Modern Samurai Project (Scott Jedlinski a.k.a. "Jedi")
1-day AIWB, 2-day red dot
11/22/19 - 11/24/19
Alpha Range - McHenry, IL

My Background: Just another dime-a-dozen LE guy who likes weapon/tactics/shooting and invests into my trade.

My Gear:
2x ATEi'd Glock 19X's wearing Type 2 RM06's. One is a carry gun; the other is nearly identical but comp'd. I ran MEN 124gr ammo.
I ran the first 1/2 of day 1 (AIWB) with a JM Custom holster and the last half with a borrowed Phlster Floodlight borrowed form a co-worker. I ran my Safariland ALS duty rig on day 3. Belts were Firstspear gunbelt on TD 1 and an Arcteryx belt on TD 2.
Observations: I need a better, dedicated belt for AIWB, and my AIWB holsters all required adjustments to sit the gun higher for better grip.

Who was there...
Normally, this is not something I note, but when your class includes multiple alumni including other notable instructors and some students attending for their 3rd or 4th time, that's something to note. Initially, I found this odd, but given the "drink from the firehose" wealth of knowledge, follow-up classes would not be in vain. Without a doubt, everybody on the line executed some high-level stuff at one point or another. Even if it was only one or two times per day, everybody saw what the possibilities were. It was also a pleasure to watch Donovan win his 2nd Black Belt patch...dude can shred.

Why did I take this class?
I took a deep dive into red dot pistol about the same time as AIWB From about February to June of this year, I had used Jedi's videos to give me a fundamental path to follow. I did a hard grind, doing reps for a few months before deciding to cool my regimine when I had plateaued around a 1.50ish draw. I continued on with red dot with reasonable success...to the point where I could exploit it in 90% of the time over irons. After a Langdon class in June, I gave pistols a rest and returned focus to my neglected precision/long gun fundamentals. I can say I had almost no prep in the weeks leading up to this class due to my schedule.

Knowing that I had some difficulty finding the dot on occasion and I had some holes in my draw, I knew I needed help. With that I knew I needed actual individual attention and guidance. Hearing Jose Gordon give high praise about Jedi's ability to diagnose shooters, I was intrigued and enrolled in the closest MSP class I could find on the roster.

What did I expect?
Given that I felt like most pistol courses I had attended lacked significant personal commentary. That or they were case where the class was slowed to a snail's pace because some beginner(s) didn't read the course description or watch the pre-req video. Because of this, I had very conservative expectations.

I also knew going in that I could do a 2.75ish Bill Drill, consistently shoot 90+ B8's or better, and have even pulled together a the occasional sub-5 second FASTest's out of my butt on occasion (while making my home in that 5.25-5.30 range from concealment). A skill's no-man's land where coins, pins and patches seem wildly out of reach but many industry "standards" are easily overcome. While there's plenty of room for improvement, I was skeptical I would see significant time/skill shifts in 3 days. Stating that, I would be very happily surprised by the end.

TD1 - AIWB observations
It is very clear that Jedi's experience in martial arts is blended into his shooting techniques. During the numerous demonstrations showing the human body's strength's and weaknesses as they pertain to stance, recoil, etc. I kept thinking to myself: "Why has nobody else ever talked about this?" Jedi's technique was broken down into small bits and sutured into a complete technique rather quickly. It took me a few reps but the philosophy makes sense. Build an efficient technique, and focus on the technique and the results will come. I had previously fallen into the trap of "go faster" and making the mistake that more aggressive, violent movments practiced indefinitely would get me somewhere...eventually. Maybe after 10-12 reps of remembering to "stab" and riding "the wave", another 0.15 was easily gone from my 1.50 AIWB standard. By the end of the day, I even managed to steal a t-shirt in a 1-shot draw @25y on steel shoot-off. Even tired, I had some solid personal-bests in the MSP standards shoot at the end of the day.

TD2 - Red Dot observations
Given the techniques presented on TD1, finding the dot had more or less worked itself out. I learned how to work the dot so it would present itself from the 12 o'clock in the same manner...so long as I did what I was supposed to. "Speed" was touched on in that the sights/target and what we see would dictate our speed and not our arbitrary feeling of what was "fast". Static drills were broken down and alternate to shift from speed-accuracy-speed-accuracy. TD2 ended with MSP standards. I took my fastest, PR Bill Drill at 2.20s and completed all standards with no misses.

