I like custom pistols.  I like playing around with what you can do, and see what comes out, what works, and what doesn't.  Heck, that probably deserves it's own thread, because I'd love to see what works for other people here when they tweak and poke and outright change.

Anyway, I've owned a few of custom and semi-custom 1911's all in .45.  And Ed Brown, a Guncrafter No Name, 2 Wilsons, a Chuck Rogers, a Dave Berryhill AFP (RIP Dave), and a MARS build.  I've sold all except for the MARS.  But recently I wanted to try a 9mm 1911.  I know, there's sort of a groan in there, but heck it's only money!  And the groaning is sorta justified.

Anyway, I bought a "custom" build Wilson Combat CQB Compact 9mm. Not very custom, but it had an a solid/long trigger, a magwell, serrated rear U sight and a red fiber front and Wilson's flatwire recoil spring kit.  I bought it from Tractus Arms, and they seemed pretty good.  I bought this for fun and for IDPA primarily.  

Side notes, I'm not MIL or LE, but I do train and shoot quite a bit. I try to make 5-7 training courses (normal training and armorer courses) per year, and I typically shoot 1000-2000 rounds per month.  My former career choice has  earned me a number of threats against me an my family, so I try to take it seriously. It's one of the reasons I cam here in the first place.

Here's a couple of pictures of it brand new.

So now that I've got a few thousand rounds through it, I thought I'd post about it.  

First trip to the range and all I was thinking about was all the "I told you so" threads I read here and elsewhere about 9mm 1911's.  This thing was a total fucking $3,500 pile of steaming monkey shit.  In the first 600 rounds, shooting Magtech 124 and Speer GDHP +p 124gr, I had around 70(!) failures.  Normally I log them, but it got so ridiculous I gave up.  Loads of failures to return to battery and failures to extract.  By the end of that I went home alternately beating myself up for spending that much on a lemon but also laughing at myself for spending that much on a lemon.

On the upside I'll say this.  It fits my hand beautifully.  The craftsmanship is nice as one would expect. Trigger is amazing, safety very positive.  And I like the sights a lot.  And a gun that weights almost 3 pounds and shoots 9mm is REALLY nice to shoot, except the thing is like a really expensive, 3 pound single shot pistol.

So, back to my really beautiful donkey, I call Wilson and start talking to them.  On the phone, they were responsive.  I asked what the default recoil spring was, and they said they "think" it was 11#s.  I purchased some different ones (a #12 and a #15 for .38 Super).  They sent me the wrong springs.  Call, try again. Get the right springs.  So I go back to the range.  The thing is still useless with the #12.  And with the #15 it'll shoot the +p reliably, but that's it.  So STILL a shitter. I kept asking for #13 pound springs and they kept not having them in or wouldn't sell them.  They never really told me why. They always SEEMED to want to help, but never really seemed to get things right.  Sent me the wrong things a couple of times. Didn't return calls.  That sorta thing. Not really what I expected from what others have said about Wilson. But that kinda thing doesn't bother me.  I like tinkering and messing around with stuff.  I think they TRIED, but just seemed kinda messy.

Finally, after a couple of more range session of this thing sucking, I talk to a friend who says wilson has new mags, AND are now selling the #13 flatwire recoil springs as standard for this model pistol.  I get some.  And holy hayzeus.  This combo of the new ETM mags and the 13 pound spring seems to have sorted this pistol.  In the last 1200 rounds of Magtech, AE124, and the Speer, I've had exactly one failure.  It's fun as hell.  Recoil is almost nothing, just one of the funnest guns I've ever shot.   And now I think I'll start shooting IDPA with it.  

I'll also say, I didn't think Wilson's finish would be that good.  but after a few thousand rounds, this thing really looks good. It's got the usual scratches and dings, but their finish really seems to hold up. I live in an extremely humid, coastal environment, and these finish seems to hold up. Although I think the shadows in this pic make it look a little less dinged than it actually is.  I don't much care, as I've now set a personal goal to shoot the shit out of this pistol.

