runningwolf posted:

I’m definitely interested in this things ability to hump some awkward loads (mortar, javalin, AG kit, maybe up to say a MK19 and support gear, not all on one ruck but spread across a few, as well as seeing options for attachable carry methods for those pieces of equipment. Like a specific pack capable of holding the CLU and some sustainment gear that’s easy to get the CLU in and out, and a specific pack that can hold the tube and some sustainment gear. Another neat idea would be for the packs to have 60mm pouches sewn into them, like how they had the radio pouches on the ALICE packs, maybe a few slot for like 2-3 60mm, that way they are high and close to your back.

In a SASO/COIN/whatever environment, large, oddly-shaped or dense objects (think C-IED emmitters) are a very common load.  Most others lug a 3-day pack.  Full rucks get tossed on for tons of water on extended patrols.

In a smashmouth conflict, some of that stuff will still be around, but probably the main ruck is going to spend the majority of its time strapped to the mobility platform.

I know it’s an environment we need to stay capable of fighting in, but I scratch my head whenever I think of any coalition force fighting in the jungle.  God help us if we try, ‘cause we are not ready.

It is better that they do it imperfectly than that you do it perfectly. For it is their war and their country and your time here is limited.

 

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My frame should be here in a few weeks. Can’t wait. Just realized all I have to put on it is a medium ALICE. May invest in a TT  or what not to hold me over till these new rumored packs make there way into production. 

Diz, you should invite the Crossfire guys to this thread.

runningwolf posted:

My frame should be here in a few weeks. Can’t wait. Just realized all I have to put on it is a medium ALICE. May invest in a TT  or what not to hold me over till these new rumored packs make there way into production. 

Diz, you should invite the Crossfire guys to this thread.

They are on the board as I invited them when I ordered my frame and they have appeared in other threads here already.  Seems like a great crew down there.

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Yeah man they are spun up on LF.  Have been talking to them about our discussions here.  I am anxiously awaiting a new pack bag that will be a mash up between the DG-16 and the legacy WE MK-series rucks.  In OCP!  

Yeah these guys are legit.  The wealth of knowledge about rucksack design and construction here is huge .  Also our own 22F is obviously in the loop on this stuff.

Any of you jokers going to AUSA in October?  They will be there and I might be able to break free and meet them.     

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

I just finished up the main pack bag for the DG-16 frameset, which will hold me over until I get the real thing; so I will load that sucker up shortly and see what's up.  I really hadn't planned on taking a LBT 2657 all the way down, but it kinda just kept evolving.  I left the "FILBE" style attachment on it so it can also be used with a 1606 for testing purposes.  When I get the Crossfire bag, it will be mounted to the DG-16 frameset, and then it and the LBT/1606 can be rucked for a head-to-head comparison.      

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

Got my frameset in yesterday.  I’ll go dig out my MR Mountain Ruck from storage and see what I can do for adapting the bag to the frame.  I imagine I’ll do the same  or similar that you have done to the LBT, Diz.  A comparison between this and the NICE will be interesting.

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Hey right on.  If the thing doesn't melt on contact with a Crossfire frame (ask 22F), then yeah be interesting to see how you might be able to rig it up.  As I understand it, it has a NICE frame with a Futura yoke, so basically you'd have to pull all that off and see how the bag might attach to another frameset.  If it has an ALICE style top sleeve, that would be a start.  Or, some tabs sewn into the sides would be nice, to take full advantage of the frameset.  Would be a really interesting to see a comparison of the two frames and suspensions.  

I will go out on limb here and say the NICE concept was a good start, but the DG-16 frame takes that to a whole 'nother level.  Having said that, I know MR is supposed to be working on a NICE upgrade for SOCOM, so that would also be interesting to see as well.

Let me know if you need any help with a LBT or any other bag mod.  I have a few pics of the construction process.    

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

I’ll probably use the sleeve up top initially and add some side tabs, but will eventually go with a full-tab arrangement if I find it to be worth the effort.

I went to the NICE/Mountain Ruck from a Kifaru AG2 some years ago.  Probably because I was so used to the large ALICE shape and “bag of bags” concept as much as any other reason.  I look forward to seeing what new packbags are to come from Crossfire.

As to crossing the streams between Crossfire and MR, tracking a bit.  It’s what I have on hand and am willing to put under the knife, so it will have to do for now.

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Ha, that is a lucky break for you.  The MR bag is a great follow-on to the legacy ALICE designs.  I think you should be commended for not being afraid to modify the shit out of it; when most guys would be selling it to mil-sim/fan-boys.  

