If you're talking about the TR24, then I'd say that it's arguably one of the best 1-4 variable power scopes on the market. That's not to say it's without any short comings, but after factoring in the Pros & Cons of the TR24 in comparison with the Pros/Cons of its competition... I'd say that it's pretty hard to beat. Here's a relevant video I found, I think it's worth taking a few minutes to watch it:
Terran Butler has been winning competitions with Accupoints for years...on his recommendation I tried one but could not get used to it. I lost too much time up close to make up for the gains I was getting with it at distance. I just couldn't get used to looking through the tube for quick snap shots inside of 25-50 yards. It really came down to a matter of not spending enough time with it to become competitive with it over my T-1 and being as that is what is on my work gun. I didn't want to...
So I picked up a shotgun and I was going to use it for a "bump in the night gun." It already has the pic rail along wth XS DX sights installed. I am thinking of putting a red dot on it, because cross eye dominance. I know aimpoint is the go to, but I would like to avoid dropping that much cash. Another point I kind of like the acss concept with a shotgun, use the horseshoe for buckshot, the graduated chevrons for slugs. I don't think PA is ready for prime time , and I not even sure if their...
Aimpoint H1-T1-T2 series. Or if on a budget, a used Comp M2 or maybe PRO. I have used cheap RDS and had a lot of trouble with electronics, dot flicker and recoil reset when employed in the 12 gauge. I don't see those problems with the H-1, T-1, T-2 series. The shotgun separates the men from the boys when you start adding RDS. Many RDS are not up to the task. Aimpoint is.
Aimpoint Micro H1. Cheapest Micro and easiest to find deals on. I have been running an Aimpoint of shotguns for about 15 years starting with a Comp M2. It is the only way to go. Eliminates cross eye dominance, does not need to be turned on when you get that bump in the night, and will easily handle shotgun recoil. It is a great investment for the serious social shotgun.
No experience with optics on a gauge , but I will caution against going vortex if your looking for a cheaper option. We tried a SPARC on the scout mount of a 18" 45-70 guide gun , I didn't last 10 rounds before flickering then complete electronic failure. To my perception the 45-70 recoils less than a gauge with 3" SD loads
I don't have the XS DX sights for reference, but with some of the others I do have the H-1/T-1 also allow me to co-witness the sights, like LPA's. I found that the Micros allowed me to have a lower cheek weld also than the Insight/EoTech MRDS or RMR's also. While we provided over 200 MRDS's for a contract, I would recommend the Micros over the MRDS/RMR.
We killed an RM06 on an 870 pretty quickly. No input on the MRO. When it comes to the "gauge", I would go with Dagga. I know, via Doc's input, that RMRs have and do work, just wasn't my experience. Sample size of one. Take it for what its worth.
Had them on 14" Mossberg 590's for a few years as our Less Lethal guns. I take it as a clue when the first gun requested/drawn out is the lone 590 that still has the iron ghost ring sights. All but one sight had problems and would be deadlined and/or shipped back to the mfg. in their short tenure. That's sad for guns that didn't see much use, were low recoil and were stored in a heated squad car bay most of the time. If it's not going to cost you anything, go for it. I shot ours quite...
I have three Aimpoint Micro H-1's mounted on shotguns, all are the older 4 MOA model. That size dot is not an issue for me at shotgun ranges. One is on an 870 Police Magnum, one on a 12.5" 870 SBS, and the third on a Beretta 1301 Tactical. All three have handled lots of slug and buckshot loads with no issues at all. As Darryl said, they can be found used on Equipment Exchanges for around $400.
I tested a PA RBG-II on my SBS. It held up well after 300 rounds, and held zero. At a later time, I put it on one of my 12.5 Noveske barreled SBR's to test durability and zero, and it has held up well after about 1000 rounds. It is still on that SBR. The caveat is that I put the PA into a LaRue LT751 before putting it on the SBR, which eliminated the holding/return to zero variable. The RBG-II and its push button brother are the least optic I would put on any rifle or shotgun,,, Vortex being...
I have used several optics on semi and pump shotguns. One is an RMR that pulls multiple duties, and the other is a Vortex Venom, as seen here on my 930. It does co-witness so a zero confirmation is as easy as taking a sight picture. Thus far, it has not drifted zero or failed with the rounds I have fired from the 930. No longer being on patrol, my gear mostly protects the trunk of my Impala.
I really wish the Eotech was a good sight. The reticle is 65moa in diameter, so that is 65" at 100 yds. At 25 yds, which is generally accepted as the maximum range for buckshot with a cylinder bore choke, the ring will subtend a shade over 16". If you've got a tighter choke, or some work by Hans Vang, your shot spread would be pretty close to the reticle diameter at any range up to 25 yds, maybe a bit more. Anyway, my theory is that your shooting will be faster and more accurate if you knew...
