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Glock Gen 5 --- RFI

LobsterClaw207 ·
Hearing bits and pieces of stuff on these. Figured I'd start a thread for info dump if anyone has them, I know there was some chatter in the FBI Selects Glock thread but this seems more organized. Anybody got a stance or some solid info as of this early hour?
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Garmin inReach for tactical teams

LobsterClaw207 ·
I'll post some more info on this product/service and what we are using it for later, but first I'm looking to see if anyone has a pouch suggestion that fits this thing? We've got the ones with the small screen, and the little nub antenna has to stick out/see the sky. Thanks!
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AK-47 RFI - Chinese?

LobsterClaw207 ·
I was contacted by a LE buddy who tried to sell some property room guns to Interstate Arms in Taxachusetts, only to discover that the AK he was trying to sell was full auto, so they wouldn't take it. Anybody have any further info on this thing, or tips on what to do with it? I told him what I thought, that the PD can probably register it in the NFA if they can prove it was pre-1986 and sell it. It was found by a couple of guys in a river way back when, but has a bayonet and cleaning kit and...
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Re: Step by step DIY SBR

LobsterClaw207 ·
To clarify, not looking for a armorer's guide or how to install specific parts. I'm talking about a procedural reference for the paperwork and required hoops to jump through.
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mcclainm ·
I know this isn't what you want to hear, but check out ARFCOM under the Armory section. They have a step by step, that seems a lot of their members have used to get theirs done.
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HD_Cruisin ·
Make sure you get it engraved with your name/ trust name and the locality. It can't be any old engraver though - a trophy shop engraving won't cut it. it has to be deep into the metal. When I built my SBR, I sent the lower to Orion Arms up near Minn/ St Paul. They do good work and color fill the engraving either black, white, or red. Cost something like 15-20 bucks. Very quick turn around. My Class III dealer I did my supressor through,around the same time as my SBR build, vectored me onto ...
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jamesavery22 ·
jwise over on the officer.com forum's has a good thread which gives the closest thing to a step-by-step guide on setting up a Trust and filling out a Form-1 I've ever seen. Heres the link but... http://forums.officer.com/show...t-route-to-the-NFA.. . For the past couple of days when I go to forum.officer.com it just shows me ads and no forum content? Their site F'ed or maybe browser compatibility? edit--- NVM now it works? Here is a more ATF Form-1 step-by-step:...
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68WhiskeyNCoke ·
I may be out of my lane here, but I thought the only thing needed to legally mount a sub 16" upper was an NFA tax stamp on the upper itself? What is the engraving/trust name etc. you guys are referring to? EDIT: Mods please delete, I figured out my own question. Form 4 is what I was referring to.
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CarlosDJackal ·
I got the following from another site: How to SBR Your Lower by Scottryan Here is a guide to properly SBR your lower. I put this together due to the rash of “mishaps” that seem to plague people who are SBRing their lower. 1. Live in a Free State 2. Realize that you will be married to this lower probably for the rest of your life and you will get pennies on the dollar if you try to sell it after the SBR process. 3. Buy a quality lower preferably from a company that will service it after it...
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JeffLester ·
^^^^ Word. Depending on your analness, you may elect to forego some of the steps above. Starting with a GOOD lower can not be emphasized enough. If you perform the steps above, I suspect you'd have minimal issues down the road.
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Guest ·
Never done an SBR. Why would you get it engraved before paperwork comes back with Tax Stamp? Dont you need the number to engrave on it? Just curious as I am wanting to do this soon. DM
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clharr ·
Mainly in the event that the engraving is wrong or the lower is damaged/lost in the process. If the Form 4 hasn't been approved you can call you examiner up and start the process over with another lower. I always recomend actually assembling the lower and test firing a good amount of rounds with it before you Form 4 it.
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naloxone ·
No, you just engrave the manufacturer's name (your name or name of your trust if you are doing a trust) and city, state location. My shop here won't engrave it until the stamp comes in , but if you can do the engraving before you have the stamp, its best for the reasons aforementioned.
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IKICKHIPPIES ·
Nope, no number gets engraved on it. The Form 1 actually puts the existing serial number in the NFA registry. The only engraving that goes on the lower is your name [or Trust/LLC name], city & state. Regarding getting it engraved BEFORE you send your paper off like clharr said what if you send your Form 1 off and your lower gets lost in the mail or some jackwagon decides to crush the lower in a vise while he hacks at it with an electric pencil. YOU WILL HAVE THE LOWER FOR THE REST OF...
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Joe Curnarski ·
You may wish to check the BATF website or google "BATF SBR Regulations" for help. As has been said, don't short-cut on the lower. I have no affiliation with Orion Arms, but they did a very neat and professional job on my sbr. Joe
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JeffLester ·
Although they have only engraved one lower for me so far, Indent Marking Services did an awesome job on my lower. They are located in Rockwall, TX, just east of Dallas.
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Chameleox ·
Another plus one for Orion Arms . They did a nice job, at a reasonable price and fast turnaround time. This, after I tried to get a local jeweler's to do it. Definitely not deep enough. I'm not as worried about aesthetics, since I'm just about the only one who'll see this, but I wish I had had it done right the first time around.
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Mikey G ·
I had my trust formed using guntrustlawyer.com and the affiliated lawyer for VA. He was knowledgeable about the process and had a couple of NFA items himself. He walked me through my first one and I had no issues. When my stamp came back I sent my stripped lower to Orion Arms and they took care of me as well. Process for me: Form trust with lawyer and have notarized at local bank. Form trust bank account. Fill out form 4 in fillable PDF found via google. Write check from trust bank account...
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kal0220 ·
Mikey, Just curious, why the separate account? Liability? The only reason I ask is because I'm looking to get a suppressor for my SBR that I did on a trust. Thanks!
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Mikey G ·
Lawyer basically said it was to separate finances of the trust from my personal finances so that it legitimately looked like a trust with a paper trail.
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LobsterClaw207 ·
