock when I checked, but I have no idea of there actual in stock count. Gunbroker is full of them for inflated prices. 

 

Im interesTed to see if/when these rifles show up in competitions and how they do. I'm sure some are out there, but I have not read any accounts. 

 

That's good news regarding Hawk Hill.  I have a buddy that had a 338 Norma built by them, and he loves it.  Coudl you PM me the link to the site?


Thanks for the deguns link.  It's tempting, but after hearing of guys buying them online for $950.00 I'll probably just wait until the hype/demand drops off. Some of the Gunbroker prices are crazy.  I saw some sell for over $1,500.... for that price I could buy a RPR and a G19!

 

 

 

I have considered/wanted to get a precision rifle for a while. This seems like it would be a great starting point. However, I would be more interested if the rifle didn't have ruger stamped, engraved, molded or written on every part. Seems just weird to me. Am I the only one? Maybe it's just my ocd.
Originally Posted by domestique:
Thanks for the deguns link.  It's tempting, but after hearing of guys buying them online for $950.00 I'll probably just wait until the hype/demand drops off. Some of the Gunbroker prices are crazy.  I saw some sell for over $1,500.... for that price I could buy a RPR and a G19!

Deguns.net is out...  Which tells me there's a metric shit ton of them out on the street.  Maybe by Christmas the prices will be more palatable.

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Curse my lack of research.....had a 700LTR on layaway, paid it off riiiiight about the time I heard about the RPR. The Ruger looks like a much better fit for what I wanna do. Scheisse.

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Originally Posted by Longeye:

Here is a good article with disassembled pictures and intelligent commentary:

http://www.realguns.com/articles/726.htm

It is refreshing to see a well done gun review like this one.

Great article, thanks for posting that (but of course now I 'need' one)

I really like what looks to be a quick change barrel, or at least somewhat fast change barrel. It looks like a lot of thought went into the features. I look forward to the reviews once they fall into LF's hands.

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At this point it looks like this rifle will be amazingly popular and bring a lot of other firearms companies in line.

 

The customers are asking for parts and magazine commonality between platforms, common controls, and barrels that are easy to swap and rebarrel. Ruger put all of that in one rifle. Its amazing that this paired with a Burris XTRII or Vortex suddenly lets you be competitive at the long distance game for 1/3 of what it used to cost. That and the twist rates of the barrels are already set for this kind of shooting.

 

I just have to decide between .243 or 6.5... And maybe soon I can just get one, drop $400 and have barrels for the other two.

I have one in 6.5 on layaway, a G19 Gen 4 and that are my first purchase's when I roll in town on sunday.

 

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For those interested:

 

An RPR, chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor, is on the cover of the October 2015 S.W.A.T Magazine, with a nice feature article on it, by Robbie Barrkman.

 

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According to the post on The Site That Shall Not Be Named, that is exactly the case.  The 6.5 is a run away freight train right now.

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