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ALERRT 1 & 2 Miami, FL 06/04-06/07/2018

BrooklynBacon ·
I tried my best not to give away all of the TTP’s, but most of it is public information anyways. This week, I had the pleasure of attending ALERRT 1 & 2, hosted by City of Miami Police Department. They made the intelligent decision to marry the courses together over a one week timespan, so the concepts are brought together in its entirety. I have taken ALERRT 1 approximately 8 years ago. So, I wanted to see the updates, if any, to the course. A little background, I am a certified LASER...
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Night vision and Aiming systems

Longeye ·
This thread is for discussion of night vision and the related aiming systems. There are a number of posts scattered around LF, but as far as I can see there is not a single dedicated topic. In the aftermath of Hogpocolypse, it struck me that a consolidated topic would be useful. As I find links to individual posts I will add them in this first post. So, any comments, questions or observations about buying, using, or setting up NVG devices and the associated IR aiming and illumination systems...
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Glock factory zero and sight picture

Thanatos ·
Hey guys, I have 2 gnat's-ass questions about pistol sight pictures and factory zero distance. 1. At what range are factory Glock sights zeroed (assuming here that most/all standard-height aftermarket sights would follow suit if properly installed). 2. Within the sight picture at the zeroed distance, does the bullethole in the target bisect the top edge of the front sight post, or sit behind the post centered in the white dot? If the latter, at what range should I set the target for a...
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DBAL A 3-

micahSS ·
Question for anybody who would know if this is possible: From my research I understand that the high power (class 3) lasers are legal for civilian ownership, but nobody will sell them to a civilian. I do not want comments of 'why do you need that' , 'you'll void your warrant' or other general thoughts. I have a Class 1 Dbal A3 civilian version with the IR illuminator and slaved green laser. The laser is plenty suitable for my needs, but I find the IR illuminator severely lacking. Per the...
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Re: ALERRT 1 & 2 Miami, FL 06/04-06/07/2018

X-ray Dave ·
Hall Boss, like that term. Gotta be a patch in there, too. Thanks for posting the overview, Dave
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Re: ALERRT 1 & 2 Miami, FL 06/04-06/07/2018

djohn ·
Informative and encouraging - thanks for the review(s)!
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jnc36rcpd ·
Could you tell if I and II were co-mingled? We did ALERRT 1 and didn't cover stairs at all.
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BrooklynBacon ·
We did stairs in part 1. All the tactics were in the first part. Part 2 was strictly medical and full spectrum response.
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ggammell ·
Stairs are not in the level one lesson plan. He whole hung is literally modular so its not surprising that they put all the Tactical together.
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jnc36rcpd ·
Thanks, guys. I recently received criticism from command staff who didn't attend the training that I used the railings on stairs rather than ascent/descent tactically when the stairway component was "Group 1, meet us upstairs."
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Re: ALERRT 1 & 2 Miami, FL 06/04-06/07/2018

Jeff22 ·
I've noticed when going through any kind of training like this, many officers can easily conceptualize working in a two officer team (because we do it all the time) but if you get to three or four officers, the wheels eventually fall off because we don't practice it enough. Both places I work recently got ballistic shields that will stop handgun rounds, and there is a debate on how to integrate the shields into a two officer response to an active shooter. (I think in many cases I'd rather...
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Re: ALERRT 1 & 2 Miami, FL 06/04-06/07/2018

jnc36rcpd ·
I've never been to the training, but I recall ATF training for three agent entries. As I remember, they felt that was a realistic number for a search and allowed for OK 360 coverage. I really liked the concept as it seemed realistic for us. You certainly wouldn't want to do a planned high-risk warrant service that way, but I think you could extrapolate that from clearing an alarm call to active shooter. I agree with Jeff on shields. They are great to have in specific situations such as...
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Re: ALERRT 1 & 2 Miami, FL 06/04-06/07/2018

ggammell ·
Shields. Bought by the same people who don't understand how armor levels work. Sometimes the best shield is speed and/or just being able to move.
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BrooklynBacon ·
To be honest, I don’t even like employing shields really. It slows guys down, and has too much of a mythical value behind it. I favor speed, over the shield.
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Re: ALERRT 1 & 2 Miami, FL 06/04-06/07/2018

ggammell ·
Yeah but the command boners supervisors get when they get to broadcast “wait for a shield”
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Re: ALERRT 1 & 2 Miami, FL 06/04-06/07/2018

aegis305 ·
Heads up guys: Thousands of First Responders Exposed in ALERRT Breach https://www.tomshardware.com/n...forcement,37387.html First responders strive to quickly eliminate pressing threats, but a newly exposed data breach has placed these officials in some peril of their own. A breached database used by the Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training (ALERRT) center at Texas State University has exposed the personal information of tens of thousands of participants. ZDNet reported that the...
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Re: ALERRT 1 & 2 Miami, FL 06/04-06/07/2018

HomoSepian ·
Jiminey Christmas... who uploads a database to a random server and doesn't at least password-protect it? It should be encrypted at rest anyway
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Jeff22 ·
Somebody's gonna get yelled at . . .
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Re: Glock factory zero and sight picture