TD3 - RD continued observations
Day 3 began with everybody's favorite....B8's. Jedi talked about 10y zero and how it compared to 25y zero (and a little to 15y) in terms of logistics (time to zero) and the minimal (3/4" give or take) shift most rounds see when shooting a 10y zero at 25y and how impact shift is often less than shooter error/wobble. Tracking the dot and letting it fall onto target, I shot a clean 100 B8 w/ 5x's with a center POA and a 10y zero. I found it much easier to allow the dot to track vertically rather than fight the wobble of holding center of the X.

We shot multiple targets, targets on the move, and then multiple targets on the move. This was another area where my mind was blown. Multiple targets on the move was where I thought the red dot was a negative...how wrong I was. After opening up my focus to see all the targets, I almost giggled at how easy it was to "drop" the dot onto whatever target I wanted.

Then we had the always fun strong/weak hand shooting segment. One thing I noted was the emphasis on chosing a method not by how tight groups were but by the quickness/efficiency that the user could return to the dot and reengage so long as the accuracy was acceptable.

TD3 culminated to a full stage setup for time where most class skills were put to the test. After that, we did the MSP standards one last time. While my Bill Drill was not as good as the previous day's, I ended with a personal best of a 2.12s 3-2, a 1.17s 1-shot to A zone @ 7y, and a 1.43s for the 1-shot to A-zone at 25y. Again, even with my mental/physical tank on "E", holding to the technique rather than trying to "go faster" yielded positive results.

In all, I was very pleased with my performance, the results, the class, and the whole experience. Good shooters, good people, good class.

Other Thoughts
- If you run an RDS in any serious capacity, this class should be mandatory.

- So long as it is properly selected, installed and trained on, RDS on a pistol is a no-brainer. From what I recall, there were 3 dot "failures" in class. One was a user mounting error that didn't surface until TD3, and the other 2 were on older optics with inordinately high round counts. This is no more significant than weapon or optic failures that I have seen up to this point. Fear not the red dot

- Petzl liquid chalk...HELL YEAH

- Definitely will be back in '20 or '21 with some friends.


Cheers,

"Pain, we endure...faulty weaponry, we do not."

Original Post

On my short list of instructors since meeting/training with him at the FOP events.

If all goes well, I’ll be taking a class in May...  your AAR only served to shorten my patience. 

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TheTick posted:

On my short list of instructors since meeting/training with him at the FOP events.

If all goes well, I’ll be taking a class in May...  your AAR only served to shorten my patience. 

I'm not sure what one would call it..."training funk"....."tactical mid-life crisis"...or maybe just regular aging but I'm approaching shooting/training a lot differently now.  I don't dick around with odd/rare stuff like I used to; I'd rather get good at the stuff that's important.  I don't pay attention to online stuff like I used to since everybody and their dog is an SME along with the next guy.   I'm over the (as I've overheard it referred) taking a "class" of supervised drills by the Tier1/GWOT celebrity of the day.  Hence, the months of "grinding" I referenced above...I had pretty much taken my ball and gone home.  I used to be of the mind that: "Hey at least I got out and got some reps and learned a couple of new things."  Fuck that, just once I wanted to pay money to either have my mind blown or see some fucking results.  My new standard has become: "If i can't learn more than what I would learn with a day of focused training and experimentation on my own...then why the fuck am I pissing away hotel/gas/tuition for the same or less?"

At least in this case, I had an idea of what I wanted/needed and chose accordingly rather than aimlessly hoping to pick up whatever in the class to have a positive impact on my performance. 

So needless to say, I came in a little salty and but still had an open mind.   Admittedly, I've had some classes where I look back and in typing the AAR realize it wasn't as great from a learning standpoint as I remember.  It may have been fun...but nothing profound.  I wanted to sit on this for at least 72 hours (Thanksgiving added a few days on top of that).  I also wanted to be my AAR to be for me as well as others for reference.  Nobody gives a fuck what temp it was or what gun I ran or what socks Jedi was wearing. 

For me at least it was exactly what I needed when I wanted it...and that feeling is damn refreshing.  Hopefully that context is clear. 

"Pain, we endure...faulty weaponry, we do not."

TheTick posted:

Are you now running a 10-yard zero?  I’m pretty sure a 25-yard zero is going to be mandated by policy. 

I’ve always ran a 10y zero.  

Trivial dope/shift aside, most officers will struggle to achieve a true 25y zero off hand.  Why make things harder than they need to be?

"Pain, we endure...faulty weaponry, we do not."

TheTick posted:

Are you now running a 10-yard zero?  I’m pretty sure a 25-yard zero is going to be mandated by policy. 