The only thing I can think of is whether you want to continue using the sleeve or go with Crossfire's "sling" design.  It looks like they are using a piece of webbing slung horizontally, about where the sleeve would be, with an intersecting piece of webbing that comes down vertically.  This allows them free access to the frame corners, so you can take advantage of all three top load strap locations (the last two are covered by top sleeve designs).  Think of an inverted jock-strap, and you're about there.  If you look at that "bushcraft" vid on youtube (Crossfire DG-16 pack review), you'll get a good look at it.  I think they also use two extra tabs on top, in lieu of a sleeve.  I also think they are tying in at two points on the bottom.

But regardless, I think using all three side attachment points, and two on the bottom, will greatly increase the "live load" concept of integrating the bag with the frame.     

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Consigliere posted:
Matlock posted:

 I'm not pretending to be anyone I'm not and so don't need multicam).

That was very hurtful and makes me sad.

Meh.  MC has become the new woodland...everybody is wearing it.  In fact I just read an article about possibly redesigning our combat uniform for the next gen.  The CDS (Chief of the Def Staff) dropped a hint that, since CANSOFCOM already wears MC, the rest of the army should just adopt it and buy OTS from the US.  Existing stocks of CADPAT would be exhausted kitting out new recruits etc.  This concept is meeting tough resistance, however...

As for this ruck, since the Aus SASR has been in MC since 2010-ish, I'm surprised it wasn't the first pattern of bag made.

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Thanks for the "heads up" on the Bushcraft video, just watched it. Well done. Man, have packs come along way, since my rucking days, LOL. Crossfire got it right! 

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libertarian45 posted:

...In fact I just read an article about possibly redesigning our combat uniform for the next gen.  The CDS (Chief of the Def Staff) dropped a hint that, since CANSOFCOM already wears MC, the rest of the army should just adopt it and buy OTS from the US.  Existing stocks of CADPAT would be exhausted kitting out new recruits etc.  This concept is meeting tough resistance, however...

For everyone, in all AOs? Because domestically (and a few similar terrains full of conifers) there is hardly a better camo around. MC is relaly veyr nice, and as close to an all-purpose camo as you can get, but CADPAT is often very simply impressive.

Need an excuse to sew in it. Got a roll of nice CADPAT Cordura® it here but no real need for it day to day, sadly. 

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runningwolf posted:

I’m definitely interested in this things ability to hump some awkward loads (mortar, javalin, AG kit, maybe up to say a MK19 and support gear, not all on one ruck but spread across a few, as well as seeing options for attachable carry methods for those pieces of equipment. Like a specific pack capable of holding the CLU and some sustainment gear that’s easy to get the CLU in and out, and a specific pack that can hold the tube and some sustainment gear. Another neat idea would be for the packs to have 60mm pouches sewn into them, like how they had the radio pouches on the ALICE packs, maybe a few slot for like 2-3 60mm, that way they are high and close to your back.

MR offered (or did) add-ons for support weapons: this came my way:

MR Round carrier for 84mm.  Don't have it now- passed it on to someone who actually had a use for it

jcustisredux posted:
runningwolf posted:

I’m definitely interested in this things ability to hump some awkward loads (mortar, javalin, AG kit, maybe up to say a MK19 and support gear, not all on one ruck but spread across a few, as well as seeing options for attachable carry methods for those pieces of equipment. Like a specific pack capable of holding the CLU and some sustainment gear that’s easy to get the CLU in and out, and a specific pack that can hold the tube and some sustainment gear. Another neat idea would be for the packs to have 60mm pouches sewn into them, like how they had the radio pouches on the ALICE packs, maybe a few slot for like 2-3 60mm, that way they are high and close to your back.

In a SASO/COIN/whatever environment, large, oddly-shaped or dense objects (think C-IED emmitters) are a very common load.  Most others lug a 3-day pack.  Full rucks get tossed on for tons of water on extended patrols.

In a smashmouth conflict, some of that stuff will still be around, but probably the main ruck is going to spend the majority of its time strapped to the mobility platform.

I know it’s an environment we need to stay capable of fighting in, but I scratch my head whenever I think of any coalition force fighting in the jungle.  God help us if we try, ‘cause we are not ready.

Bulldog Tactical Equipment, makers of the 240 sling that we all hate, make specialty pack for CSW and mortar crews.  It looks like a good solution, with the understanding that there is no comfortable way to carry hundreds of pounds of metal.  It could easily be rigged for Gustaf or heavy MGs.  Certain infantry hump mk19s.  Really shitty, but put that on an elevated position and BPT own the terrain.

shoobe01 posted:
libertarian45 posted:

...In fact I just read an article about possibly redesigning our combat uniform for the next gen.  The CDS (Chief of the Def Staff) dropped a hint that, since CANSOFCOM already wears MC, the rest of the army should just adopt it and buy OTS from the US.  Existing stocks of CADPAT would be exhausted kitting out new recruits etc.  This concept is meeting tough resistance, however...

