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.50 Cal Carriage, Employment and Sustainment

Seyek ·
Hey all, given that this is a predominately American board and you are the most experienced users of the .50 cal I was hoping to pick your brains for any info you might have on the use of the .50. My reserve unit is one of the ones selected for the Direct Fire Support task and we've been given .50 cals and are starting to run courses to train up a platoon. Long term plan is to give us G-Wagons, but for now we're stuck loading them in the back of a truck and humping it and the ammo to a...
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tankersteve ·
I participated in manpacking a .50 a long time ago. I distinctly remember it wasn't any fun. However, I doubt I really have any firsthand knowledge of particular value. More and more, it seems that non-traditional smaller vehicles (ATVs, 6x6 John Deere, Polaris, etc) are being used to move mortars and heavy sustainment loads. Maybe look to those for ease of movement. I know in A'stan, we, with some Afghan border police, moved a Mk 19 into an overwatch position that completely surprised some...
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Gunner ·
Have you checked this one out? Apparently it’s open source, I just pulled it up on my phone without an ID. https://www.marines.mil/Portal...ions/MCTP%203-01C%20 (Formerly%20MCWP%203-15.1).pdf?ver=2016-08-02-094831-553
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Seyek ·
Thanks for the link Gunner, I actually downloaded that a short while ago after finding it elsewhere on here. Looks mostly similar to stuff we already have in our publications but I'll definitely take an in depth look to see what/if anything is different. Any advice on taking readings off the T&E mech? We use the C2 sight which is pretty easy to use, especially at night my so far brief experience (2 week HMG gunner course) with the T&E mech makes it seem like a big pain in the ass. A...
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tankersteve ·
As I remember, with Alice frames, we had the pack trays to carry 2x boxes of ammo per bearer. Two ammo bearers who rotated their load to others. Ours was really an exercise in moving the gun, tripod, and 4 boxes of ammo. We didn't have sustainment loads. Markings on the T&E - sounds like you are on the right path. I'm sure others will have some cool luminescent TTPs. Tankersteve
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cd228 ·
there is a section on the T&E in the US Army TC 3-22.240 (medium machine gun) and TC 3-22.50 (Heavy machine gun). you can also try contacting your Infantry school and the US Infantry school (you might have an LNO there) to get copies of the machine gun theory classes. (The one I took at OBC was taught by an Allied SGM). Unfortunately, must of my experience with the M2 was free gunning in the sandbox. The only recommendation I can make is to practice making range cards.
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Linz ·
Repack ammunition to those 'double depth' .50 cans (60mm round cans?): better can/round mass ration to carry on a pack frame. Have seen M2 HB strapped to a bamboo carry pole: makes a 2 man carry (shoulder or waist) over uneven ground easier/faster. Look at the tripod: can you attach carry handles/straps improvised from rifle slings? Modify a light pack to be the CES kit: C2 sight box, oil can, tools, cleaning gear etc. What are you doing for aiming posts?
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firemission4mortars ·
I wouldn't worry about transport. The whole idea of tasking these reserve units was so that the reg force units wouldn't have to man these positions ;direct fire , mortars , pioneer [ huge mistake IMHO]. You aren't going to be operating in a vacuum .Whatever "parent" unit you get attached to will provide logistical support. Just concentrate on maintaining proficiency in your drills.
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Linz ·
You kid me.
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cd228 ·
"Will" or "Should"? I haven't worked with the Canadian forces in a while, but in the US forces sometimes the support of attachments slips through the cracks. While I agree that crew drills are where the majority of the training time is best spent, it might not be a bad thing to be able to self transport.
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Sinister ·
In Korea in the 80s we took the .50s off the ring mounts on our 2.5 Ton trucks and broke them down into 4-man loads: receiver; barrel and a can of ammo; tripod, T&E and a can of ammo; and two cans of ammo. These were humped in packs, on frames, or over shoulders, as only foot infantry can. Fellas were amazed to watch headquarters dogs hump those bitches up and down the yamas (hills and ridges) just like toting mortars. Even more amazing was watching half-inch death raking over a target...
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1168 ·
If you have relatively even ground, make use of Skedco litters.
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Antimedic ·
Maybe luminescent sight paint? I put this ( https://www.truglo.com/accesso...brite-paint-kits.asp ) on the sights of one of my pistols and was thoroughly underwhelmed with it, but I pulled it out of a toolbox that had been sitting in the shop for a few years. Fresh stuff might work better, or someone may know of a better product. I’d try thorough degreasing and then lining the marks on the traverse bar and T&E with this.
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shoobe01 ·
Glow tape is always gonna be brighter than glow paint. Get clear electrical tape to keep it on places like legs of the tripod, etc. You can write on GITD tapes. So, can label parts of the T&E adjustments to turn to the right azimuth and elev in the dark. It will glow through paper, so if you really wanted, you could laser print a new azimuth ring, maybe on weatherproof sticker and glue it on top of a glow-taped ring. Simpler and if your handwriting sucks: they make GITD labelmaker tapes.
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tankersteve ·
That is the equipment breakout I remember. Not fondly, either... Tankersteve
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Seyek ·
Might be able to get 60mm ammo cans, the 60 is retired but cans might still be around. We're more likely to just use the current can or just haul the belts in a pack to save the can weight. No C2 sights for these, there's no where to mount one though I'd love a new tripod with a C2 over the current tripod and T&E mech. Pole isn't a bad idea, if we're going into a defensive we'll have 6 ft pickets we could use if it makes carrying things easier. Skedco litters are a good idea. Never...
