Ruger Precision Rifle "RPR"

Originally Posted by Buford Boone:

"I have my eye on a Surgeon Scalpel like my .308."

 

If I had a Surgeon Scalpel in .308 and I wanted to explore the 6.5 world in the most economical way, I'd simply have them make me a .260 barrel for my current rifle.

 

I have a Surgeon with two bolts and two barrels.  I had them cerakote the 5.56 bolt/barrel black and the .308 stuff in OD Green.  I can change calibers with minimal or no tools.

^ This. 

 

To be honest I would just roll on down this route. You will love the 6.5 CM. I do not know anyone other than pure traditionalist who shoots a 6.5mm of any flavor and turns back to the .308. Granted there are many reasons to go with a .308, but pure shooting and ballistics wise the 6.5mm wins.

 

You owning a rifle that could easily be swapped to 6.5CM I would definitely go that route. Or sell the Scalpel and buy an AXMC and pack it into a brief case. This thing was damn near built for Court days.

 

 

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Sure,

 

The rifle is topped with a Burris MTAC 4.5 X 14 on Burris high mount rings; this was originally on my LMT 308.  Switch over pretty well. 

The 20 MOA rail cause me to bring the scope down by about 30 clicks to start.

 

I shot with Federal XM80CL 149 grain FMJ, German military ammo; I believe its 149  grain FMJ and Wolf 145 grain FMJ.

 

I shot the Federal the best with Wolf following.  The German ammo opened up, not sure if it was ammo or me.  I will have to try it again.

 

I used both Pmags and AI mags.  The AI’s are the same ones I use in my Ruger scout rifle

 

Sorry no pictures of targets.  I would be guessing the shoot group sizes, next time out I will mesure the shoot groups.

 

The rifle if very comfortable to shoot, I have a PWS break on it.  The stock adjusted well, it was just different.  I never used an adjustable stock before.  I used a Harris bipod.

 

It is a fun rifle to shoot, I’m glad I got it and I have no complaints.

 

Let me know if you have and questions. 

Newbie question here - I just got my RPR in 6.5. I can get one of these for $849 open box -

http://www.vortexoptics.com/pr...mrad-reticle/reticle

I have never done any precision shooting. I want glass that is not garbage but I am not looking to spend fat stacks right now. Is the above glass for that price a good choice?

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EzGoingKev posted:

Newbie question here - I just got my RPR in 6.5. I can get one of these for $849 open box -

http://www.vortexoptics.com/pr...mrad-reticle/reticle

I have never done any precision shooting. I want glass that is not garbage but I am not looking to spend fat stacks right now. Is the above glass for that price a good choice?

I don't know how much time you have on your hands but if you shop around and or are willing to buy used look for a bushnell DMR.  I have both vortex PST and the DMR and the DMR is better glass and range of magnification. The pst wins if you need illumination or can get mil/le pricing otherwise go DMR.  I picked my DMR up for $850 +shipping . Now back to your regularly scheduled program......

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This is why LE in some areas would be better served with belt fed weapons and flame throwers...

       

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PRB did do a great review, more  honest than most I've seen. One big point that struck me as a major disappointment was the handguard shift off center. Pretty sure we wouldn't accept that from a similarly priced platform, having to drop another 150-180 to replace it with a Midwest or Seekins forend is just that much less available for glass or what not. Add to the stock wobble that developed in that authors rifle makes me leary. Yeah yeah yeah, its an entry level platform but daaa-um, seems to me to be moderate flaws that could be fairly easily resolved by Ruger. 

I'm thinking I'll give it another year and see what comes, especially if they roll out a .338 itteration and th e chassis beef up they'll have to apply to support .338. Might induce the fixes needed for the current itteration. 

Still, this is the first "affordable" bolt gun platform  I've seen in the last 10 years that has the bolt gun itch flaring up to nearly irresistible levels. Might be the right stepping off point before I jump on the Desert Tactical band wagon. 

No experience on the RPR but: 

After some investigation, I noticed the machining was very rough on the cam’s locking collar, and it appeared friction from that rough spot had frozen it in in place. A drop of gun grease solved this issue, and allowed it move freely.

90% of the mechanical things I own (guns or otherwise) are  like this. Almost everything can use a little more lube, so a new device like this I'd have pulled apart and oiled or greased up before even using it. So I blame Ruger for this no more than everyone. 

(8% of the mechanical items I have come with too much or the wrong lubricant on them.) 

 

My PSS still wears the factory stock and it's significantly left of center to the barrel. It doesn't contact, so no issues (and mine is close to 0.25 MOA at best). I am trying to figure out the mechanism of failure for the forearm in the review. Just being off center doesn't seem like it should do this, so it's a symptom of something else? 

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I don't claim to be an expert in this field so, take my likes and dislikes in their context.  I still like the RPR and intend to get one.  I don't like the buttstock and never have.  Yes, it appears easily adjustable and that's good.  But everything is hanging out in the open, subject to dust, impact, snagging, etc.  In short, it appears good for the bench to me, but not so much if you are going out in the dirt.  We had one in the store recently that I missed out on.  Too slow, not enough spare $$ at the time.  It had a Magpul PRS stock.  .308.  Everyone talks great stuff about the 6.5, but I don't have a ready source for the ammo and I don't handload it.  Is it available commercially?

