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Redback One 3-Day LEO Advanced Pistol & Rifle Nov. 26-28, 2018 St. Augustine, FL

Jason Falla ·
Advanced Pistol & Rifle Course (Law Enforcement Only) Dates: November 26-28, 2018 Location: St. Augustine, FL Venue: Ancient City Shooting Range Cost: $695 Enrollment: https://redbackone.com/pages/advance...l-rifle-course or email info@redbackone.com Prerequisite - All participants must have basic pistol and basic carbine knowledge and operation skills. Description This course of instruction has been developed to provide students with advanced knowledge and skills in the employment of...
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AAR: Pistol Shooting Solutions with Gabe White in Culpeper, VA, June 10th and 11th, 2017

nousdefions794 ·
Green Ops ( www.Green-Ops.com ) had the pleasure of hosting Pistol Shooting Solutions with Gabe White in Culpeper, VA, June 10th and 11th, 2017 There were 14 shooters in attendance and all were on time! Gabe started off by giving a quick intro of himself and a little about his training and accomplishments. Gabe White Bio Gabe also asked everyone to give their own introduction, background, pistol, holster, and position of carry they were using. Everyone had previous training and based on...
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Trigger Finger

steveg2 ·
I saw passing notice about this, but I have long wanted to start a discussion. Ever since we transitioned to Glocks I have shot low and left. I tried adjusting sights (wrong move). I I started backing my trigger finger out until I was just using the very tip of the last pad on the trigger...which followed the advice I usually read on trigger control. Still low and left. Watched a bit of a video from Pat McNamara who seemed to advocate putting so much of the trigger finger that could engage...
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Glock 17R trigger reset

joeroman ·
Hello All, I have a 17r that has broken reset trigger spring. Any ideas of where I can get one? I'm a certified Glock armorer however my cert has expired. I don't do enough work to justify attending the all day class and parting with the $100. Ant help would be appreciated. Thanks
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KUTF ·
Try Brownells.... They have a LE discount as well.
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shoobe01 ·
Okay, this works. I have shot pretty well — not great, pretty well — for many years. Well enough that no one bothers me about it. When I go to class, I am fine, instructors rarely make me do something different. But man does one get used their methods, or mistakes. This all feels a lot like when I changed my running strike. I was heel-toe forever, from high school when on the team and all. It's been like 4 years of switching to mid/fore strike and I still have to consciously remind myself to...
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MAC08 ·
SPDSNYPR wrote: I do not think any way that where you put your finger on the trigger has any bearing on where your groups land directly. Where your groups land has solely to do with you moving the gun. Maybe you move the gun less when you put X part of your finger on the trigger, but that's it. You can put any part of your finger you want on it, and if you apply straight rearward travel on the trigger, and you do not anticipate the recoil (tightening your grip and pushing into it slightly),...
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Re: AAR: Pistol Shooting Solutions with Gabe White in Culpeper, VA, June 10th and 11th, 2017

XTCBX ·
Bowling pin on the move...DAAAAAAMN!!!
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Re: AAR: Pistol Shooting Solutions with Gabe White in Culpeper, VA, June 10th and 11th, 2017

