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CWM11B ·
Never heard of it either (bolla) but can see a few issues, and some scenarios where stating it is "non lethal" could bite you in the ass: Aim high in a stressful situation and bolla wrap some dude around the neck? Hello garrote wrap. Wrap some dude up and they fall just right and die (happened in at least one taser case) or they get wrapped up at height and fall to their death (another taser case) Intermediate barrier/unseen object interference with the line Damn thing sounded like a gunshot...
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DevilDogSoldier ·
Probably liability... Wrap a neck. Less control over flying fish hooks than taser barbs. Fish hooks grabbing into an "energetic" subject/suspect.
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libertarian45 ·
...so, what happened to the Bolla-Wrap in the video? I'd never heard of it. Epic fail?
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stray round ·
What is old becomes new again. There was the 38spl Police with a 200gr and a Webley 38 Super Police with a 200 gr. Interested to see DocGKR's results and a lot of rounds go down range but until then I see a trick bullet with a trick casing coupled with the possibility of too deep a penetration when it doesn't expand. Everyone has good ideas until it is tried for real.
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David Reeves ·
I think waiting for Doc to have the chance to wring these out and write up the results is a good plan. I would imagine his ballistics testing lineup gets pretty deep every year after SHOT though.
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CWM11B ·
Yeah, I'm waiting for Doc. Or not. Why? These are the questions I asked multiple vendors in my former life in procuring weapons and ammo for my agency. These same questions apply to the individual end user as well: 1. What does this do that my current round doesnt? 2. What us your production capacity? 3. What is s your delivery time? 4. What is your QC? 5. Who are your backers? I also would make this comment: In order for me to consider your product, it has to perform exactly like my current...
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Chameleox ·
Same arguments were used against the TASER and most impact munitions. Every less lethal tool requires training and policy. Otherwise stupid happens. Full disclosure: my agency is T&Eing the Bolawrap, and I’ve taken 2 deployments, including one in shorts to see how the barb/weights penetrate and bruise (it does both). We’re still figuring out where it’s going to fit, if anywhere. Not perfect, but we are seeing if it can fill a gap. It is loud, though.
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stray round ·
Oh, loved that movie when I was a youngster too. You guys had a net! That is too cool. I know of a few street corners where that could have been used to good effect. Hmmm, thinking about "Hatari" there might be a use for a seat mounted on one of the front quarter panels of a cruiser and a long pole with a loop...
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XTCBX ·
I’ve been wanting a net gun for years, pretty much all we do is foot pursuits. I’ve also offered to buy our horse patrol guys a big net so that they can go all Planet of the Apes on groups...as long as they let me watch.
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jnc36rcpd ·
Baltimore City had a less-lethal car in each district if I recall correctly. The unit was armed with a net-gun, a fire-extinguisher sized OC can, a Tasertron taser, and some type of a projectile launcher. (PostCar or others, it's been years since I did the research. If you know better, please join in.) Some of these things work well in some circumstances, but they are not "Phasers on stun" As CWM11B posits, they are less likely to be effective against an actively resisting subject. In the...
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Self Defense Game Changer?

Cytez ·
This caught my eye from SHOT 2019. Those are some BIG bullets they're pushing around. Granted, sub sonic velocity, but if what they're saying about ballistic gel Penetration is correct, definitely Game changing rounds. I would love to hear what DocGKR has to say about this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr1xY2-C0BM
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David Reeves ·
And don't forget.. Once a break thru is made, there will be a hue-and-cry for its banning. Remember the Black Talon (which was a decent product mixed with a bit of marketing genius albeit at the wrong time..)
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jnc36rcpd ·
I'm actually hopeful that the Bola Wrap may have some value if--and I heavily emphasize if--used in the right circumstances. When the Air Taser (predecessor of the Taser M-26, X-26, and later versions) was introduced, it seemed to work every time. Now we have a 50-60% success rate with what are theoretically better products. I will posit that the Taser started as a specialized tool carried by officers who likely volunteered for the program and had an interest in less-lethal weapons. We were...
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stray round ·
It is still in the market, the "gun" is $925. Price plus CWM11B's post is probably why it will wither on the vine. I will admit during foot pursuits or situations that were about to develop into one, wanting a light portable device that would shoot a net to capture the suspect. wraptechnologies.com
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CWM11B ·
We, no shit, had a "capture net" back in the day. Don't know who bought it. We actually tried to set it up once to see how it worked. What a clusterfuck. Think monkey capture scene in "Hatari" (Google it you youngsters. I loved it when I was a kid and still watch it occasionally) only without the desired effect.
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CWM11B ·
I don't disagree Chamelox, but the issues need to be discussed. All of the LL options you mentioned were also touted as "lifesavers" which would all but end the need for deadly force. They generally reduced injuries, and were good tools, right up until the agenda driven decided they weren't, facts be damned. One of the huge problems we face with these tools is the laymen believe they are a panacea, and that there should be zero injuries to arrestees. Ever. Another issue I see is regional. I...
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David Reeves ·
There have been a couple trends that seem to repeat.. Light projectile, crazy high MV. Heavy projectile, high MV Super Heavy projectile, moderate MV What NO ONE talks about is how getting these combinations jacks with chamber pressures at near danger levels and how rough that is on pistol components. I'll give you an example.. I can handload new nickle brass with a 200gr projectile to 1700fps for 10mm. As long as I am willing to ignore all the over pressure signs, throw the now unsafe to...
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