Credit to Resq14 for digging this up: http://quarterbore.com/library...barreledriflefaq.pdf Thanks for all the responses guys, exactly what I was looking for. If I get another SBR or suppressor, I'm going to do it myself instead of having the dealer do it.
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Jeff Cooper ·
Is any engraving required if you DON'T use the Trust method? Sheriff here is real good about signing off approvals on Form 1s and Form 4s.
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Haji ·
The engraving is to show who "made" it. AFAIK, the only way to avoid having that on there after the fact is to buy a registered lower from the manufacturer, which would then be a tax paid transfer to the buyer.
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fearce ·
Noveske will register a previously sold lower reciever for you if you buy a shorty upper from them. Noveske SBR Program
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BlackBear207 ·
Also came across this: http ://marylandshooter.com/ar15/trust/SampleTrust.doc It is MARYLAND specific, but it's a starting point. I read the school of thought on having some account tied to the trust... but the reality is, you can add things like houses and cars to the trust without purchasing them via the trust. The popular opinion seems to be it's not a big deal. Then again, I'm not Resq14, Esquire. haha One annoying thing I learned: If you already own a registered NFA firearm/device, you...
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fearce ·
There is only a $200 tax for transferring an NFA item. You can legally move it to the trust with just one stamp. ***update***. this is only if your state allows FTF transfers, so that's why you might have to pay two stamps. Not worth it of course, just get another lower . A short barrel rifle only needs to be engraved with the makers name, so if you registered it as an individual first, your name and city, st would already be there, and the trust does not need to do anything. Honestly, that...
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CarlosDJackal ·
The receiver has to have the name of manufacturer, city and state egnraved on it (at the correct size and depth) by the time the paperwork is approved and in the owner's possession. Otherwise, you're basically in violation.
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IKICKHIPPIES ·
I will say that after 3 Form 1's if I had to go over and do it ALL over again I would have bought factory complete SBR's. Is building it cool? Sure. Do you save money? Sure, a little. But not enough to offset the engraving and hassle. You are also putting your name on a gun when you simply don't have to. In hindsight of the past 6 years I wish I would have bought a factory Daniel Defense, LWRC, Noveske, etc. 1. No engraving. 2. Factory SBR, registered by the factory, not by me. 3. Factory...
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PsyDoc556 ·
I completely agree with the need to engrave. However, I'm not so sure about the violation part. As long as you don't have the short barrel in your possession, and the rifle isn't assembled yet, I don't think the unengraved receiver is considered a sbr. The converse is true, that is, if you no longer have the barrel the receiver is removed from the purvue of the NFA.
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naloxone ·
I did read that on the NFA site and as I have no immediate plans to sell anything, I'm not really concerned about it but this bit does confuse me though; it reads like if you wanted to sell the lower without a sub-16" barrel, your buyer would not need a stamp, but given there is a process to write and have a lower removed from the registry, just slapping a 16" upper on there to sell it seems unlikely.
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308mgmd ·
My class three dealer (one with many years in the business) told me that if I SBRd an AR, I don't have to engrave it at all. I just listed what was on the side of the AR...Colt, their address, their serial number and left it 5.56. He has also told me in the past that barrel length and caliber is not an issue with the AR for obvious reasons. Anyway, I sent off the Form 1 and it was approved. In fact, I have three ARs I did this with and no issues. I do wonder if I did something wrong after...
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CarlosDJackal ·
Call the BATFE's NFA Branch and get the straight scoop from them because it sure sounds like your Class 3 dealer is contradicting what is in Section 7.4 here: ATF Document The reason you put your information is because you are the manufacturer of the NFA item, not Colt. JM2CW.
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308mgmd ·
The ATF info you sent refers of a Form 7 and a Form 2, not a Form 1 that we use to register a SBR. I think there is a difference. The info speaks of being a "manufacturer" making guns for sale to others and probably from scratch. I think that is a different beast. Form 1s just take an already manufactured weapon (I didn't make it, Colt did)and modifying it into a SBR to just add a shorter barrel. That would be closer to "gunsmithing" than "manufacturing." One could use your references to try...
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english kanigit ·
This is a very interesting option, almost too good to be true. You have the Noveske lower, it's yours. You've bought it at some point and it was transfered to you. You decide that you want an SBR and send this lower to Noveske. As they are the manufacturer of the lower they can turn it into a factory SBR (via a form 2 IIRC). Your complete form 4 goes to Noveske for them to check over before forwarding it to the ATF. Here's the cool part, once the form 4 is approved Noveske sends that gun...
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Blackwind ·
Recall what they charge?
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JeffLester ·
Blackwind -- I don't recall the exact amount, but it was around $50-60US. Very reasonable in my opinion. The work was top notch.
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3ACR_Scout ·
I have to agree with your interpretation from reading the ATF document - I don't see anything under "manufacturer" or "manufacturing" that would apply to me as someone modifying the barrel length on an existing weapon in those guidelines. According to this, it sounds like you did the right thing when you filled out your form. In the instruction on Page 4 of the Form 1, item "i" reads " Serial Numbers and other Markings. If an existing firearm is being modified into an NFA firearm, enter the...
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PsyDoc556 ·
The ATF Form 1 is used to MAKE and register a firearm. There have been letters floating around for a number of years from the ATF. I understand that letters apply only to whom they are addressed, but they offer guidence for the rest of us. This letter, taken from another forum, dated Aug2010 indicates clearly that engraving is required. I fill out my Form 1's just as you do, that is I don't list anything in BOX H as it isn't necessary, all the information required from me as the MAKER of the...
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Uwe1 ·
This is the reason as I understand it for getting a separate bank account. I haven't done a trust or completed the process yet, but I gathered this in my readings and research. Remember, if you are using a trust, it is a legal entity that owns the SBR/suppressor/SBS/machine gun...whatever. You are not the legal owner. As the Trustee, you can legally use/control the item the trust owns, but you are not the owner. To purchase a suppressor/NFA lower etc. via Form 4 and using the trust instead...
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Re: Where are the lowers?

