Halloween sale on here, 20% off. They have regular discount events throughout the year, often at 15% or more.

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ggammell posted:
Judero posted:

Why is there stuff so damn expensive? 

Because it can be. People who don’t know any better buy it by the truck load. 

This.

I have about 8 pair of 5.11 pants. All bought at second hand stores for about 7.00 to 8.00 dollars. All in great shape. I only use them for special details, training or range time. 

I wouldn't pay full price for them. I feel they are over priced.  

 

 

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ggammell posted:
Judero posted:

Why is there stuff so damn expensive? 

Because it can be. People who don’t know any better buy it by the truck load. 

You got to hand it to them, they have a great marketing strategy and campaigns. They've really taken the lead when it comes to taking over the LE and private security market. I remember when it was just the Royal Robins "I've got a gun under here" vest and pants that were their main products, now they do everything.

Every time at work when I see someone with a 5.11 backpack, plate carrier, duty bag, etc I'm thinking, well you don't know shit about shit. I just smile and go about my day. To their credit I think they have some interesting designs and aren't the worst thing out there. I just wouldn't buy their stuff or recommend it to someone who I like or otherwise wanted to steer in the right direction.

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I dare say, I do have a bit of their stuff, and, I DO know shit about shit.  It's about what you plan to use it for, and using those items that work.  Some of their stuff sucks, but some of it does not.  Blanket statements are bullshit when you have a wide range of users and purposes, and they have a wide selection of products.

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DirtySanchez posted:

I dare say, I do have a bit of their stuff, and, I DO know shit about shit.  It's about what you plan to use it for, and using those items that work.  Some of their stuff sucks, but some of it does not.  Blanket statements are bullshit when you have a wide range of users and purposes, and they have a wide selection of products.

I'm not sure if you're directly addressing what I said, but I didn't mean for it to come across as a blanket statement. As I stated they're not the worst thing out there, nor do I mean to say anyone who simply own gear from them doesn't know anything. 

The point I was trying to bring across is when I see guys at work who are decked out from head to toe in their stuff. Partially because a lot of guys here only go to the local uniform store that only stocks 5.11 and they just go nuts from plate carriers, bags, pants, etc.

Maybe I should have been more specific about the fanboys of 5.11. But then again I'm not a fond of fanboys for any company. As you said you should there are a wide range of users and purposes. I just don't like it when they monopolize a large market of LE through successful advertising or pricing since their stuff is made overseas and therefore cheaper. Then again part of the blame falls on cops who are too lazy to research to see what else is out there (i.e. better), or too cheap to spend a little more on equipment for the job.

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Uniforms are ok.  Sizing is a little wonky, depending on what supplier in China they came from.  Some of my uniform pants are like skinny jeans, some MC Hammer.  Our patrol uniforms are 5.11 and we issued the 3-in-1 jacket to new hires.  We're pretty liberal after you get off probation, so as long as it looks good, is patched and is the same color, you can pretty much wear whatever manufacturer coat, shirt or pants without getting your balls busted.  Some like the Elbecco pants (too thin for me), and some are wearing Flying Cross.  It's mostly 5.11 though (we're +/- 100 officers).  Coats go from Blauer, Flying Cross, 5.11 etc.  We authorize the "Pittsburgh style" leather coat too.

I wear the Tac Lite uniforms, because they're serviceable and cheap.  If I tear one or get blood, whatever, it's easy to pitch and replace.  Same thing with the Tac Lite version of the original training pants.  Good enough for the range, training, etc. and cheap enough not to get attached. 

I think their gloves stink (subjective I know).  They fit weird.  I don't care for their boots either.  I don't have any time with the plate carriers or other junk. 

Sample of one, but it does the job for me.  If I stay in the uniform lane, I don't have any complaints price wise or quality.

bestcounsel posted:

I have about 8 pair of 5.11 pants. All bought at second hand stores for about 7.00 to 8.00 dollars. All in great shape. I only use them for special details, training or range time. 

I wouldn't pay full price for them. I feel they are over priced. 

5.11 stuff is over-priced... and their sizing is very hit-or-miss.  I have a bunch of their pants (mostly used for range trips, training classes, etc... I don't use them for general wear), and I swear no two pairs fit quite the same.  It's weird. 

I will say that their old-style canvas shorts are the bomb.  I literally have some pairs that are close to 20 years old, and I'm still wearing them.  That's durability.

For everyday wear, I like the Vertex pants.   I've had all of mine altered by a local uniform shop, so they fit perfectly. 

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It`s not hard to get stuck on 5.11 if you wear a uniform for a living; compared to what most places issue their people, its beyond a step up. I haven`t used alot of their clothing but I love the traverse pants. They are well worth the money in my opinion. 

 

 

 

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Never pay full price, they "update" their designs every few months and blow out the old stock.  LAPOLICE gear close outs are a great place to look.  I wear 5.11 almost daily because it's rugged, comfortable, and cheap.  NOT their "tactical line", but their jeans are great and the long and short sleeve button shirts are non-descript and having snaps instead of buttons is convenient. If you have a store in your area their sidewalk sales are good, and the main site has close outs and free shipping which is hard to beat.  They make a lot more than just tan cargos, which is what everyone seems to associate with the Walter Mitty look.  

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5.11 are like blackhawk. They flood the market with their goods so that every shop store has em. I could go around the block to the local gun store grab a BH serpa holster. I am sure that gun store wont have a Safariland holter or gcode holster. 

Same with 5.11s...I could drive a few miles to Turners outdoorsman and I will find tons of 5.11 gear, expensive too. In fact, there is a 5.11 outlet near me and they are still expensive. 

 

ADK posted:

It`s not hard to get stuck on 5.11 if you wear a uniform for a living; compared to what most places issue their people, its beyond a step up. I haven`t used alot of their clothing but I love the traverse pants. They are well worth the money in my opinion. 

Agree, the traverse pants are awesome.

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Never had any luck with 5.11.  Sizing was never ever consistent, colors came in different shades making a matching uniform difficult, low level customer service sucked but the higher ups were pretty on point, parts fell off of jackets and uniforms as soon as we got then, erc.

As an example, no one ever could find me medium long TDU shirts.  I went all the way to the mid-Atlantic supervisor of something and had her cell number.  Each week for over a month a CASE of uniform shirts showed up at my door (12 shirts) with promises they were medium long, and they never were.  I actually sent photos of 12 shirt side by side and all the sleeve lengths varied by over an inch.

Now, I did love their bike shorts when I worked bike patrol.  A local store had then so I could try them on and make sure they fit.

Not shilling them but first tactical is my current go to for pants for part time EMS gigs.

I have a pair of Traverse 2 for summer hiking.

Several pairs of Apex pants for general wear. Favourite trousers ever

A pair of Defender Flex (my favourite/only jeans).

A pair of XPRT (3?) boots-excellent IMO.

Plus a few other things. Never paid full price. Not a legend in my own lunchtime but they all work for what I want out of them.

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