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Wonder how much these will cost ...  + spares 4 battery caps , pictiny  thumb screws & lol - killFlash

http://soldiersystems.net/2017...-for-optical-sights/

The sights will be equipped with a killFlash anti-reflection device, rubber lens covers, and adapters allowing the sights to be deployed on all versions of the M16 rifle, M4 Carbine, and light machineguns such as the M240 and M249.

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BC520 posted:

Why LOL on the killflash?

I'm not seeing your point or reason for the tone of your post.

+1 There's a current thread talking about inbound glare and reduction methods, not to mention their use in not letting people beyond the muzzle see the red-tinted glint. There's even a comment hating on the killflash in the soldiersystems article, but I have not before today heard anything especially bad about them. Hell, I keep them on when I add a clipon to my systems so am not even worried about light transmission. 

I'm really hoping my unit gets these- while Team Leaders and up get ACOGs our joes are rocking CompM's, about half of which are lacking spacers and a lot of the other half are missing battery caps / deadlined. I can't for the life of me figure out why an Infantry unit with M4A1's, M240L's, PEQ15's, and PVS14's has almost no functional CCO's. Since bitching about it and filling out countless 2404's hasn't fixed any in the 4 years I've been there, getting new M68's is pretty much the only way I can see the issue being addressed. 

kaltesherz - 2404s won't do much for you unless your supply sergeant is OK with turning them in. They have to be code F or code H (basically, nonfunctioning but repairable or nonfunctioning/nonrepairable), and then you'll have to turn them in to your supporting SSA for disposition. It sounds like most of yours are code F. Turning them in will get them off your books and as long as you're MTOE-authorized CCOs you can have your PBO request replacements against them.

Actually, you often can.  It will have to be added to your unit property book, but (quite a while ago, now that I think about it) I have picked up items from DRMO and added them to the unit property book, and had them hand-receipted to me.

Plasticmag can verify if that is still kosher.  However, turning in the broken crap is the right way to start.  Unfortunately, with limited time on drill weekends, it can be hard to get to everything that needs doing.  

Tankersteve

tankersteve posted:

Actually, you often can.  It will have to be added to your unit property book, but (quite a while ago, now that I think about it) I have picked up items from DRMO and added them to the unit property book, and had them hand-receipted to me.

Plasticmag can verify if that is still kosher.  However, turning in the broken crap is the right way to start.  Unfortunately, with limited time on drill weekends, it can be hard to get to everything that needs doing.  

Tankersteve

Yep, it still has to get added to the property book. Generally, DRMO equipment (now renamed to DLA Disposition Services if you're looking them up) is easy to get. I used to walk into the warehouse both on FtCKY and here on JBLM, identify what I wanted, do up the paperwork with my supply team, and then take it to PBO. Once PBO blesses off on it it's on your books (which made sense for some stuff, like ear pro, but less so for Crye knee pads). That being said, the warehouse on JBLM shouldn't have optics - those are earmarked for turn in through the SSAs back to depot. I'm also not sure what challenges you'll face getting equipment from big Army as a guard unit. That's just out of my lane.

That being said, if your PBO requests new optics as replacements for the turned-in CCOs (because a good CDR and PBO shouldn't allow an excess of property items while broken ones are just sitting in the arms room), they'll come from the depot the same as if they would through DRMO channels to the LE agencies.

You're guard, are your PBO, S4, and supply sergeants AGR positions? Generally they'll work full time to sustain the unit, if so then getting the ball in motion one weekend is an easy thing to do - it's just getting the buy-in that's hard. If you can convince your CO or XO to make property management a priority then it's an easier fight (and who wants to be signed for broken, useless crap!?).

 

SPDSNYPR posted:

I was seriously under the impression that the Army was leaning toward an ACOG variant. RCO-ish even.  Guess I got bad gouge. 

 This isn't for a new family of optics - this is to replace existing CompM variants.

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You're guard, are your PBO, S4, and supply sergeants AGR positions? Generally they'll work full time to sustain the unit, if so then getting the ball in motion one weekend is an easy thing to do - it's just getting the buy-in that's hard. If you can convince your CO or XO to make property management a priority then it's an easier fight (and who wants to be signed for broken, useless crap!?).

 

My supply sgt is AGR, but next to useless. Scratch that, he is useless. I've talked to my CO, XO, and PL about this issue before. AT is coming up so I'll try to get someone motivated again, but this is beyond ridiculous. Almost every joe is qualifying on BUIS, yet no one seems to care about their shitty scores because technically they're still qualified. Not to mention we're transitioning to Strykers and severely understaffed (most fire teams are down to 2).

But still, every M4A1 should have a functioning CCO, it's not asking for a lot. 

 

I hate to say it, but you need the buy in of leadership. If you have a slackjawed supply SGT, without the CO approving the turn-in and the PBO working it you're not going to get very far, unless...

If your S4 team is good, and you trust them, you can go to them discretely with the S/Ns of the bad optics, explain the situation, and ask for disposition on the optics. Not sure if your S4s can enroll the items in the system for turn in or not, but if they work it with the PBO then you don't need leadership involvement. Your supply SGT will be forced to turn them in.

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Your supply SGT will be forced to turn them in because all transactions are now tracked in the Decision Support Tool by big Army. DST spans active, guard, and reserve, and puts suspenses in the system to hold units accountable. Units which bust suspense are tracked and discussed to the BN and CO level.

Once you've divested them (if that works), point out the MTOE shortage and ask for a replenishment through your leadership by e-mail. Not sure where you stand in the heirarchy but I'd get your 1SG to push that requirement to your CO and XO.

If that fails, or isn't workable, I've got a well-used paddle that you can borrow. Been there, done that on so many things.

I've never seen one fail.  I am unfamiliar with the term .308 gasser.  The 7.62 NATO weapons we issue (M240s, M110s,MK48s) generally get purpose specific optics like an M145 MGO (Machine Gun Optic, ELCAN/ACOG) or a variable power scope.  I've seen M68s on M-249s 5.56mm SAWs without issue.  You just need to make sure you hear three clicks and inspect the optic to make sure nothing comes lose.   

I'm sure some of our other LF brothers can probably give you come better info.

cd228 posted:

I've never seen one fail.  I am unfamiliar with the term .308 gasser.  The 7.62 NATO weapons we issue (M240s, M110s,MK48s) generally get purpose specific optics like an M145 MGO (Machine Gun Optic, ELCAN/ACOG) or a variable power scope.  I've seen M68s on M-249s 5.56mm SAWs without issue.  You just need to make sure you hear three clicks and inspect the optic to make sure nothing comes lose.   

I'm sure some of our other LF brothers can probably give you come better info.

I mean something like an SR25. They are so light I'm setting one up like a 5.56 gun. 

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