Specifics:

Sights: The U shaped "serrated battle rear" is excellent.  Easy to pick up.  the Red FO front is excellent.  The only sight I have that I like better is the large, round gold front sight on my MARS Colt.

Trigger:  For $3,500, the trigger aught to be perfect. It is.

Shooting: Wow, this is about the easiest gun I've owned to put on target and keep on target. Follow up shots are just EASY.

Magwell.  reloads on this are great.  The magwell is very well blended and wide open.

Grips: I like the G10s that it came with, but they could use to be a little more roughly textured.

Barrel: I like the bull barrel, with no bushing.  I'm told it adds weight to the front, which I believe.  and taking the pistol apart is easier than traditional bushings.

Overall, (and I know this has been said) I think if you want a 9mm 1911, you're going to spend some money, if not on the gun, then on finding the various combinations of things that work.  I tried numerous different magazine/recoil-spring/ammunition combinations before I got something I'm satisfied with.  And it's going to take time and work.  If you're looking for something that goes bang out of the box, this experiment isn't for you.  If you're looking to spend some time on the range tinkering, tracking, shooting and repeat, it's a fun thing to get behind.

So it's been an interesting and expensive experiment  So anyone else here run non-.45 1911s?  I'm not sure I'll carry it, simply as a matter of function since it's heavy and holds 8+1.  Does anyone else here carry or use a 9mm 1911 regularly?  What else have you done to it for function or ergos that help?

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Funny enough, had an old guy come into the store yesterday and in the conversation, he mentioned that he had gotten into building 1911's from 80% receivers.  So far, all 9mm.  He had his latest build in the car and he brought it in.  Absolutely beautiful work.  No rattle in the slide, silky smooth action.  Anyway, in our conversation, I brought up the issues that 9mm had in years past.  He was very quick to say that it was the magazines.  They took awhile to get it worked out.  He called Wilson mags junk and said that Chip McCormick mags worked great. 

I've never tried a 9mm 1911, so I have no comments or experience with the 9mm mag issues.  I have McCormick and Wilson .45 mags and both have worked fine, though I think the Wilson plastic base plates are fragile.  I've had a couple strip off.

Anyway, glad to hear that your problem got resolved.  Nice looking gun!  How is the accuracy and recoil.

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I'd say the recoil is about the lightest recoil impulse I've felt since maybe I the P7M8s and P7M13 I owned a few years back.  Really just fun to shoot.  And the accuracy is great.  I like to think I shoot fairly well, not as good as plenty aboard this place, but good enough to get by. And this is great.  As I get older, I like longer sight radius than this gun, but I seem to be able to hit what I want to with it.

I carry a Kimber ultra  Aegis 9mm  during the summer time.  I like it and I always think of getting another ultra 9mm since my sw3914 was in lock up for 4 years and some how it was returned damage beyond repair.  So that led to the kimber during a drunken gunbroker bid.  730 shipped plus transfer.  

If I find another 1911 ultra 9mm with aluminum frame I will probally buy it since the Kimber has been un kimber like 100% reliable in the past three years.

I have a Colt 1911 Commander in 9mm.  Custom build by Wayne Novak.  Perfect from day one. Over the past 32 years, Wayne and his staff have build me 7 Colt series 70 guns of various configurations.  Never had to send one back.  Perfect from day one.  As Newt advises, you get what you pay for-custom is, well custom.

 Novak has never failed me.  I carried a 1911 in 45 caliber as a police officer until the day I retired.

I recently sold a Colt Rail Gun in 45 and plan to use the funds from the sale to buy a 9mm 1911. I would like a WillsonCombat  or a custom 9mm 1911, but I don't see it in the cards. The three I am currently looking at are the new Colt Combat Unit Rail Gun in 9mm, the Sig TME, and the Springfield Armory Combat Operator. 

I have not shot any of these guns and that will be something I will try to do. I have shot the 45 ACP versions of these guns, but that doesn't help much. 