For everyone, in all AOs? Because domestically (and a few similar terrains full of conifers) there is hardly a better camo around. MC is relaly veyr nice, and as close to an all-purpose camo as you can get, but CADPAT is often very simply impressive.

Need an excuse to sew in it. Got a roll of nice CADPAT Cordura® it here but no real need for it day to day, sadly. 

Now you tell me...after retirement...that you could have made me "goodies" in CADPAT.

The article said, if adopted, soldiers would initially be issued MC when they "go operational" ie deploy.  Anyway, in defence of our "identity" we may never do it...

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libertarian45 posted:
Consigliere posted:
Matlock posted:

 I'm not pretending to be anyone I'm not and so don't need multicam).

That was very hurtful and makes me sad.

Meh.  MC has become the new woodland...everybody is wearing it.  In fact I just read an article about possibly redesigning our combat uniform for the next gen.  The CDS (Chief of the Def Staff) dropped a hint that, since CANSOFCOM already wears MC, the rest of the army should just adopt it and buy OTS from the US.  Existing stocks of CADPAT would be exhausted kitting out new recruits etc.  This concept is meeting tough resistance, however...

As for this ruck, since the Aus SASR has been in MC since 2010-ish, I'm surprised it wasn't the first pattern of bag made.

I appreciate it brother but nothing makes sad anymore.  Angry?  Fuck yeah.  But not sad.

Since I really do want to wander around the country side with a pack (Kelty) like I used to before law school, I follow this thread and a couple of others like it for basic info.  We don't exactly have mountains here but we have trails all over the fucking place.  It is peaceful to wander around the woods like a Shaolin priest with a staff.  All I do is make a couple of concessions to our current world, like ditching the staff and carrying a 1911 and maybe my MP5k in the pack.  Other than that, it's just me being one with nature.

I'm not modifying/stitching/testing/comparing anything not the least of which is because I know dick.  I just like listening to the SMEs.   But Johnny does like cool shit fo' sho'.

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You know it's real easy to get wrapped around the axle concerning camouflage.  After it came out as "OCP" in general issue, I gave it a try and really liked it, simply because the reality is any pattern goes dark (in deep woodlands) after about 50-75 m so what's the big friggin deal.  Anything in my area goes to a dark silhouette after this distance.   I like a lighter pattern (than you think you might need) just for this reason.  In deep shadows it blends very nicely.  At night, even better.  

The truth is camo has become a unit distinction rather than true camo.  Case in point, the Canucks love their camo and don't want to give it up.  MC, as OCP, is cheap and available as surplus, so it has become my go-to camo.  If they come out with something else, I'll use that when it goes surplus.  And so on.  

So I happen to think, bringing out Crossfire rucks in OCP makes a lot of sense, both in and out of service.    

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Consigliere posted:

  ... ditching the staff and carrying a 1911 and maybe my MP5k in the pack.  Other than that, it's just me being one with nature.

 

Oh?  Going light with the bare minimum?

I just wish we (canuckle heads) could take a hand gun with us while we walk around...

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Diz posted:

You know it's real easy to get wrapped around the axle concerning camouflage.  After it came out as "OCP" in general issue, I gave it a try and really liked it, simply because the reality is any pattern goes dark (in deep woodlands) after about 50-75 m so what's the big friggin deal.  Anything in my area goes to a dark silhouette after this distance.   I like a lighter pattern (than you think you might need) just for this reason.  In deep shadows it blends very nicely.  At night, even better.  

The truth is camo has become a unit distinction rather than true camo.  Case in point, the Canucks love their camo and don't want to give it up.  MC, as OCP, is cheap and available as surplus, so it has become my go-to camo.  If they come out with something else, I'll use that when it goes surplus.  And so on.  

So I happen to think, bringing out Crossfire rucks in OCP makes a lot of sense, both in and out of service.    

Absolutely - OCP/ MC/MTP is just smart business.  That's what I meant by it being the new woodland...it's every where now (and not going away).

Our country spent 5 years doing camo trials between 81 and 86.  The result was that the current (at that time) monochrome green as they called it was the most universally adaptable to various conditions and worked best.  So we kept OD until the intro of CADPAT o/a 1999.

