My four month old Salomons were pretty much trashed a week or so ago on a rescue/hazmat incident, so HH6 gave the go ahead for new boots.

I ordered a pair of the new 2018 Salomon XA Forces Mid GTX in black from optactical.  Process was painless and quick as is the norm for those folks.  

The new boots are, for me, a huge improvement over the older model.  Granted, much of this is subjective.

First, the width.  The old Salomons were constantly tight on me and I could only wear super thin Smartwool socks with them.  Anything thicker and they became painful.  I occasionally had an issue with a plantar faciatis type pain with the older ones, but that wasn't unusual for me.  This wasn't anything remarkable new as I fall between a regular and wide width shoe, depending on the shoe cut.

The new ones are exceptionally comfortable.  The width is perfect.  Thus far I've worn them with both thin Smartwool socks and thicker Wigwam socks and both fit comfortable.  I'd say the width on these is much closer to what we as westerners are used to in a regular width shoe cut.

Second, the sole.  One of my gripes with my older Salomons is that there were times I felt like I was walking on a wooden block.  The new ones feel much more like a hiking/tactical boot, in fact very similar to my under armor boots in terms of sole flexibility and comfort.  Granted I'm not rucking or running anymore but climbing in and out of an aircraft and standing on scenes for extended periods of time these, subjectively, feel much more comfortable.

Third and finally, again subjectively, ankle support.  My older Salomons reay felt like they locked my ankles into place.  While this may seem like a good point, I started finding myself with some discomfort because of how supportive they were.  The newer ones seem to be more flexible but I still feel like I have the support of a quality boot.

Anyway, ranting over.  I know it's very subjective, but to a relatively new Salomon user (around 5 months total now) these seem like a big improvement over the older models in terms of all day comfort.

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I followed the instructions on the sizing chart at optactical and measured out at a size 11.   I ordered just a plain size 11 from there and it fits me some where between a regular and wide. 

In military boots I'm an 11W, in merrells a 12, in under armor a 12W

Which model were you wearing previously?

My Domestic Boss is trying to get me to trash my current Salomon 4D GTXs, after I had to put a chest tube in a guy this week, and about a half-liter of some nasty exudate gushed out onto my pants/boots.  I dropped the pants in the hospital laundry, and washed off the boots, but she's pretty concerned about the potential Biohazard.

And I'm pushing back on trashing them... because I love these boots. 

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I followed the instructions on the sizing chart at optactical and measured out at a size 11.   I ordered just a plain size 11 from there and it fits me some where between a regular and wide. 

In military boots I'm an 11W, in merrells a 12, in under armor a 12W

I went a half size up with the older model, primarily looking for more width.  Would you recommend doing the same with the 2018 model?

I just picked up a pair of the '18 XA Forces Mid (non gtx) last week.  Fit is perfect, very comfortable. I did not have the older ones, but tried them on a few times and find the wider toe box is a better fit.  Salomon's are a bit of a weird fit for me, as I need a 12.5 in them (and could never find the mids in stock anywhere in that size), while I take a 13 in just about everything else. The only other boots I've had that have been this good of a fit out of the box for me, were my 1st gen (US made) Oakley SI desert boots (and those were 13w).

I just bought my fourth pair of black Forces Mids right before they released the new ones

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The coyote is definitely an improvement over the 'burro brown'. Now that I've got over last nights 'buyer's remorse' I'm looking forward to getting mine and testing them in the Kyrenia mountains in April. They also seem a lot more robust based just on looks.

Apparently they have used the same foot last as the Quest 4D boot, so the 2018 XA is 6mm wider in the toe box than the previous XA model for you hobbitses.

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My Domestic Boss is trying to get me to trash my current Salomon 4D GTXs, after I had to put a chest tube in a guy this week, and about a half-liter of some nasty exudate gushed out onto my pants/boots.  I dropped the pants in the hospital laundry, and washed off the boots, but she's pretty concerned about the potential Biohazard.

And I'm pushing back on trashing them... because I love these boots. 

If you are forced to change, I'd recommend the 5.11 XPRT 3.0 boots. Very similar fit and feel to the Salomon 4D GTX and have  eVent lining which 5.11 claims is BBP protective as well as waterproof. I love my Salomon 4Ds for wet-weather wear but I find I am wearing the 5.11s more and more often. I've not been a fan of 5.11s other footwear iterations but these, so far, rock.

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I've switched pretty much exclusively to 4Ds as a K9 handler. The wider sole base really does a great job preventing ankle rolling; like a squat shoe. I haven't worn the 3Ds since 2013ish? They were an ok patrolman's boot except that the sole wore thru quick and when I jumped to K9 the body got thrashed.  But I picked up the 2018 version after reading that the body materials were changed to those of the 4D and the sole was redone. They do feel like the little brother now. I'm saving them for warmer weather but am excited to see how they hold up.

I picked up a set of the 4D Quests a couple of weeks ago and can't say enough good things about them.  They replaced my Danners which shit the bed on me.  I expected more of a hiking boot feel, but these feel more like wearing a pair of sneakers.  As to sizing, I've always been a 9D in Danners and the 9 Salomon a Quests fit the same.  These are going to be my cold/wet wax boots.  Gonna pick a pair of the XAs for the warmer months.

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Lightfighter posted:

We haven't updated our web with the updated forces line, but we've sold some and people are happy. I don't have any first hand experience with the fit compared to my other Salomons, but I do especially like the new colors.

When are you going to have the new ones posted up?

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Lightfighter posted:

We haven't updated our web with the updated forces line, but we've sold some and people are happy. I don't have any first hand experience with the fit compared to my other Salomons, but I do especially like the new colors.

When are you going to have the new ones posted up?

If I can take a break from adding Pelican to our system (getting ready for the group buy), I'll try and update Salomon this weekend?

Brad

Do whatever you need to do to keep the bottom line black... my replacement boots can wait (and I already have two other pairs in reserve).  

Do the pelican group buy first.  

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