Of the three I am leaning towards the Colt and SA. Colt also has a Competition 9mm which is cheaper that the above models, but would need work/gunsmithing to add the features I am looking for. 

I also looked into the 80% route and found Stealth Arms, but decided after getting the kit and jig I could have a complete gun for the same price. 

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Probably around 7-8 years ago my wife bought a 9mm Springfield.  It was fun to shoot, had a few malfunctions in about 150rds, and she sold it to buy a dog.  The dog is annoying but we still have her so...

That was the extent of my experience with 9mm 1911s until last year when my department got a Nighthawk 9mm 1911 for T&E.  I shot it one time and knew I needed a 9mm 1911!  I have owned 14 variations of 1911s now, so I'm not new to the platform, but the 9mm is just too much fun and it feels like cheating. 

Around the same time frame, we took some training from Frank Proctor and a few of the guys fell in love with his STI Marauder.  Three of our staff bought one and one of our guys probably has 40,000-50,000 rounds through his... loves it!

I'm not rich, so I sold a gun, saved a bit, and rolled down to the LAPD academy store with the intention of buying a Springfield Range Officer 9mm.  They also had a Springfield Loaded Target, and after handling both, I went with the latter.  The safety is radiused and more comfortable for me, and the fit/finish was better.  

I brought it back to our range and put around a hundred rounds through it.  It had several failure to feed malfunctions.  Thankfully, I had researched and expected issues.  No big deal because I was going to change things.   The first thing I did was install a S&A mag well and replaced the ILS parts with an Ed Brown parts kit and Wolff 19lb hammer spring.  Then I tried an 11lb recoil spring (factory weight is 9lbs) with a Wilson Shock-buff on a Nighthawk full-length one-piece guide-rod.  No go on the shock buff.  I took it out and it was running well with no malfunctions if I kept it clean.  I think I replaced the 11lb with a 13lb and it's 100% as long as it has some oil on the rails and lugs. 

I also had our department armorer, who is a friend, replace the rear sight with a Harrison fixed U-notch rear and install a Harrison short trigger.  I put skateboard tape on the front-strap and lower portion of the mainspring housing and installed a set of black/grey VZ grips.  I'm super happy with the gun and the only pending change is a Dawson front sight with red fiber optic insert to replace the factory black sight which is several inches high at 25 yards (typical for Springfield).

When I bought the gun I ordered several mags to see what it "liked".  Here's what I've found:

As currently set up, this gun runs 100% with (1) Wilson 10rd ETM (I think) mags (old version - plastic follower), (2) 10rd Chip McCormick mags, (2) 9rd Metalform mags, and the two stainless mags that came with the gun.  I bought a blued 9rd "factory" Springfield mag and it feeds 100% but fails to lock the slide open most of the time. 

I'm so damn happy with this gun that if my department approves 1911s I'll be picking up a 9mm Range Officer (or the Colt 9mm Rail Gun),  and Range Officer Compact 9mm. 

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Great writeup. I've got what is effectively a Springfield Professional in 9mm waiting for me back at work. I'm hoping that it runs with standard 14# recoil springs, but if not, I'll try the variable ones.

 

Feeding well has always been the issue for 9mm 1911s. Still, STI seems to have solved this with their doublestacks, and every 1911 maker is jumping into this game, so I suspect these next few years are going to be great years for this platform and caliber.

Funny this comes up as I had the opportunity to shoot a few rounds through a JOJOs 9mm Kimber.  Yes, a Kimber. 

I have no idea what they did to it but it ran great and was a joy to shoot.  But a 1911 in 9mm felt so...so....dirty.   Like not enough hot water and soap in the world dirty.   With every round I envisioned JMB doing a  revolution in his grave.  If he had wanted a 9mm 1911, he would have made one.  The High Power proves he didn't.  That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

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I forget the complete story anymore but a guy we used to shoot with got this GSP-1 made up in 9 mm or found it lonely in a corner when someone else didn't pick it up or something, and eventually years ago I was... unable to buy it because I was out of work, but a friend did.  It was probably the nicest running, easiest to shoot pistol I have ever had in my hand. Even that silly offset safety was just perfect on it (aside from holster fit). 

