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Night vision and Aiming systems

Longeye ·
This thread is for discussion of night vision and the related aiming systems. There are a number of posts scattered around LF, but as far as I can see there is not a single dedicated topic. In the aftermath of Hogpocolypse, it struck me that a consolidated topic would be useful. As I find links to individual posts I will add them in this first post. So, any comments, questions or observations about buying, using, or setting up NVG devices and the associated IR aiming and illumination systems...
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TNVC Discount Codes

noshoutingallowed ·
Folks: I'm looking to purchase some goods from TNVC for this Black Friday/Cyber Monday season. Does anybody have a line on discount codes? I'm looking to pickup: TNV / PVS-14 L3 Gen 3 Unfilmed White Phosphor Tactical Augmented Pressure Switch (TAPS) I haven't decided on a white light solution yet, so any suggestions are welcome! If anybody has any feedback on the discount code or even have any experience on these platforms, I'd greatly appreciate it! V/R NSA
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LobsterClaw207 ·
Hey there - I read and searched, but info is scattered and somewhat dated (that I could find). What's up with the DBAL for an IR/vis laser and illuminator? I see several different versions when I Google, but it's hard for me to tell which is which. All my experience is with the ATPIAL/PEQ-2/PEQ-15 type lasers. This would be a civilian legal version (whichever that is), despite the purchaser being a full time LEO using it on his duty rifle, he can't go through the PD to purchase.
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MOJONIXON ·
From what little I know there are red vis and Ir with illuminator, green vis and ir with illuminator. And there may be both of those but without the Illuminator. It’s been a while since I was searching up all the permutations, so I could be a little bit wrong. The main difference that played around in my head was red versus green for the vis laser.
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XTCBX ·
The only DBALs that have all (Vis, IR pointer and IR illuminator) are the A3 & 4 and D2. The i2 is only available with Vis (green or red) / IR pointer or IR pointer / IR illuminator. The CQBL has a Vis (red only) & IR pointer that are slaved (like the 3&4) but no illuminator. Clear as mud?
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LobsterClaw207 ·
Very confusing. I'm looking at the DBAL-I2 on optics planet, and it appears to have green laser, IR laser, and IR illuminator? Or am I misreading.... https://www.opticsplanet.com/l...de=LD-LS-DBL2RG-9003
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XTCBX ·
Yea, you’re misreading that. DBAL-I2 you get 2 things: Vis laser, IR laser OR IR laser, IR illuminator. DBAL-A3 you get 3 things: Vis laser, IR laser & IR illuminator. DBAL-A4 you get 4 things: Vis laser, IR laser, IR illuminator & white light.
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MOJONIXON ·
And that probably is the hierarchy of cost, too. 4 things is > than 3 things is > than 2 things. I think though that even with the I2 the lasers are slaved so when you zero your vis laser your IR laser is zeroed as well.
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XTCBX ·
No, the I2 lasers are not slaved. The CQBL-1 has slaved lasers though (but the Vis is only available in red). If you want a truly do everything unit the MAWL looks hard to beat. I was very impressed when I played around with Ridgedog’s unit (phrasing!) at Hogopocolips.
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MOJONIXON ·
Ok. Learned something’s today. 1) I2’s aren’t slaved, and, 2) RD lets people play with his unit. . I’d love to have a MAWL, but currently a little spendy for me. I could afford one but don’t have a professional need for one, though that doesn’t preclude one from having one.
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LobsterClaw207 ·
Ah yes, I scrutinized some more and see now. XTCBX thanks that is the most clear I've seen it explained. The MAWL is awesome but outside of this dude's budget at the current time...
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WyattT ·
You can get full power peq on instagram with paperwork showing they aren't stolen pretty easily for about 1800
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runningwolf ·
ATPIAL-C and DBAL A3 are good options. MAWL and NGAL are basically top of the food chain and also very expensive. If you don’t have a legit work reason to need them, it’s hard to justify the money. Unless you just have more money then sense, then you do you.