Personally, I'd like to have everything in Rhodesian....just cause...it's cool.

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libertarian45 posted:
Consigliere posted:

  ... ditching the staff and carrying a 1911 and maybe my MP5k in the pack.  Other than that, it's just me being one with nature.

 

Oh?  Going light with the bare minimum?

I just wish we (canuckle heads) could take a hand gun with us while we walk around...

Well.... there is a solution... the US does have a robust LEGAL IMMIGRATION process. 

You just have to pick the proper State as a landing spot and have a job setup.... mostly...

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David Reeves posted:
libertarian45 posted:
Consigliere posted:

  ... ditching the staff and carrying a 1911 and maybe my MP5k in the pack.  Other than that, it's just me being one with nature.

 

Oh?  Going light with the bare minimum?

I just wish we (canuckle heads) could take a hand gun with us while we walk around...

Well.... there is a solution... the US does have a robust LEGAL IMMIGRATION process. 

You just have to pick the proper State as a landing spot and have a job setup.... mostly...

I just retired and my generous pension is about to kick in...soon...any day now....therefore, no need for a job (except if it's needed to get in).  It's ironic that I made that comment based on a comment from someone who lives in.....CT!  In terms of stupid gun laws, that's almost as bad as Canada....

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Funny stuff.  I'd love to move to northern Idaho right now, but don't know if we can pull it off.  

Camo, yeah whatever.  

Weapons, yeah get 'em, regardless of circumstances.

Rucksacks, DG-16 for sure.   

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

Having "grown up" with Alice on my back, and retiring with a Kifaru EMR as my primary ruck, I'm amazed at how far things have evolved in the 6 years since I retired. It is because of the drive and innovation of people on this forum (and others) that gear has evolved this far technically and is available to the masses.

To all the "Stitch Bitches" and "Nylon Ninjas" -- thank you.



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libertarian45 posted:
David Reeves posted:
libertarian45 posted:
Consigliere posted:

  ... ditching the staff and carrying a 1911 and maybe my MP5k in the pack.  Other than that, it's just me being one with nature.

 

Oh?  Going light with the bare minimum?

I just wish we (canuckle heads) could take a hand gun with us while we walk around...

Well.... there is a solution... the US does have a robust LEGAL IMMIGRATION process. 

You just have to pick the proper State as a landing spot and have a job setup.... mostly...

I just retired and my generous pension is about to kick in...soon...any day now....therefore, no need for a job (except if it's needed to get in).  It's ironic that I made that comment based on a comment from someone who lives in.....CT!  In terms of stupid gun laws, that's almost as bad as Canada....

My safes would prove that thought to be the ultimate in fake news.😜

 

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Speaking of ALICE on your back. Met a former infantry guy that married a Alice. I remember him making the comment at the bar that he got one ALICE off his back now he has another sucking the life out of him. That was funny enough at the time to make the Hooters chick come check on me after she watched half my drink come out of my nose.

Yes indeed, the irony.   

On stitching, forums, and innovation.  I remember when Mel introduced me to LF forums back in '04.  I never knew such a thing even existed.  You just talked to your military friends and neighbors about this stuff; now you can find like-minded individuals literally around the world.  I have been able to talk with current end-users about what they need, and other "seamsters" about how to make it.

Thanks to 22F again for turning us on to Crossfire.  If he ever gets out of the bush and writes his DG-16 review. 

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David Reeves posted:

Well.... there is a solution... the US does have a robust LEGAL IMMIGRATION process. 

You just have to pick the proper State as a landing spot and have a job setup.... mostly...

They mostly sneak across at night.

Mostly. 

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OK just finished a ruck run with the new bag.  31 lbs, 6.3 miles, 12:46 avg.  I cut the LBT down a bit to about 85 L, as opposed to the FILBE at around 100L, so it rides a little better, with better balance on your back.   Getting closer to a Crossfire bag.

Last time I just compared the overall rides between a DG-16 and a 1606.  This time I want to go into more detail about the DG-16. 

I gotta say, this frame and suspension has been one of the most comfortable ones I've rucked in the past few years.  First of all, it's really nice to have a little circulation around back.  Those internals were just soaking me this time of year.  Now the contact is up between your shoulder blades, and on your lower lumbar.  If you run a water bladder, a narrow contact down your spine.  This is a huge improvement over full back contact with mesh/foam/cordura.

The shoulder straps are some of the best I've ever seen.  You can really feel the difference between the wider straps, that stay in place, to the typical closed cell foam, which tend to roll up, or at least feel that way, under load.  