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Never seen a 9mm 1911 I liked as much since then, because this one ruined them all for me, but it's on the long list of guns I may own sometime if the right one comes up. 

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I've got a S&W Scandium frame, bobtail 1911 Commander length with the scandium frame in .45.  I'll admit it, the gun would be even nicer in 9mm.   I like the concept of the Springfield EMP, i.e. scale down the 1911 to properly fit the 9mm.  I don't like the bull barrel.  I would really enjoy carrying an aluminum or scandium framed Commander scaled down to 85-90% in 9mm.  Something along the lines of the out of production Star BKM.

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You guys are going to end up costing me money.  While I can't buy another Wilson or any other high end pistol, a 9mm 1911 is definitely looking in the cards.  The Colt or SA are looking like good options.  I would prefer a 4" lightweight option, I have a hard time carrying anything too heavy on my hip (a good argument for a shoulder holster).  I look forward to hearing people experiences  with the not so high priced options.


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Cytez posted:

You guys are going to end up costing me money.  While I can't buy another Wilson or any other high end pistol, a 9mm 1911 is definitely looking in the cards.  The Colt or SA are looking like good options.  I would prefer a 4" lightweight option, I have a hard time carrying anything too heavy on my hip (a good argument for a shoulder holster).  I look forward to hearing people experiences  with the not so high priced options.

 

I have a friend who has a Rock Island Armory TAC Ultra CS 9mm 1911, and after the mag springs were changed in the Wilson EMT Magazines (bad batch I guess), it has had no malfunctions in 1,000 rounds.  I have shot it and it's heavy because of the steel frame with rail on the frame, but it shoots really nice and smooth.

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I've got a Springfield Armory Range Officer in 9mm. Bought it because I always wanted a 9mm 1911 and all my pistols are the same caliber. The first thing I did was to buy a bunch of 10 round Cobra mags for it. They work flawlessly compared to the factory mags. Since I have had it, it has been worked by Dave Salyer to make it into an informal bullseye pistol.  

Salyer highly recommends shooting 115gr XTP (or HAP) bullets at about 1150fps for best accuracy with the factory barrel. There are several companies including Hornady that have a load that fits this discription if you don't reload. However, I have found that Fed American Eagle 147gr FP shoots almost as well with less recoil and lower cost. 

I also had a poor experience with Wilson, but it was with their custom ammo. They had a sale going on for their 9mm match ammo in 400 round bulk boxes. They claimed it was manufactured to high standards and blah blah blah... So, I ordered a box of 400 for testing. The first time out to the range, the ammo locked my gun up.  I was able to clear the pistol at the range and figured it had to be a fluke. The very next mag, it locked up again. Long story short, after checking the ammo that night, I found over 50 rounds to be out of spec and loaded to long. I contacted Wilson to address the problem. I only received a short email that thanked me for bringing it to their attention. No offer for a refund or replacement. Follow up emailed never got a response. I won't be dealing with Wilson any more. 

The Springfield really likes Creedmoor Sports 9mm match ammo. If you are looking for the most accurate ammo for your 9mm, I would highly recommend it. 

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As noted previously, some of you may remember TLG's "grey" back-up gun from the 2012-2013 9 mm SA/Warren 1911 endurance test, as noted in these older posts: https://pistol-forum.com/showt...Springfield-9mm-1911 and http://pistol-training.com/archives/6936.  Recently that pistol had an RMR06 added to it thanks to Mark Housel at L&M Precision:  http://www.landmprecisiongunworks.com.  