The looseness of the folding stock doesn't sound good, but what the blog didn't say was how often the stock was folded.  If it was folded on a frequent basis, I could see friction causing it and one might have to consider whether you need to fold it as much...while waiting for the fix/upgrade.  If the play developed just from shooting the rifle without frequent folding, that's a more significant issue to me, and one that should have been caught before releasing the rifle for sale.  I'll keep an eye out for more reviews and see if it crops up elsewhere.

I have never looked at the handguard for off center and flex.  I have a long Troy rail on a 20" AR and it will flex without a lot of force.  I originally had a front sight on the rail and rail issues made it a no go.  I cut a notch in the top and reinstalled the standard FSB.  Different rifle, but I was taking a class one time and had a Harris bipod mounted on the forend  I thought it would be an asset when shooting under time at 200yds.  At the buzzer, drop to prone, get your shots.  What I found, was that if I wasn't dead on with the bipod and had to load it slightly to one side or another, the shots would spread horizontally.  I think it was due to torquing on the bipod and how it affected the recoil impulse angle.  This seems similar to what the blog references with handguard alignment and flex.

Snipershide did another review and also changed out some stuff.  PRS stock, LRI barrel, handguard and bolt shroud, Magpul grip, Seekins safety.  Start counting on your fingers and they kept the receiver, bolt, trigger group and the lower receiver/magwell.  Great groups, but I thought the point of the RPR is that you didn't have to do all that?

Barrel changes appear straight forward, but I need to find out about the receiver blocks for the action.  Get your go/no go gauges and you're good to go.

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I re-read the blog and his consensus was that it was a good rifle for the price.  One of the comments spurred some thought.  Another hundred dollars into the gun would have made it better from the factory.  That's true.  It's true of damn near everything that you can spend more and more and it will be incrementally better every time, some increments larger than others. 

If you are building and pricing something to sell, a manufacturer has to consider the niche he's building for.  The price-to-quality ratio should be good for that niche.  If you incorporate higher quality, more expensive options, then you run the risk of pricing it outside the niche, but not enough quality for the higher niche.  80/20 rule applies.  80% cost increase to achieve a 20% performance improvement.

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6.5 is commercially available through Copper Creek Ammunition and Hornady but sells quickly.

LRI has started selling 6.5 barrels for the RPR, but they are pricey. 

LPD "People ask the difference between a leader and a boss. . . The leader works in the open, and the boss in covert. The leader leads, and the boss drives." - Theodore Roosevelt

Take this for what it is worth with a sample size of ONE.  We have been playing with a RPR chambered in .308 Winchester, and color me not very impressed.  The one we were shooting would not stabilize heavier .308 bullets.  It will end up being a consistent 1 MOA gun with 168 grain handloads.   I have not got to shoot it past 600 yards yet.  I definitely like the ergonomics, and the factory trigger isn't bad either.  Maybe I had my expectations set too high for the platform, but Ruger did hype this as precision rifle.  Before I make a final determination, I want to shoot a few more of them. 

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CallMeShooter posted:

 The one we were shooting would not stabilize heavier .308 bullets.  It will end up being a consistent 1 MOA gun with 168 grain handloads ... Before I make a final determination, I want to shoot a few more of them. 

I would try a factory box B4 ya make that final determination.  175gr hpbt should be well below MOA

(LINK 308win SHLowlight) http://www.scout.com/military/snipers-hide/forums/5531-range-report/14210018-prime-ammunition-260rem-6-5cm?page=3

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Ours is chambered in a 308. We tried a half a dozen different factory loads out of it, and none were less than 1 MOA.   Some of those included high end match ammo. But like I said, I've only been able to try out one.   

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Good question.  This one had an AAC 51T muzzle brake on it.  I ought to remove it and double check for burs.  Thanks for the info.  The rifle belongs to a good friend of mine, so the brake was installed when I started playing with it.

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Well as a good American tax payer, I feel it is my duty to inject Uncle Sugars refund back into the economy. I've spent weeks on the hunt for a local purchase of a RPR .308 to absolutely no avail. Meaning there isn't anyone I could find between Ft. Collins and Denver who had one or had even a clue as to when one might be available from the disty channels. Enter Gun Broker... Ended up snagging one for $1180 shipped, with transfer and background check fees I'll be out the door for right at $1211. Still around $150 less than if I purchased locally based on pricing a few FFL's gave me. OK, moving forward.. fucking optics, accessories and uhg.. ammo.

I'm going to write a review from the beginning (the hunt for the right caliber and platform then finding the fucker) and address my re-entry into long range shooting (its been nearly 10 years since the last go-around) . This isn't a poor mans sport or tool set by any stretch.  

If there's anything specific you bastards want to know or see about the RPR .308, let me know and I'll be sure to get you the best answer my ignorant ass can get and add it to the review.

 

 

Much would depend on the intended use.

