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Help me decide which rifle plates to get

Diabollous ·
Hi everyone, I've been reading for a couple of weeks now on plate carriers and armor. I've decided to go with the CRYE JPC 2.0 in size XL, I'm a big guy. I'll be purchasing a SAPI cut plate in size 11"x14". I've looked at so many different rifle plates my head was spinning, but I've narrowed it down to a couple different options. It's very confusing trying to determine the various threat levels and the information in this forum has been incredible. The post from Doug Deaton was especially...
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Plate Carriers Revisited: Features of the Next Generation

quadrail ·
Disclaimer: Airsofter, not professional user. A decade of fighting overseas revolutionized the armor carrier market, bringing us from SPEAR vests and OTVs to 6094s and JPCs. Following the drawdown in Iraq and Afghanistan, however, we've seen a dramatic reduction in the size of the tactical gear market, as well as the number of new and innovative designs being brought to market. The products that have been recently introduced seem to be focused on different markets--specifically low-vis,...
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Side Armor for Crye JPC

MedicAJ ·
Anyone have experience running the Crye Long Side Armor Pouches for soft armor on the JPC? Does it have any effect on pouch placement on the outside of the cummerbund? Any pics would be helpful. Thanks! Andy
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Re: Help me decide which rifle plates to get

Erick ·
It's been suggested before, but buy plates first then choose a carrier. As for determining your probable threats - what calibers is your department seizing in the field or not? If a specific caliber &/or load isn't listed, identified then it probably was not officially tested. Now that doesn't mean no one has shot that round at that plate just that it wasn't done officially. Have you reached out to a competent Hesco dealer, run your situation & needs past them, and gotten their...
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Re: Help me decide which rifle plates to get

Diabollous ·
I have reached out to a dealer and they have been very helpful. They recommend the 3810 if 7.62x51 is a threat in my area, but I've never really come across it nor have others I work with. I'm very new to purchasing rifle plates so I don't want my ignorance steering me in the wrong direction. I like the idea of having 7.62x51 protection; however, maybe it's not a significant threat and I should be looking at the U210 for the weight savings and how thin it is. I'm hoping someone with some...
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Re: Help me decide which rifle plates to get

LightScout ·
About a year ago, I bought a set of Hesco L210's. I went through the guys at AT Armor and they were very helpful in talking though my needs and desires vs. pros and cons of some of their products. I do not wear the plates daily so others can chime in there. When deployed, I wore the plates/vest I was issued and eventually you get used to what you have. In a way, that's less hassle then having a choice in the matter In the end, you'll need to rank your priorities (protection, weight, cost,...
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Re: Help me decide which rifle plates to get

shadow93 ·
Honestly, shoot Mike at AT Armor a call or an email. He has no problem walking you through your best choice and correct sizing for the plate. He doesn't try to upsell you, he legit is trying to get you the correct armor for your needs.
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One speed ·
Thanks for the input. Has anybody utilized DFNDR plates before?
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SFF ·
I, too, recommend you talk to Mike at AT Armor. He will help you make an intelligent buying decision.
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Melon_Killer ·
In response to your debate of thickness vs protection: I've found that an overwhelming majority of the LE purchasing personal plates from me decide to go with at least one U210 on the back due to the thinness of the plates and the ergonomic benefits of a slimmer plate when sitting in their vehicles.
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Re: Help me decide which rifle plates to get

cd228 ·
Another happy AT armor customer. What will you be doing while wearing the plates? Is this for a low vis rig in a high risk area or for a class rig/civil unrest rig? Your choice of a JPC seems to be towards the overt. If you are going "loud" , I'd look towards the 3810 as the slight reduction in thickness provided by the U210 (which makes it easier to hide, among other things) is offset by the fact that you have it in a visible military style carrier.
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Diabollous ·
My Crye JPC 2.0 just arrived. Great quality. Now it's time to get some pouches and other stuff.
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Re: Plate Carriers Revisited: Features of the Next Generation

Longeye ·
I have a number of thoughts- maybe not all then are what you are expecting. I should have some time in the morning for a reply.
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Re: Plate Carriers Revisited: Features of the Next Generation

rcbusmc24 ·
For what I do, dismounted infantry stuff, my goal is lighter and slicker. I want a new carrier that is unobtrusive, fits with the ruck, carries the new issue USMC lightweight plates. It needs to have no bulk in the shoulder region and there should be a few fittings on it to allow for the attachment of swift-clip placards and chest rigs for limited mounted use/ urban combat. it should have the ability to be used with a simple elastic cummerbund strap system or a full cummerbund system that...
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Diz ·
Yeah been thinking about this myself. I am also of the opinion of having a slick PC, that is scalable to a certain extent, but agree that the belt line is where I want the majority of my kit. A micro chest rig for use in conjunction with, and maybe a small back bag. Need more info on size/shape of new USMC plates.
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sixtop ·
I think if someone were to take a step back and build a carrier that is goal orientated and not feature orientated then you would see a superior product. I feel that too many companies throw a bunch of features on gear (packs, carriers, belts, etc) with out focusing on what the carrier should accomplish and then allowing the features to follow.It really seems that companies will see a competitors product, copy it, then throw on a feature or enhancement and call it good. What really needs to...
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Re: Plate Carriers Revisited: Features of the Next Generation

runningwolf ·
So plate carrier designs haven’t went stagnant, there is near continual development, most of it being very specialized, with a heavy focus on SOF and LE. This is because with the war winding down the most of the fighting is being done by SOF. You also has GP forces going back into a Garrison mindset and upper leadership forgetting the lessons of the past almost 2 decades and putting out memos that soldiers will only wear the issued armor set up exactly the same. PEO Soldier has no interest...
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Re: Plate Carriers Revisited: Features of the Next Generation