I will be typing my review of Jedi's class I took the same week Pointblank took his probably today. I've ran a 10 yard zero on my RMR duty and off duty gun for 2 years now, since I started running them basically. Doing 10 yard zeros for 14 of us in our class took roughly 5 minutes split between two lines. If I took my PD and got everyone zero'd on a 25 yard zero I would probably be there all day waiting for people to group well enough on paper to even try to adjust. As Pointblank pointed out, a 10 yard zero is approximately .7" low at 25. Save yourself the heart ache.

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To add to my fellow officer's synopsis of the 25y zero and the logistical difficulty afforded in it...

What was also noted in class was..."Why 25y?"   What is so special about this number?  Is it perhaps institutional/administrative thing...NRA bullseye?...Military?   If you look at the numbers...they're all over the board with "averages" being between 7 and 14 yards depending on when and how data is extrapolated.  But as we all know, shit happens and you could be taking a 1-handed shot off your horse from 104 yards. 

I don't give a shit either way; I'm sticking with 10y

"Pain, we endure...faulty weaponry, we do not."

Follow-up question:  I was able to obtain a good 25-yard zero.  Is there a reason to switch to 10-yard outside of it simply being easier to obtain and “good enough” for the inconsistent accuracy of a pistol anyway (ie- the 10-yard trajectory is superior to 25-yard)?

I believe in the merits/reasons of a 50/200 5.56 rifle zero, but I admittedly put on a 25-yard RDS zero... well... because.  Very easy to obtain with little drop at 25 is an acceptable reason if that’s all it is  

I’m open to logic and can probably influence the proposed policy.

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Yes, no significant/noticeable drop beyond weapon/ammo/shooter ability would be one.

Administrative would be quicker to zero with fewer rounds (if you have to manage a department and all the skill levels there in).

Like a rifle consideration...what does the bullet do outside the 7-25y zone we're all comfortable in.  Can you punch that 1" pasty at 4y?  What is your max distance you can hold in an "A" zone and still see impacts in the "A" zone?  I'd have to dig to find it but I remember my lean toward the 10y zero is that it behaves similar to a rifle 50/200 in that a 10y zero will hit a little high at 25 & 50y by only a few inches and come back down to be POA/POI somewhere like 65-70y and still have only a few inches drop approaching 100y.   I want to say that ammo ballistics pending, you can still hold center "A" and technically get an "A" zone hit (on the bottom edge).  With a 25y zero, you had to hold top edge of "A" in the hopes of hitting just above the bottom limits.  4-5" drop vs 9-10" drop.  We did not discuss this in the MSP class, so take that with a grain of salt as it's been a while and I've yet to turn my "sniper the shit out of everything" focus to my pistolas.

"Pain, we endure...faulty weaponry, we do not."

^^^ very useful post and makes great sense: 50/200 gives basically POA/POI out to 300 on a battle rifle and it appears that 10-yard zero gives you the same basic thing, albeit with a pistol, to 100.

As far as your statement about sniping things... that’s my curse. My time in snipers makes me prone to obsessing/fine tuning my non-precision guns and spending way too much time “chasing zero” in a platform that’s incapable of giving me the results I’m attempting to achieve. 

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Ok, so tried some stuff out today.  Probably shoulda marked the A-zone but a quick check had me throwing rounds everywhere between the "B" and centermass "A" markings on the target at 50y and bottom edge of the A-zone at 100y with what I thought was a center hold. 

"Pain, we endure...faulty weaponry, we do not."

"I'm over the (as I've overheard it referred) taking a "class" of supervised drills by the Tier1/GWOT celebrity of the day." -- That's a good way to describe that. Such classes can have some value, but for myself I give classes that provide more actual instruction a higher priority. So many classes, so little time . . . .

I took the Red Dot Pistol class from Scott last May. My favorite quote from the class was:

 “A lot of times when people are shooting and they miss, they say “I gotta’ slow down”. Well, maybe not. Maybe you don’t need to slow down. Maybe you just need to shoot more CAREFULLY.” –Scott Jedlinski  Modern Samurai Project – 05-19-19

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arm yourself, because no one else here will save you . . .

 

he found faith in danger, a lifestyle he lived by

 

Assemble the Kingsmen

dojpros1998 posted:

Thanks for that. Your insight on the value/"achieveability" of a quality 10 yd zero v. 25 yd zero is most appreciated.

   

Fully agreed.

As some dude used to say: Learning has occurred...

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