Thanks 21M, being a GSA item it may be easier for me to go through our cache manager and see if he has these or can get them. I can order from GSA direct with a purchase card but it would probably be easier to go through him as I would have to do a unit level purchase vs a single pair to justify. Im curious if they are any different than the 60kev/40nomex crew boss elites I already have. I have a feeling its the same material. I'll look into it more, thanks again.