MCorbin ·
Have you checked Rainier Arms? They usually have a few options in stock.
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Re: Where are the lowers?

TORCH2J ·
Try Stag. I've always had good luck with their stuff
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Haji ·
Not exactly. There are only a few companies that make the raw forgings, but the cutting of the forging that makes a lower is done by a whole bunch of places. Some outsource to machine shops, some do it in house on their own machinery. That's why there's variances in areas like the dimensions of the magwell and some companies get the holes in the right place and some don't. Lowers do seem to have gone up. I've got a few DPMS AR lowers that we got recently that are going for $125; a bit more...
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Re: Where are the lowers?

LobsterClaw207 ·
Ahhhh forgot about Stag. Yep looks like they do have some in, thanks for the heads up. Side note- did I miss the memo on BCM's new factory? I'm going to guess this is why most of their stuff is out of stock, or sells out almost instantly?
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Backcountry ·
MCorbin had a good suggestion to check Rainier. Looking at thier webpage, I see they MEGA, Rainier Arms(most likley machined by MEGA, but speculation on my part), and Stag lowers in stock all under $135. Im fortunate to have them local to me and I have been very pleased in doing business with them. http://www.rainierarms.com/?pa...eyword=&pagenumber=1
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68WhiskeyNCoke ·
I will second Rainier Arms. Great selection, quality service, and fast shipping.
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Re: Where are the lowers?

LobsterClaw207 ·
Thanks guys, I'd never even hear of Rainier. Shows how much money I've been allowed to toss around lately...
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DocCaliz ·
I've bought 3 stripped stag lowers locally for $89-$99. With in the last 6 months. I always buy lowers locally. Because once you have it shiPped and pay the transfer fees you don't really come out ahead.
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Krylancelo ·
I'd probably buy one of these: http://www.aimsurplus.com/prod...+Receiver&groupid=53 Cuz they're cheap. That or: http://www.aimsurplus.com/prod...+Receiver&groupid=53 But the SAaA ones are out of stock at the moment. They're both made by Aero Precision, and they make pretty good lowers.
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medicman29 ·
I have assembled several of the surplus ammo and arms lower receivers, and have been very pleased. excellent value. check out www.surplusammo.com
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Pat _Rogers ·
Yes, from 8000 sqft to 32000 sqft. However, that is not the issue. They are selling more now than the obamamania scare buying thing 2 years ago, and they are consistently over 100% of the preceeding years sales. In police work we call that a ... *Clue*
 
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