How far do you intend to shoot? At 1000 with the 140 AMAX, you will be dialing right around 7.7mils... for a scope with 10 mils/rev you are still on the first revolution of the elevation turret. 

Pick the features you need to for your intended use. 

I have a pair of Premier 5-25s, one on a 260 Hospitaller the other on a 6 Creed, and I can count on the fingers of one hand how many times I have shot them at 25X... mirage will take all the fun out of shooting. With the Gen II Razor you cna always dial magnification down.

 

OK so I have the RPR in 6.5 Creedmoor outfitted with a Harris bipod, Magpul grip, and Vortex Razor HD II 4.5x27x50,

This is my first bolt gun/precision rifle. I have shot for years but always semi-autos. The only real distance shooting I have done (meaning beyond 100yds) was the Marine Corps KD courses.

I have been shooting Hornady 120g AMAX. Shooting (3) round groups like this @ 100yds is no challenge at all -

This is best (3) round group at 300yds -

This was on a wooden bench off the bipod.I had a cinder block on the bench I preloaded the bipod against and pulled the stock down against a bag filled with sand.

There were some I could get two rounds touching but consistently blew the third shot. The biggest improvements have come from getting behind the rifle and shooting it. The more I shoot it the more I get comfortable with it.

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Nicely done EZGOINGKEV. I'll admit the 6.5 is a very sweet caliber and I wish I could justify both .308 and 6.5.

Ive got about 300 rounds through my .308 RPR  to date. I am not seeing issues with the stock or forend. I dont particularly baby the chassis either.  I ended up with the Vortex PST 6 - 24x FFP MRAD,  really dig it, but yeah mirage on the high planes in CO at 24x does suck. On my better days I can wring out .6 -1mil 3 and 5 round groups at ranges out to 300m using FFGM 168grn off a bipod and rear bag. Get pretty close to the same performance with Ultramax 168grn,  opens up a smidge to average .75-1.25mil. Anything 100m or under is basically a jagged single hole with both type of ammo and stable support

Just got a good tripod and rest from Precision Rifle Solutions.  I really love having this thing...from standing to sitting, though my groups opened up I attribute that the learning the to stabilize better using the tripod

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Did buy a Savage Mark II TRR-SR .22 as a trainer. Now thats a fun way to reinforce fundimentals on the cheap.  Running a Primary Arms FFP 4-16X, SWFA has solid competition from PA, even with that much magnification 50m is challeging with wind 100m is a solid test for for my skills. Am already seeing improvement when I switch to the RPR kinda like warming up, especially off the tripod!

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http://www.precisionriflesolut...products/show/839380

Don't know why I waited this long to get a tripod setup.

Also added a monopod recently,  really dig that. Not an absolute must,, but if you're going to be proned out for long periods....yeah you'll want one.

All in all, while relearning long range shooting the RPR fills the basic to intermediate skill level needs in a bolt gun for me. I'm not face shooting fucktards for a living or competing for money, doubt I'll do either again. Would hesitate to take the RPR pretty much anywhere I'm likely to need it's capabilities.

A couple things I'd like to see Ruger do...

1. Offer a lefty version

2. Offer up a all MagPul version with Mlock compatible forend, MOE + grip and PRS 2.  

3. Bring on the big calibers.. .338 LM, .300WM etc

 

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I am not a dues paying member of the Ruger fan club for personal reasons, but I must admit the RPR is an interesting rifle.   I have a handful of various .308 rifles, to include an   M14,  some Rem700's,  etc.   I already have one particular PSS that shoots really well, but, with all that being said--the thought of an RPR chambered in .338 LM or even .300WM would obligate me to cough up the money!    

(Whilst we're wishing for more horsepower,   I suppose asking for one chambered in .408 CheyTac would be out of the question?)

 

 

Just read 33 pages on snipershide with only a couple mentions of the 5.56 version. Anyone have one? I'm limited to 100 yards and have a metric shitload of 5.56 ammo.

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Here is a link to an RPR thread on AR15.com -

https://www.ar15.com/forums/pr...cision-Rifle/3-2241/

There are a few posts on there about it. I would suggest going to the last page and working backwards.

Where in MA are you? Harvard and Easton have a 300 yard range. I am a member at Harvard and can bring you up there/sponsor you if you want to join.

Granby out in western MA has a 1000 yard range.

Joined: 3/27/09          Location: Back in MA for now

EzGoingKev posted:

Here is a link to an RPR thread on AR15.com -

https://www.ar15.com/forums/pr...cision-Rifle/3-2241/

There are a few posts on there about it. I would suggest going to the last page and working backwards.

Where in MA are you? Harvard and Easton have a 300 yard range. I am a member at Harvard and can bring you up there/sponsor you if you want to join.

Granby out in western MA has a 1000 yard range.

I'm out near Worcester. I've thought about joining Harvard, shot CAS up there, nice place. Can't rationalize two club memberships though, but thanks for the offer. When I'm a life member in a couple years, I'll take you up on it. BTW, Granby just lost their range, town shut them down for extending their range without a permit.

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