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CROZ3212 ·
How concerned with IR illuminator effectiveness is he? The only Class I DBALs with illuminators that are worth anything past about 50-60 meters are the -A4 and -D2. The -I2 and -A3 illuminators just don’t get it done. Neither does the illuminator on the ATPIAL-C. The -D2 is the least expensive option with an effective illuminator I have seen and I’ve owned or have significant use with all of the other options suggested, along with most of the Class III stuff except the NGAL. The -D2 is big...
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WyattT ·
For those of y’all with a civi MAWL, is it worth it compared to a full power or uhp la5? Is the ir laser and Illuminator useful at several hundred meters like a uhp peq or are you only able to use it at cqb distances? If it’s awesome then maybe the class I vs III difference isn’t that great
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CROZ3212 ·
The pointer is easily outclassed by an LA-5 (I don’t know that I’ve been exposed to an UHP, just the full power). The illuminator(s) are cleaner and I would say as effective. If you ever messed with an old ATILLA, I thought that thing had a horse of an illuminator. I don’t miss mine with the MAWL. There are multiple things I don’t like about the MAWL, which makes me a heretic I guess, but the pointer does what I need it to these days (I am happily retired) and the illuminator is really...
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MOJONIXON ·
For the semi-educated (me, but learning more everyday) in all this ...what is UHP?
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CROZ3212 ·
Ultra-High Power. The published specs are impressive, to say the least.
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MOJONIXON ·
That’s kind of where my brain was going with it but it just seemed too logical and easy. Thanks.
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Consigliere ·
I can confirm that the ATTILA is an absolute beast. A. Beast.
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CROZ3212 ·
Great IR laser, if not especially lefty-friendly. The independent and highly variable adjustment of the pointer and illuminator are really nice. All the way up it’s got some horsepower for sure. Our mutual friend who likes dirt bikes these days has my old one.
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MG in TX ·
Croz what’s your thoughts w/ the vis. side of the MAWL in bright WTX sunshine & you mind sharing the dislike’s you’ve found w/ your C1 version?
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CROZ3212 ·
It’s the brightest green laser I’ve messed around with, but to be honest I don’t much worry about visible lasers except as a boresighting aid. I can see it out to 35 yards pretty easy on a bright backer in Alpine. Probably a bit farther but I would need to revisit that in late August. I’m playing Park Ranger for the summer in S TX and I don’t think the bosses would like me doing a distance test in the campground. As for dislikes, let me me preface by saying that mine is an earlier example...
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shoobe01 ·
As usual, this is from my POV. I am more aware of where my situation is different. I have talked to folks, listened here, had tiny bits of formal instruction. But, I am mostly greenside, not an urban/CQB/FISHing type. Everyone else chime in, add your more professional POV, and correct anything dumb I say. Okay, as I see it, lasers modules/units have four functions: Orient — Hey everyone, look over there. You guys take this (drawing line on ground) path, we'll go that way. Etc. Also things...
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WoodenPlank ·
For a dumb-ass civilian that's adding a PVS-14 to their collection, what would be worth looking at for a head-mounted solution? I have an old PT A-Bravo bump helmet, but I would need new pads for it to make it comfortable/usable. I'm thinking about something that will handle the -14, a battery pack/counter-weight, and maybe an IR illuminator. Anyone have any suggestions for a bump helmet setup that won't break the bank? Uses would be mainly for night hog/coyote hunting.
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shoobe01 ·
Not sure I'd put an illuminator on a helmet. And I do not think you need a counterweight for a monocular for sure. I'd look hard at the Crye Nightcap. Very comfy, and so low profile you can wear hats over the top of it (like a boonie for the rain). Especially useful if not loading with stuff, and no need for head protection (ballistic or bump). Has velcro all around, you can stick reflectors, strobes, maybe even a small battery pack / counterweight to the back.
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WoodenPlank ·
The illuminator thing is why I said I was a dumb-ass civilian - I don't know any better. Is the Nightcap going to be comfortable enough to wear for an extended amount of time? Also, good to know about the counterweight, but I will probably be using a battery pack for extended run time on the 14 anyway. I'll also be looking at a couple of weapon mounted vis/IR illuminator setups - one for a 9mm SBR and one for a 5.56 SBR. I'll worry about that later on, but the Streamlight VIR II for the 9mm...