Despite the new RDS, the pistol has functioned flawlessly over the first few hundred rounds of typical 147 gr ammunition using Wilson ETM magazines.  Accuracy is quite acceptable, as shown in the target below, which was recorded during the initial RDS zeroing--I suspect the pistol is capable of better group sizes once the sight is fully dialed in:



During the 25 years I primarily carried a .45 Auto 1911, all my personally owned pistols had iron sights, flat mainspring housings, and long triggers.  Since transitioning to only using RDS equipped pistols, I have noted that RDS equipped 1911's point and shoot much better for me when using an arched mainspring housing and short triggers--I suspect those will be added to this pistol in the near future, much like with the 1911 below:

In a day when folks have to spend lots of money and do lots of tinkering to get their polymer wonder pistols to run right, then a custom 1911 seems like a more reasonable option.  Finally, in illogical times when magazines larger than 10 rds get inanely banned, then single stack 1911's also make a lot more sense.

I have 4 1911s in 40S&W. 2 Paras and 1 Rock Island double stacks and 1 Rock Island comander size single stack  (my EDC). The Paras have run flawlessly even with semi-wad cutters. The  two Rocks have had a fair bit of work done on them, trigger job, internals cleaned up, de-horned, safeties re-contoured etc. (done mostly because I wanted to do it). The only real reliability issue I had to solve with the Rocks was some nose dive fail to feeds and some fail to return to battery issues. An appropriate Wolffe recoil spring all issues went away.  I got my daughter a Metro American Classic comander in 9mm. It needed a new, heavier, recoil spring to run reliably .  It also needed a new ejector and extractor to keep the spent brass out of her face. All good now. All 5 are running reliably now.

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I'm desperately holding out for Smith & Wesson to release a version of their 1911sc in 9mm.  Scandium, bobcat style frame, Commander length.

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Cytez posted:

You guys are going to end up costing me money.  While I can't buy another Wilson or any other high end pistol, a 9mm 1911 is definitely looking in the cards.  The Colt or SA are looking like good options.  I would prefer a 4" lightweight option, I have a hard time carrying anything too heavy on my hip (a good argument for a shoulder holster).  I look forward to hearing people experiences  with the not so high priced options.

I've had a Colt Lightweight Commander for a few months now (O4842XE). For the first 400 rounds I only shot NATO ammo or 124 grain HST's with no issues at all using Metalform and Wilson magazines. The gun would periodically pull a Gen 4 Glock on me and throw brass into my forehead so this weekend I thought I'd fix that by tensioning the extractor. Unlike most Colts that have no extractor tension at all, this one was actually  very tight, so I went ahead and put a swipe of a file on the ejector. Won't know if that fixed it till this weekend.

This gun quickly became my favorite and if you've ever been a fan of the 1911, you'll know what I mean after the first round.

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Dorsai posted:

I've got a S&W Scandium frame, bobtail 1911 Commander length with the scandium frame in .45.  I'll admit it, the gun would be even nicer in 9mm.   I like the concept of the Springfield EMP, i.e. scale down the 1911 to properly fit the 9mm.  I don't like the bull barrel.  I would really enjoy carrying an aluminum or scandium framed Commander scaled down to 85-90% in 9mm.  Something along the lines of the out of production Star BKM.

This.

I'm a big fan of the Star BM/BKM as well. It's my wife's ex-pistol  (She was smitten by a Sig 226 Elite SAO) and if it weren't for the lack of spare parts I would recommend it to others.   While the BM is heavy for its size (a bit heavy for all day carry, especially compared to a g26) it shoots like a .22.    I just need a modern company to start producing it with consistent heat treating and firing pins that aren't so fragile.  

aegis305 posted:
Dorsai posted:

I've got a S&W Scandium frame, bobtail 1911 Commander length with the scandium frame in .45.  I'll admit it, the gun would be even nicer in 9mm.   I like the concept of the Springfield EMP, i.e. scale down the 1911 to properly fit the 9mm.  I don't like the bull barrel.  I would really enjoy carrying an aluminum or scandium framed Commander scaled down to 85-90% in 9mm.  Something along the lines of the out of production Star BKM.

This.