The hip pad/belt is really comfortable.  It does what we always tried to adjust the ALICE to do; curve around your back, to give you a little stand-off from the ruck, but at the same time, give you support for the load, without it swinging all around.  .  

I was "tabbing" more this time around, mixing some running with fast walking.  It really felt like an internal, in that the load was closer to me, but still off-set enough for air to circulate.  So yeah it kinda is the best of both worlds.

It rides really well when you're "tabbing" or running.  I think that is because the frame is flexing like an internal, instead of just banging on your hips or shoulders.   So yeah, while not quite as good as a Crossfire bag, it's getting closer to the "live load" concept.

Note:  Do not run with ruck until your bod is sufficiently conditioned to do so.  I have been doing this stuff for a long time and my body is accustomed to it.  Even then be very careful with it.       

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

It is very easy to overlook how much comfort can factor into physical performance.  Like the basic action of changing out of wet socks.

Good post Diz.

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shoobe01 posted:
libertarian45 posted:

...In fact I just read an article about possibly redesigning our combat uniform for the next gen.  The CDS (Chief of the Def Staff) dropped a hint that, since CANSOFCOM already wears MC, the rest of the army should just adopt it and buy OTS from the US.  Existing stocks of CADPAT would be exhausted kitting out new recruits etc.  This concept is meeting tough resistance, however...

For everyone, in all AOs? Because domestically (and a few similar terrains full of conifers) there is hardly a better camo around. MC is relaly veyr nice, and as close to an all-purpose camo as you can get, but CADPAT is often very simply impressive.

Need an excuse to sew in it. Got a roll of nice CADPAT Cordura® it here but no real need for it day to day, sadly. 

CADPAT is really good, three-four months of the year (early spring to mid summer) in its intended environment. Outside of those months in that AO, it's not great. MC is a far better overall choice than CADPAT. It would work better in all the various terrain Canada has, as well as all the seasons we work in. CADPAT really sticks out in a dry prairie in November for example. CADPAT AR works really, really good in desert  or desert style prairie/badlands, where it's intended, but only there. I'd like to see us issue MC for everyone for the majority of missions, and retain CADPAT TW/AR for jungle and desert specific missions, while using MC load bearing kit. People forget just how big and different our country is....and how long its cold/brown/grey and miserable for.

 

back on track though.....

I'd love to see how a '64 pattern jump ruck rigs to the DG16 frame. I'm currently using a 1606 frame with a rigger made 5 pocket bag and CP gear valice, with Dropzone shoulder and waist straps. Due to my height, I've never really used the waist strap. I normally run belt kit for long range infantry shit, so the short back resting on my belt kit works great.  This new frame may make me finally use a waistbelt....

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Frame arrived today.  Holy crap that was fast.  Haven't even opened it.

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Running with a ruck is the suck.  

just thought that needed to be reinforced.  

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Yeah you got that one right.

On the Frame n belt kit front.  Eh, maybe not.  I mean it is the perfect height to fit belt kit under it so you may keep your perfect no waist strap record.

On shipping yeah these guys are fast. 

On smocks, I love my Jay Jays old school, lightweight smock.  For your consideration when replacement is needed.

On the ruck, I forgot to mention the pads work really well; I like the material they use; it doesn't slide around and it dried out in a couple of hours.     

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Diz posted:

10-4 I passed all that on to the guys at Crossfire;  believe it or not, they are actively working on some solutions for all that shit.   I am totally impressed with these guys.  It's like we've discovered some secret think tank or something.  You think you're the only ones working on all this shit, and then one day you discover this whole wealth of knowledge, in some exotic land, half a world away.     

It’s amazing, innit? 

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Consigliere posted:
runningwolf posted:

My frame should be here in a few weeks. Can’t wait. Just realized all I have to put on it is a medium ALICE. May invest in a TT  or what not to hold me over till these new rumored packs make there way into production. 

Diz, you should invite the Crossfire guys to this thread.

They are on the board as I invited them when I ordered my frame and they have appeared in other threads here already.  Seems like a great crew down there.

They are mate. 

I mentioned to the P&S crew at SHOT just gone that the Crossfire team are good people producing good gear. 

There’s a reason why I’ve been spruiking them for years now. 

In fact, a lot of the feedback and user experience from this place has been filtered back to them by myself as a snapshot of the industry. You mob can now see how much they’ve taken it on board to produce what I think is the premier combat pack on the market.

In fact, this relationship between Crossfire and myself has developed over the last decade into something where I’m both an independent contractor and brand ambassador. 

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Forward!
Where we are, where we belong, where we should be.

  

Location: Back in Bris-Vegas, wondering at the bright lights of the big smoke

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