Back Spin ·
-25 yards is a good distance to have your sights zero’d. 15 yards would also suffice if that’s the farthest your range went. -Different ammo may have different zero. For example, out of a Gen4 Glock 17, 115 grain ammo may print a different POI than 147 grain ammo -Some guns print high/low out of the box, regardless of ammo. Your front sight height would be the easiest change to dictate elevation. You may need to change your front sight height to get your desired POA/POI relationship. (Sight...
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Re: Glock factory zero and sight picture

Brock01 ·
IIRC Glock does not give an accuracy guarantee. However, if you send one in for work, it has to shoot (5rds?) inside a 2" circle at 15m before it leaves their hands. This came from the armorer's course/ instructor workshop I attended about two years ago.
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darbywpd ·
My understanding is that you could adjust the lasers on the SIRT pistol. I will check the owners manual when I get home. Did you get any of the manuals with the device?
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Thanatos ·
@darbywpd It did come with manuals, and you are correct re: laser adjustment. I was just trying to figure out which rdistance to a zero at. However, on further testing, the laser point of impact relative to the sight picture is jumping around wildly between shots, and there’s something rattling inside the gun. Also, the laser adjustment set screws are very loose. I’m returning it. I heard the SIRTs had some questionable QC when they first came out. I’m wondering if I got a first-run lemon. I...
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Re: DBAL A 3-

FastSS ·
Just for information, I've seen a pretty significant change on my newest -A3 (May 2017 production IIRC): Old style switch on left, new on right. It also seems like they're using a different sealant (black vs mostly clear). The new switch works better with bare hands, and a hell of a lot better with gloves. Doesn't make much difference to me. In my low speed .civ world I just leave them set to DH. I use the button on the unit for IR, and a tape switch in vis override for vis. Simple and hard...
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hile ·
How the hell did FDA end up in this mess in the first place? I'm genuinely curious. And what's the most legit way to get a non-neutered IR laser?
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MWL ·
I have a few A3s from about a year earlier than that date, and they have the same black switch, but with black sealant. It originally appeared to me that the switch was installed backwards, as the little "pointy bit" on the switch points in the opposite direction to the long white "handle". It seems a bit pointless having it, as the white "handle" points to the correct setting. Another change, is that the green laser is now direct drive, I believe it is called, rather than a converted red...
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shoobe01 ·
Any answer feeds "damn-guvmint" thoughts, but basically because they certified as effective and regulated the sale of IR lasers for various medical treatments way back when. You can't buy an X-Ray machine either but someone will I am sure sell you a tiny hobby X-ray source that is below the FDA limit. Same thing. To them. Irrelevant to the way regs are written what the application is for a designated-dangerous/Rx-only/etc. device. Since there is no demonstrable national security threat, it's...
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FastSS ·
I thought all of the -A3s had direct drive greens... Not saying you're wrong, just saying I'll be irritable. I think the point that isn't actually a point is to engage the... whatever you call that blue screw that I remove so fast that I forget it ever existed within a couple weeks.
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FastSS ·
Pretty much. IIRC lasers in general were medical first, IR needing to be eye safe due to not being able to see it or some shit. Thankfully, for my applications, the laser itself is more than plenty. The illuminator is a little lacking, but it works well enough for my .civ world. But yes, I do feel silly having an eye safe laser showing me where my not so eye safe bullets are going.
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shoobe01 ·
There are some other threads here on eye safety, and they can very much have applicability to you depending on what you do with it even though it points out the dangerous end of the gun. Two obvious instances: FOF. If you use your real gun or gear, then you better have the eye safe block in before you blind the OPFOR or they will have their friends lead them to your apartment and beat you up later. Reflection. Magnification works just fine for magnifying IR laser, so being far away is not...
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MWL ·
Not according to Steiner. I spoke with one of the head guys there at SHOT this year, and he confirmed this. I have his card somewhere, and he told me to contact him directly to confirm any serial numbers as to whether they were direct drive. I believe the changeover started sometime early last year. There is/was an FAQ about it on their site. Basically, if your enclosed literature lists the improved cold temperature range, you have direct drive, and the enhancements that came with it. Regards.
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hile ·
That was my thought exactly. I see the point about the FOF considerations, though.
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FastSS ·
MWL - By some miracle an archaeological dig through the box next to my bed uncovered the box from my first -A3. It is a Jun2015 unit. The temps listed are the same -40 - 65 C The only differences are: The new Technical manual is stapled together rather than bound like the original. The new unit has a 2 year warranty vs the original 3 year. One of the fucking screws WILL NOT come out of the newest -A3. Brand new hex key on an impact made a round hole. A series of fucked screw extractors...
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MWL ·
After you talk to them, if you wouldn't mind posting here, I'd be interested to hear what they say. Regards. Mark
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FastSS ·
If I remember correctly, the current constraints on the IR illuminator are for legalities. The IR lasers have to be eye safe (which is retarded, but that's another discussion). Read further from Romeo7 below. Subjectively speaking, my DBAL-A3 goes out no farther than probably 50 yards. I believe in order to get solid throw, you're going to need to go with LEDs for readily available solutions. Edited, more below
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micahSS ·
I don't think it's illegal to own a high power one, it's just that no manufacturer will sell them for liability reasons- because we all know civilians can't be trusted.... I don't dig the LED's because they glow red. Just irks me.
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Romeo7 ·
It's not illegal to own a high powered IR laser device. Lot's of people own ones acquired before the FDA decided to ban the sale of them to civilians. Some folks were lucky enough to buy units surplussed from police departments or other government agencies. G & R Tactical had a couple of lots of DBALs that they sold years back. The FDA has since cracked down on that and other loopholes. Used to, an individual LEO or .mil guy could buy a laser on agency or organization letterhead and have...
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FastSS ·
I don't dig the LED glow either, but it is what it is. The IR illum on my DBAL-A3 is just fine for my purposes. I previously stated 75 yards, but dialed it back to 50. My test conditions were what I consider "normal", which is less than optimal. If I'm being honest, I could see better without the illuminator due to the city lit overcast sky. *Edit to add: If the A3 illum did anything under those conditions, it would cause the PVS-14 to throttle back (highly technical term) leaving the spot...
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micahSS ·
" One last very important note! If you do acquire a high powered laser aiming device be careful about talking about it online or in real life. This especially applies to PEQ-2, and PEQ-15 ATPIAL owners. The Feds have agents assigned to a task force that scour gun boards and other gathering places looking for these items. They, the agents themselves, have posted on ARFCOM that ANY PEQ-2 or PEQ-15 is stolen US government property and will be seized ASAP. I'm not going to go into the right or...
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treehopr ·
Why not just get a DBAL D2?
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Mumbles ·
The FDA specifically said it's You've misread, the FDA specifically says it's not illegal for civilians to own high power IR. It's illegal for civilians to buy stolen government IR, and it's illegal for manufacturers to sell high power IR lasers to civilians. But if it's in your possession, and it was never gov't property, you're fine. I can't see any scenario where modifying a legally purchased Class 1 laser would be illegal as long as it's just for personal use and you're not making a...
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Re: Night vision and Aiming systems