A friend just shelled out CDN $1000+  for the Browning Black Label in 380.  85% scaled down 1911, single stack, 8 rds, 4.25" barrel.  Lot's of fans asking why Browning won't go the next step and do this in 9mm?  That size and calibre would make so many happy (me included).

The 4.25" barrel is so important for us up here as the legal length limit is 105mm (4.2").  Anything smaller is prohibited.  So many "fun" guns have barrels 102mm and under.  So we can't buy G43s (or even G19s), for example.  As such, this BL is the best we can do in terms of a slim, compact pistol.  Although the Ruger SR9 looks promising length-wise albeit thicker.

Not that we are looking to carry as this is also prohibited.  However, if matters ever turned nasty and a citizen decided he had no choice, he's stuck with whatever he has on hand that he obtained legally....at least until he can scavenge something better from the rubble of post-apocalyptic society.

So, gun makers, think of us poor Canucks and make more guns with barrels legal in our country...

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So I know it's a necropost but If it wasn't for this thread I would not have gotten the fever for a 9mm 1911.  For the past week I've been sneaking a Ruger LW 9mm commander in and out of the house.  I just hope all of you are happy with yourselves.  When my wife finally figures out this pistol doesn't look like the others, I can't promise I won't start snitching.  

Dorsai posted:

I've got a S&W Scandium frame, bobtail 1911 Commander length with the scandium frame in .45.  I'll admit it, the gun would be even nicer in 9mm.   I like the concept of the Springfield EMP, i.e. scale down the 1911 to properly fit the 9mm.  I don't like the bull barrel.  I would really enjoy carrying an aluminum or scandium framed Commander scaled down to 85-90% in 9mm.  Something along the lines of the out of production Star BKM.

I first handled this a couple of weeks ago and it is damn near what I described.  I don't like the markings, but...

http://www.springfield-armory....d-carry-contour-9mm/

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Dorsai,

The markings are hard to see clearly on my phone, is that EMP 4?

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Yes it is.  It feels pretty good in the hand and it does fit the bill for a compact (not sub-compact), single stack 1911 9mm.  The grip feels good, trigger is ok, typical factory that can be improved.  You hate to spend nearly $1k for a gun that you are then going to work on, but that's about the norm these days.  This may go on my list.  I'd dehorn the sharper edges, work on the trigger and then a nice matte black cerakote.  Maybe tungsten gray.  I'm really not liking the two tone. 

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Dorsai posted:

Yes it is.  It feels pretty good in the hand and it does fit the bill for a compact (not sub-compact), single stack 1911 9mm.  The grip feels good, trigger is ok, typical factory that can be improved.  You hate to spend nearly $1k for a gun that you are then going to work on, but that's about the norm these days.  This may go on my list.  I'd dehorn the sharper edges, work on the trigger and then a nice matte black cerakote.  Maybe tungsten gray.  I'm really not liking the two tone. 

I'd go matte black cerakote if you can get it to match the hard black ano of the frame. 

I've seen some pretty crappy hard black ano at work so maybe the tungsten gray would be a better "fit". 

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Springfield scaled the EMP for the 9mm.  So the grip circumference is reduced as well and it uses proprietary magazines sized for the 9mm.  It DOES NOT use Colt sized 9mm mags.  Some will call that a defect, but if you are going to reduce the size to 9mm appropriate, you don't keep a .45 sized mag.

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I've seen the video, haven't seen one in person.  But it's supposed to be scary expensive, so not something I'll ever buy.  Is it better than a Nighthawk BHP?  There are some very rare aluminum framed BHP's floating around.  Sounds like something FN should re-introduce.

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Never hint at what you really feel

Teach the children quietly For some day sons and daughters

Will rise up and fight while we stood still

 

Joined:  2/24/2003                          Location:  Nevada, USA

WIlson XDC9 has a page now. Still looks awesome: 

https://www.wilsoncombat.com/edc-x9/

And MAN it better be awesome for pretty much $3,000. 

The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life. – Theodore Roosevelt

 

Joined: 19NOV2004   Location: Mission, Kansas

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