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runningwolf ·
You’re gonna get around 30 hours of run time out of a 14. This makes battery packs, if they even make them for 14s, kinda pointless. Crye cap or a ops core bump helmet will work fine for ya
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shoobe01 ·
Yup, I almost only wear the Nightcap anymore. And that means 8 hour stretches of it sometimes. It, more than helmets, doesn't play well with glasses. So, whether RX or (at least!) eyepro, try to get something with a strap for NOD wear. I still wear Wiley-X SG1s for most shooty stuff, and use the elastic strap instead of the temples. Replaced the strap with a home-sewn one that has the buckle in the back, as the factory one was on the side, so gets under my earpro, etc. So, think about the...
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WoodenPlank ·
I wear prescription glasses (and contacts drive me nuts), so that's definitely a consideration. I wear in-ear eletronic plugs, so Peltor/Sordins aren't a concern for me, either, plus everything I plan to use for shooting with the NVGs will be suppressed (5.56 SBR and 9mm SBR). Unfortunately, I don't have any options right now for an elastic prescription glasses/goggles setup. Knowing that, is the Nightcap still a better option? Also, good to know on the -14 battery life. For some reason, I...
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shoobe01 ·
Nightcap is basically rigged like a soft helmet that is right against your head. Straps come down the same directions, but are close at all times vs coming towards your head from an inch or so away. This mans it will grab onto glasses, and they will eventually get uncomfortable. Helmets... vary. Some work with glasses, some don't. Hence my RX SG1s re-doing years and years ago. May take borrowing or simply trying and seeing what works. I still do earpro, even with suppressors. Especially with...
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WoodenPlank ·
I'd be wearing ear pro anyway, most likely. Going back to the glasses thing - I already have that PT A-Bravo bump helmet. I'd need a better pad kit to fit my noggin (it works fine for short term wear with a camera, which is why I got it, but it sucks to wear for extended amounts of time) and a shroud (which I would need with the Nightcap anyway) - do you think it would be worth just buying a pad kit (and/or maybe a dial adjustable setup) for it over the NC?
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WoodenPlank ·
Another dumb question - Realizing quality isn't going to be anywhere close to an OpsCore, etc - what about the Pro Tec Advanced Tactical? It's got a molded in shroud and Arc rails (not that I really need those, it seems), and what appears to be a better liner/pad system - all for less than what a better pad and adjustable harness system for my existing A-Bravo would cost. I'm all for 'buy once, cry once' but when this is a purely recreational setup, is the extra cost for an OpsCore or...
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XTCBX ·
I use a TW bump and ballistic for my PVS14 at work. They are super comfortable. I also have a SF illuminator that I can mount / remove as needed on a pretty slick Velcro backed plate thingy (Echoarms?). I like having the illumination up there, it points where I’m looking, seems good for searching and walking around (what I actually do rather than shooting under NODs). For primarily shooting / fighting I would probably also want illumination on the rifle (integrated into the aiming device).
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WoodenPlank ·
With this mainly being intended for hog and coyote hunting at night, the illuminator being on my head and pointing where I look was part of my thought process originally. I guess I will have to see how badly I really need one once I have everything set up.
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XTCBX ·
Yea, if you’re not concerned about an opposing force that is NV capable I see no downside to it. But, if there is I’d love to hear about it...seems to work well for me and what I’m doing seems similar to what you’re going to be using it for. I think of it like searching with a WML, kinda bad form using your gun to point at stuff you’re not planning on blasting and why I carry multiple lights at work along with WMLs on all my guns. Options are good.
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MOJONIXON ·
I think Longeye has a bump helmet with the old Surefire M1 IR illuminator attached as XTCBX describes. Kahana borrowed it at Hogpocalypse II earlier year. I believe the helmet was set up with either a PVS-7 or more likely a PVS-14. I don’t recall which helmet it was. The set up seemed to serve Kahana well. @Longeye pick up the phone, you’re being called.