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Trajan Aurelius ·
Consider an M3A4 Hand Cart replica. Here is a cart with a water cooled Browning .30 machine gun. Soldiers from the 505th PIR showing the proper way to push and pull a cart. Up to four Soldiers can move the cart. This is my welding project. These can be made by weldors, like me, so it isn't that hard. The wheel axles needed to be machined smooth but that was the only thing I contracted out. Cost is probably less than $600 if you research your materials. Get bigger tires than these if you are...
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shoobe01 ·
Not bike tires? I'd think the very large diameter and reduced total weight would help. Get the fattest you can though. One group I worked with used a cart (more like the size of a stretcher cart, with the bike tires but same idea) for a lot of equipment moving. Sorta brilliant, but it has a hard limit to what load it can take over what terrain. DO practice with it, and get used to what that is, and to hooking up other troops to pull; tugging is not horsepower on the wheels, and lots try to...
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MrMurphy ·
No .50 experience but always wondered why deer carts (specifically made to go offroad with heavy loads, and fold up) never got used. Moving a M2 or a Mk19 on foot would be a lot easier.
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KyPlinker ·
We used a lot of luminescent tape for T&E and other adjustments. At Polk we made use of wheeled stretchers and various carts for moving guns around. A cart would be pretty money if you could pull it off because you can leave the gun assembled, but not knowing your AO and other factors, not sure if it would be practical.
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Linz ·
C2A2: Somebody does. Litter: have heard of someone taking a surplus litter, folding and replacing the canvas with clamps/strapping to hold the assembled gun, tripod & spare barrel- but not seen it myself. This makes for a 4 man carry (what the US manuals recommend breaking the lot onto) plus a can of ammo on the back of each person. With the canvas gone, you could add additional hand straps to the middle of the poles for extra helpers or to assist in getting it out of a vehicle. Pole...
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shoobe01 ·
Took me a bit, but who's old enough to remember their service in the Spanish Civil War or whenever this was issued? The Mount, Wheeled, Machine Gun M1. I suspect none in the system, but it's a cute design. Just an axle and trailing arm with a couple brackets: Yes, seem to be a couple sub-variants. Love how the MG is mounted with the tripod, so can be brought to fire immediately, or be dismounted on the tripod pretty fast. Etc. Bet a modern one of these could be made to fold up smaller than a...
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kaltesherz ·
We tried that once, and quickly had a trashed Skedco full of holes and a very dirty M2: Zero out of Five Stars, would not recommend How far are you expecting to hump them? I'd think that'd play in ammo count... Hopefully you guys can upgrade the Tripod and T&E like what we're using on the M2A1, it's a game changer (that fixed headspace is nice too).
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Linz ·
If you were going the cart method, find some second hand 'Walk Around The World' carts that someone is selling cheap. Trouble is...what type of terrain & vegetation are we talking about? Have seen a couple attempts to carry M2 84mm & rounds on carts...but most failed because of trees or uneven ground. Hence the old WW2 'Jungle Cart' was pretty narrow & had bicycle size wheels. This, however, looks usable...plus cheap & easy to make:
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rcbusmc24 ·
We (USMC war fighting lab and 3/7 ) experimented with deer carts, wagons and such along with crew serves out in 29 palms several (now that I think about it many.......oh shit I'm that guy now.....) years ago..... it ended poorly..... With gun crews carrying their shit and still dragging the empty cart through the sand and loose rock. Those carts pictured up thread look better than the things that we were provided with though, and I'm sure that in a area with better ground they are more...
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rcbusmc24 ·
Came back to add that while it should be common knowledge it seems forgotten relatively quickly in my organization that sustaining fire support is a all hands evolution, Meaning that if you go foot mobile with heavy gun crews attached everyone is carrying extra ammo, shits heavy and the gun crews cannot possibly carry enough to sustain a fight for any amount of time. You want Heavy Gun support then you gotta carry some link to the drop off point, then you got make sure you pick it back up if...
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1168 ·
Re:Skedco “We tried that once, and quickly had a trashed Skedco full of holes and a very dirty M2: Zero out of Five Stars, would not recommend” Fair enough. They worked ok for mortars on a DZ. I’ve only seen it used on short, level areas with the M2. A swing and a miss!
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kaltesherz ·
I was in a D Co (Heavy Weapons) and our CO had the bright idea (that clearly hasn't died) that we needed a means of humping a M2/tripod/ammo. We tried the Skedco during a training op and seemed it to be going well over various terrain, including a bit of dirt road with some rocks, until we stopped and checked our load. We were in the middle of congratulating ourselves when we noticed that the receiver and tripod had created "hot spots" that were now huge holes. And with those holes came a...
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Sinister ·
The Russians pulled MGs on wheels for a while.
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CAE5 ·
I've heard the North Vietnamese transported a lot of loads on bicycles.
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kings_own ·
We rented UTVs for the 18 months or so our G Wagons were out of commission. I would bet your RQ has enough contracting experience to dig up 8 of them for the 5 or so monthly exes you will do that require manoeuvre. Our were dropped off at the Armoury 4 to a flat bed trailer and we pulled them with Milcots. You will have to get drivers qualified through MSE Safety but it can be done in weekend.
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Trajan Aurelius ·
CAE5 posted: They did. With loads of up to 600 pounds. Still do. A little before my time. Go here: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=+amm...images&ia=images The search term was "ammunition cart M4". And here: https://www.lightfighter.net/t...utility-cart-replica Yes, shameless self-promotion. shoobe01 posted: I have not seen pictures of bicycle tires on carts. Too light and easily bent. Fat bike tires, 26" x 2.6", were originally designed to ride on snow. $40-$150 for the tires alone. The rims...
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CAE5 ·
Something to think about. Will you be able to take whatever you decide on deployment. Low tech, but bicycles can be found anywhere.
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Dark Angel Medical -Direct Action Response Training AAR 21-22 OCT 2017

BigOaf ·
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BigOaf ·
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BigOaf ·
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