Every EOtech I have seen show up on one of my shotgun ranges either had dead batteries out of the case, or died hard mid course. Same for the EOtechs that showed up on UMP .40 subguns. I owned a FDE revision F briefly. It would not hold zero, but I chalked that up to the integral ARMS mount. EOtech sights are technically novel paperweights. My 870 SBS project will end up with a T1 sight eventually.
H1 has a mount made to go on a rail. It has a 2 MOA dot. The S1 is made to mount on the rib of specific vent rib shotguns. It is currently a 6 MOA dot. I wish it was four.....others want 9 MOA. When they hit the country in the next few months I will be running one on an M2 Benelli 3 gun to try in multiple shotgun disciplines.
I actually heard Basic/Roland/Chuck say in the most recent P&S modcast (yeah, he's back) that one place where the Eotech actually worked well was as a secondary to laser w/ helmet mounted nvd. Apparently looking through a tube (scope or Aimpoint) and the photons getting through (or lack of) made for a bad sight picture where it did not for the Eotech. Just wanted to share that nugget since it's the only objective time an Eotech functionally beat out an Aimpoint.
I will pile on here to say that I have been very satisfied with the Shield I have on my 300BLK sbr. I have been itching to throw one on an 870 - the minimal footprint and mass seem like a good fit for the role - but I haven't been able to convince myself to drop the cash on another one. The outer ring is EOTech-esq, and is nice but less solid. I have the reticle subtensions somewhere, but I can't seem to lay my hands on them at the moment.
I have a friend that is/was rep'ing the Shield sights which offer some of the EoTec ringed options: http://www.shieldpsd.com/portf...able-interface-sight I have not personally done much with them beyond handling them, but he is quite taken with them. Wanted me to substitute them as or aiming module in our shotgun kits. http://www.shieldpsd.com/shop-...ace-sight-center-dot
This ^^^^^^ I do the same thing. Makes a nice little Ghost ring. I took the optic off (I was using an Insight MRDS I took off an ACOG with an ADM mount) for a shotgun class to just test out the Mesa rail with front bead set up. It worked great. Ringing reduced sized steel IPSC targets at 100 yards with boring regularity and a patterned a nice group on paper.
Thanks for the input. My 870 has tritium rifle sights, do you think my rear sight be visible using the Mesa rail? I originally planned to give the KE arms micro mount a try to get the optic as low as possible to be able to use the irons as backup should the micro go down.
I liked it. The rail is a "see under" so you get a little backup sight picture of the square formed by the rail on the top of the receiver, and the front bead. Very solid both as a mount and shot shell holder.
Here is a update, I settled on a aimpoint H1 4MOA . Since this was a life and liberty build, I did not want to experiment with MRO, RMR, and the like. I also found a deal at a local gun store. Thank you for your input.
Looking to build a rifle and have most of it planned out. Need help finding the perfect optic. Looking for ideas. I have and used Mark 4, US Optic TPAL, NF, and Trijicon. Trying to find out what people prefer and why for my next purchase. Any help would be appreciated.
Vortex Razor Gen II! Produced in either 3-18, or 4.5-27 magnification, tough, durable, repeatable, high-quality glass, optical clarity, range of magnification, number of serious competition shooters use it. It also has an unconditional lifetime warranty. Feel free to take it out of the box, throw it down the highway, drive over it 20 times, send it in, and enjoy the awesome CS given by the guys at Vortex when they either repair, or replace your optic. Ive used 2 of them now on a few hard use...
Ok I have a donor rifle of a Rem 700 SPS Varmint. Looking to put a KRG Whiskey 3 chassis on it with a Timney Calvin Elite trigger. The use of the rifle will be shooting long distance and fun most of the time but also used for hunting. I know you can't just buy a scope without placing hands on it. I wanted to narrow it down to what I want to look at and possibly ones that I haven't heard or thought of before. Love my NF they are great scopes but out of the ones I own I like USO best. I...
Test driving glass for your rifle is not something that can be done over the internet. Kinda like you cannot test drive a car over the internet. You can narrow the choices based on info and opinions, but at some point you will have to go hands on and make a decision based on what you actually see balanced out by the research you have done. Try to locate someone who has a rifle set up similar to what you are trying setup and see if you can get hands on. Just understand that it is not uncommon...
S&B and Hensoldt for me but there are quite a few good ones out there. As mentioned above, what do you want to do exactly as this may guide you to one or another. I have heard nothing but positive things about Vortex. I’ve owned Nightforce and while I think their glass is good but not great, they are built like a brick shithouse. Dont sleep on Kahles or Steiner Military either. Im a mil/mil guy but that doesn’t matter to some. FFP? SFP? Depends as well Reticle wise H59s rock. I’ve become...
Have you looked at the info from the precision rifle blog yet? There are several articles and tests on precision scopes. I have a Schmidt & Bender PMII on my AI but also have Leupold, NF and Vortex on other precision rifles. http://precisionrifleblog.com/
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