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WoodenPlank ·
Yeah, last I checked, hogs and yotes don't shoot back, and don't have NV to see where I am set up. The flip side is if I am out with someone else also running NV, an illuminator will help with identifying each other if we're not in close proximity (by seeing the other guys illuminator, not by pointing at each other). Thanks for tagging him in. I know just enough about this stuff to be dangerous (and that I want it), so the more info the better.
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XTCBX ·
The light Kahana used was the one I brought on the echo arms plate...he told me it worked good. I like the setup because I can easily swap it from my bump to my ballistic helmet and like in this case, hand it off to someone if needed. My ballistic also has a small Princeton Tech MPLS IR light mounted that throws enough light indoors (dissipates too much outdoors for anything other than close up work or basic navigation on a moonless night) to seem like I flipped a light switch under NODs...
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MOJONIXON ·
I'm right there with you on the dangerous part, knowledgewise. I've learned much over the past year or so and had lot's of info from SHOOBE01 to absorb. I went a different route than originally planned. I got a Pulsar N550 Scope, so it has its drawbacks for sure, like you have to be pointing the rifle at whatever you want to see. It does have on board IR illumination but my WML has integrated IR, too, and in my limited testing so far my WML illuminator is better. I have a 9 hour extended...
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XTCBX ·
Thermal is awesome. I have an assigned TAM14 that I use a lot at night to find people hiding in the brush, works much better than NODs.
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WoodenPlank ·
I'm hoping that the optic company that sponsors me on the PRS (and I do a good bit of product testing and consult behind the scenes) actually comes out with the thermal scopes they announced at SHOT. While I am not holding my breath, if they actually happen, I will be getting one of those to augment the -14. The thermal will be run on my suppressed 18" gasser when distance is called for, and the -14 will get paired with my SBR (either helmet or weapon mounted and paired with rifle mounted...
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shoobe01 ·
If you need to keep track of shooting buddies, do not rely on forward-facing flashlights. They will be turned off a lot when shooting etc. Get something on the back of your shirt, or more likely helmet etc. Anyone have a good idea? Love it if there was an IR Spark. Or NiteIze made IR versions of their things. I mostly just use red blinkies on the back of vehicles or helmets for range safety lights but last I checked animals can see red so, not so helpful. When I need something between MS2000...
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shoobe01 ·
Anyone used this exact helmet with nice mounts? I have heard iffy things about shroud/mount compatibility here and there, even from good brands.. E.g. gave up and sold one of you a very shiny Wilcox shroud that should have worked well with my Wilcox mount but no. Never quite wanted to work with each other.
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WoodenPlank ·
Yeah, a top-mounted chem light or beacon would be part of the plan if at all possible. I actually have some IR chem lights, but I have heard they are near useless.
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WoodenPlank ·
Also, here's a link to the Pro Tec Advanced if anyone wants to see it.
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XTCBX ·
Looks nice, but I be a little nervous about hanging a multi thousand dollar tube / mount off that interface without some solid feedback...hopefully you’ll get some.
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WoodenPlank ·
Yeah, no shit. That would be a point in favor of the A-Bravo I already have, or the Nightcap - throw a Wilcox shroud on the front of it with some better pads inside and go from there.
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shoobe01 ·
Nope, love IR chemlights. Even the tiny ones are visible very far away. Or... up close if you hide them in a little hole. Size is great. Cyalumes are maybe the only thing I deal with regularly that has a no-shit dead serious shelf life. Okay, silicone also. Anyway, they will go bad. Keep in airtight wrappers, store like other chemicals: away from heat, light, etc. We were trying to use some ~10 year old minis we forgot about in the back of a nice storage closet and got about 95% failure...
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Longeye ·
Woodenplank, Your PT Bravo can work, but swapping the single jawstrap for a true chinstrap system like the Ops Core H nape will make the helmet ride better with the weight of the -14 cantilevered off the front. If you do that you will have to drill mounting holes and provide your own fasteners, since the Ops Core fasteners are designed to have the thickness of a ballistic helmet included. I have a PT Bravo, an Ops Core Bump, and a Gentex HST cut ballistic helmet. I used the PT helmet for...
 
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