LobsterClaw207 ·
Hey there - I read and searched, but info is scattered and somewhat dated (that I could find). What's up with the DBAL for an IR/vis laser and illuminator? I see several different versions when I Google, but it's hard for me to tell which is which. All my experience is with the ATPIAL/PEQ-2/PEQ-15 type lasers. This would be a civilian legal version (whichever that is), despite the purchaser being a full time LEO using it on his duty rifle, he can't go through the PD to purchase.
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Re: Night vision and Aiming systems

MOJONIXON ·
From what little I know there are red vis and Ir with illuminator, green vis and ir with illuminator. And there may be both of those but without the Illuminator. It’s been a while since I was searching up all the permutations, so I could be a little bit wrong. The main difference that played around in my head was red versus green for the vis laser.
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XTCBX ·
The only DBALs that have all (Vis, IR pointer and IR illuminator) are the A3 & 4 and D2. The i2 is only available with Vis (green or red) / IR pointer or IR pointer / IR illuminator. The CQBL has a Vis (red only) & IR pointer that are slaved (like the 3&4) but no illuminator. Clear as mud?
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LobsterClaw207 ·
Very confusing. I'm looking at the DBAL-I2 on optics planet, and it appears to have green laser, IR laser, and IR illuminator? Or am I misreading.... https://www.opticsplanet.com/l...de=LD-LS-DBL2RG-9003
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XTCBX ·
Yea, you’re misreading that. DBAL-I2 you get 2 things: Vis laser, IR laser OR IR laser, IR illuminator. DBAL-A3 you get 3 things: Vis laser, IR laser & IR illuminator. DBAL-A4 you get 4 things: Vis laser, IR laser, IR illuminator & white light.
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MOJONIXON ·
And that probably is the hierarchy of cost, too. 4 things is > than 3 things is > than 2 things. I think though that even with the I2 the lasers are slaved so when you zero your vis laser your IR laser is zeroed as well.
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XTCBX ·
No, the I2 lasers are not slaved. The CQBL-1 has slaved lasers though (but the Vis is only available in red). If you want a truly do everything unit the MAWL looks hard to beat. I was very impressed when I played around with Ridgedog’s unit (phrasing!) at Hogopocolips.
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MOJONIXON ·
Ok. Learned something’s today. 1) I2’s aren’t slaved, and, 2) RD lets people play with his unit. . I’d love to have a MAWL, but currently a little spendy for me. I could afford one but don’t have a professional need for one, though that doesn’t preclude one from having one.
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LobsterClaw207 ·
Ah yes, I scrutinized some more and see now. XTCBX thanks that is the most clear I've seen it explained. The MAWL is awesome but outside of this dude's budget at the current time...
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WyattT ·
You can get full power peq on instagram with paperwork showing they aren't stolen pretty easily for about 1800
 
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