Rob K. ·
Your question shouldn't be addressed solely in the framework of a plate carrier, it really is a much broader topic than that. " Following the drawdown in Iraq and Afghanistan, however, we've seen a dramatic reduction in the size of the tactical gear market, as well as the number of new and innovative designs being brought to market." There isn't necessarily a correlation here; at face value "drawdown" does seem to be a convenient explanation for why innovation seems to have slowed, but i'm...
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Re: Plate Carriers Revisited: Features of the Next Generation

Rob K. ·
I'd also like to offer that most of the things you've suggested as 'next generation' really aren't. Its still the same widget, you're just refining it more. Integrated admin pockets, kangaroo pockets, fewer layers etc are still incremental changes in existing products. Those are also mostly based around convenience, not because of necessity. I look at 'generations' as the shifts from PASGT vest, to Interceptor Body Armor.. or where we've come with helmets: PASGT to MICH to OPS Core.
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Ó Donnghaile ·
Right now there's a bunch of testing for a new armour or plate carriage system going in the Canadian Forces to replace the current frag vest; it's also tied into to tests looking at how we're going to approach load carriage systems. Currently we do an independent armour and load carriage system which is uh, well... very dated and not well received by anyone that has to use it (if they even have the complete system due to shortages in the supply). Unfortunately, projected delivery period is...
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Re: Plate Carriers Revisited: Features of the Next Generation

runningwolf ·
Another point on why you aren’t seeing amazing brand new revolutionary plate carriers come out but instead incremental changes and updates to existing designs, it’s as simple as “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”. let’s take the JPC for instance. Crye literally hit a design gold mine when they came out with this. It does exactly what guys are needing out of a plate carrier and does it well, minimal weight, minimal bulk, super low profile shoulder straps, as good of ventilation as you can ask...
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Re: Plate Carriers Revisited: Features of the Next Generation

domestique ·
AXL Advanced has been doing some awesome modifications to CRYE carriers. I think a love child between Crye, FirstSpear and Spiritus Systems would be amazing. From purely a CONUS/homeowner's persepctive where rifles and HANDGUNS are a real threat, I'd like to see a scalable plate carrier that integrates with IIIA armor while reducing bulk. Just wearing a plate carrier may be necessary for climbing 10,000+ mountains in Afghanistan, but if the next war is another urban endeavor, I'd like to see...
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MrMurphy ·
Running a concealed IIIA vest with III+ ICW plates for LE, I agree.
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crazypaulie ·
What would be cool is a plate carrier with integrated plates and ditch the "carrier" all together...maybe I'm just exhausted, maybe it's a sweet idea.
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Post Car ·
This is the boat I'm in. I have pretty much free reign in what vest I wear. I started with a Bothell soft armor carrier but it is just too big and bulky. I currently run a First Spear Strandhogg but I think I could use a little more coverage of soft armor for CONUS LEO. I'd like to see a cut of armor somewhere between concealable and external BALCS style that is not restrictive or too bulky and I can run a 10x12 low profile plate front or front and back. To be honest, my back is getting...
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OCB ·
I spent most of my time wearing armor while in the Army, sitting in a HMMWV with a hand mike pressed to my ear. From my perspective weight matter, but width matters more. If you could go back in time and give me a plate carrier with no MOLLE and a thin metal plate it would have saved me a small fortune in chiropractic appointments.
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XTCBX ·
Post Car, do you have soft armor in your cummerbund? I do, and in my current Strandhogg with the overlap CB it gives me damn near the same coverage as my issued soft armor. And yea, long days sitting in a Suburban on the rear plate can get extremely uncomfortable.
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Post Car ·
I sure do. The side protection is close to my issued concealable armor. I'm a weird in between size. Large SAPIs are too tall and I personally thing 10x12's are too short. I wouldn't min soft armor from just above my navel to just below my sternal notch and the hard armor covering the critical areas. I may play around with my plates over my concealable vest next day I'm off. The newer Bothell carriers seem a little slimmer.
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dont_tread_on_me ·
For all y’all clamoring for concealment cut soft armor plus plates Velocity has been doing that for years - Longeye can speak to that.
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quadrail ·
Good thoughts all, thanks for your contributions. Funny that you mention the scalable plate carrier with soft armor filling the gaps--the Russians have been experimenting with a similar system. It looks like a good compromise with decent frag protection while avoiding the "turtle suit" effect. Think a yoke and collar, groin flap, and side armor that can be retrofitted to existing carriers, such that you can scale from a slick PC with front and back plates to nearly a full-featured armor...
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Cytez ·
That you don't want to sweat when it's sub-zero temperatures if you can help it? Running and gunning, you're going to sweat, especially when wearing a bunch of heavy shit. But, eventually you have to stop moving and that's when you get in trouble. Having airflow will help mitigate SOME of that, good hyenine does the rest (removing the wet stuff and putting on dry stuff). I also know that pads, in COLD climates, tend to freeze and get hard (in my experience, a LONG time ago). Pads are...
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Re: Side Armor for Crye JPC

PlasticMag ·
Yep, done it. No impact to pouches other than to make weaving them in tighter due to the cummerbund construction style. I ended up modifying some Eagle cummerbunds for myself and others for better soft armor integration.
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