Erick ·
Interesting, thank you for the review.
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shadow93 ·
I have always had the same issue with Glocks as you. Just in the past couple weeks I've moved my knuckle deeper finally and have seen a huge improvement. Not sure what it is that causes that to work but Pat Mac was the one that turned my on to it as well. Do what works.
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scjbash ·
When shooting Glocks with stock triggers I use the first joint. I've shot Glocks with flat faced triggers and I shoot them better using the pad like I would with any other gun. Using more finger on a Glock helps a lot of people. I'm assuming it's simply because of the trigger shape.
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SPDSNYPR ·
I do not think any way that where you put your finger on the trigger has any bearing on where your groups land directly. Where your groups land has solely to do with you moving the gun. Maybe you move the gun less when you put X part of your finger on the trigger, but that's it. You can put any part of your finger you want on it, and if you apply straight rearward travel on the trigger, and you do not anticipate the recoil (tightening your grip and pushing into it slightly), voila - center...
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MOJONIXON ·
SPDSNYPR posted: "I often shot beautiful groups left handed, because my stupid left hand had not one clue where the trigger was going to break" I think there's truth to this. My oldest son doesn't shoot lefty, but his somewhat infrequent range days causes him to just think "There's the target, hit it" He doesn't overthink it and doesn't let extraneous thoughts enter into his thinking. It's certainly not stupid, probably pretty smart in my estimation.
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SFF ·
Good advice has been given. Additionally . . . More finger can work better. As can more grip. Web of the hand between the thumb and index (trigger) finger is a pivot point for recoil (vertical movement). It is also a pivot point for lateral movement. W/o a gun in hand, hold your dominant hand like it has a pistol in it. Operate the imaginary trigger, back and forth. Look at the arc that the tip of your finger makes. Compare this to the arc that the occurs at the first joint. The tip makes a...
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Dorsai ·
Where/how you place your finger on the trigger CAN affect where the shot goes depending on a number of factors. Most importantly, the weight of the trigger pull and the amount of over travel. For example, the Walther P-38/P-1 handgun. It isn't a Glock, but the mechanics illustrate the issue. The double action trigger pull is fairly stiff. So when pressing the trigger, you're building up a lot of pressure. When the hammer is at full cock and the sear breaks, there is a sudden release of all...
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shoobe01 ·
We are quite complex. Your hand is annoyingly complex, and unlike a robot, moving one part actually messes with every other part. I have studied some hand movements for my day job quite a bit. In my industry there's a lot of misconception about how the thumb works. And, which moves in a rather odd arc, and extension and flexion—not from the point at which it connects with the rest of the hand, but at the carpometacarpal (CMC) joint way down by the wrist. The other joints on the thumb let it...
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viking_overlord ·
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li0rGtXh23I Rob Leatham. His credentials speak for themselves and I will allow him to describe his concepts fully. I also have seen Paul Howe videos and recently attended a Northern Red class promoting this basic concept. I will only comment on how this theory has fundamentally changed my shooting accuracy and consistency. I had a "shoot low low/left" issue and it varied from pistol to pistol. I tried a bunch of different trigger finger placements, smooth...
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XTCBX ·
Frank Procter brought this technique up in a class, he said one of the biggest benefits was by sticking your finger all the way in there you were locking the rest of your finger to the frame thereby not allowing it to move during the press. I tried it, it works for me.
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SPDSNYPR ·
I don't think I explained well on my last response - at least fully. I am more talking about the old adage of "you should only put X part of your finger on the trigger" in the scope of trigger pull. That in no way takes into account different hand sizes and mechanics. I don't think less deep, or more deep or any other one thing is "the answer". And frankly, if you move everything in relationship to each other, you can likely find a way to get whatever part you believe is the right part to be...
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MAC19D ·
Well, shit. I saw this thread and had a big response all planned in my head, but smarter people than me have already addressed it way better than I could.... I'll add one tidbit....SPDSYNPR and I came through the same firearms instructor program, I'll wager. And dogmatic was a pretty accurate description. I've had fellow "instructors" call me all kinds of fucked up for daring to depart from that dogma, 20 years later. I like the way you're thinkin, man. Results are what we're after. If it...
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Back Spin ·
SPDSNYPR nailed it. I'm in the middle of helping teach a 2 week firearms instructor school, so trigger control is something I have been expounding on a lot as of late. A few additional thoughts: - I define proper finger positioning as the spot that allows you to naturally press the trigger straight to the rear with the most ease. - As mentioned, proper finger positioning depends on hand size, technique, and gun. Change any of those variables and your proper finger positioning changes as...
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SPDSNYPR ·
Watch this in as big a screen as you can. Yeah, excess movement on the draw and a little fishing, but I'm talking about the flinch. There is one, but it is very minor. At speed, you can't see it. SLO-mo, you can. Just watch the muzzle and compare it to something in the background. Also note how he's getting pushed back each shot (it's a .45 and he's young). He's not, however, trying to fight the recoil, which will help him with accuracy later. He's shooting steel I think at 25, and is not...
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XTCBX ·
I like what Brian Enos wrights about grip & trigger control. Hold the gun comfortably and press the trigger without disturbing the sight picture. That's it. This is the guy who tried everything every way it could be tried and came up with. Just hold the gun and press the trigger however you need to to not jack up your shot. I think we over think this a lot especially when trying to teach. There needs to be some experimentation and some time spent just feeling how the gun reacts when it...
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shoobe01 ·
It's Friday and spring break where my primary client is, so I didn't have much work this afternoon. Did some searching of the academic literature and found... not much. If anyone is doing serious anatomical/physiological studies of grip methods or actions on trigger press, they are internal to gun companies or a government and keeping them to themselves. Some studies on muscle tremor, and on effect of medications and so on. Not interesting for our discussion. In the old days, people did...
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XTCBX ·
Shoobe, the part of the finger your circled above was the part that was recommended to me to smash up against the frame therefore practically immobilizing it allowing the distal part of the finger to move from the 2nd knuckle. At least that's how the "Pat McNamerra" (not his technique originally) technique that's been discussed was shown to me...
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shoobe01 ·
Oooh. Interesting, Wonder if immobilizing is on purpose with this sort of thing in mind, or a side effect. I will have to try that also now that I get it. I had heard of this before but never had an instructor show me well so didn't get the full details.
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XTCBX ·
As it was explained to me the immobilizing of that part of the finger was kinda the main point, it doesn't work on all guns (our P2000 with its long and squishy trigger for example) but worked great on all striker guns I've shot. You kinda take the trigger finger out of the equation (like what we've been trying to do with the pad of finger technique and pulling straight back without anything else moving). It's the caveman version of perfect trigger press?
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shoobe01 ·
Been playing with it (dry) in the house all evening. Now I get the point, super interesting. Weird from decades of totally not doing it, so messing with draw stroke as well, but interesting. May try it tomorrow if I can sneak away from the house long enough to actually shoot at the IDPA match, not just go there to do the paperwork bits. Baby has been fussy as hell for a few days. Driving the wife rapidly insane.
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steveg2 ·
Damn, I'm glad I finally started this discussion. A lot of information to digest above. Let me add that I ended up as a damn good shot with S&W revolvers and learned to stage the trigger over time. Then we went auto loader and I had to relearn everything. Thanks to everyone that added and will add to the discussion.
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